TNF Discussion: Lions at Chiefs - Wk1

[nobody 2,674]

I don't know why so many people are riled up about that tackle on the chiefs lining up too deep and getting off a hair early.  Tackles do that all the time.

Actually, I guess I do.  Collinsworth kept calling it out, but a lot of guys do just that.

[Ray_T 753]

35 minutes ago, show me the murray said:

Pffft. Montgomery was plodding and slow. He picked up some first downs but without the touchdown it’s a woefully inefficient performance. 

 

I dont know that last TD drive, he literally ran over would be tacklers.    a couple of real impressive runs there.   and he seemd to get the yards needed in short yardage situations

Not a bad performance.   he was the RB2 I thought hed be.

[GobbleDog 997]

46 minutes ago, show me the murray said:

Pffft. Montgomery was plodding and slow. He picked up some first downs but without the touchdown it’s a woefully inefficient performance. 

As a Gibbs owner I’m optimistic after that game.

I thought Monty looked fresh with more bounce than expected and good vision. Just my unbiased view, since I don't have Monty or Gibbs in any leagues. 

I think Gibbs will be ok with lots of receptions and yards... Tds is where you're really going to hate Monty. Along with a bigger split of carries than you'd like. But if Monty is plodding, slow and woefully inefficient, then the coaches will give Gibbs more work and you've got nothing to worry about.

[Ray_T 753]

4 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I thought Monty looked fresh with more bounce than expected and good vision. Just my unbiased view, since I don't have Monty or Gibbs in any leagues. 

I think Gibbs will be ok with lots of receptions and yards... Tds is where you're really going to hate Monty. Along with a bigger split of carries than you'd like. But if Monty is plodding, slow and woefully inefficient, then the coaches will give Gibbs more work and you've got nothing to worry about.

I figured there was a decent chance Gibbs puts up more receiving yards than rush yards, and I think that can still happen.   and the better Montgomery looks the more likely it does happen.

the dual threat is a good thing for detroit.  makes them harder to defend.   its just not ideal for fantasy owners.    But the lions want to win games.  they dont care about our fantasy teams.   and I would argue that is how it should be.

[kilroy69 1,251]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

I don't know why so many people are riled up about that tackle on the chiefs lining up too deep and getting off a hair early.  Tackles do that all the time.

Actually, I guess I do.  Collinsworth kept calling it out, but a lot of guys do just that.

I can tell you this 100%. If lining up a yard off the line and leaving early is allowed every single tackle in the league will be using this as a technique starting sunday. He was not leaving a hair early. He was literally leaving early every single time. I have watched football for 40 years and have never seen anything like it. It was blatant. I would guess he had somewhere around 25 false starts last night. 

[Ray_T 753]

leaving early is allowed if you are behind your half of the line of scrimage before the snap of the ball.

so if he is lined up a yard or a half yard behind the line he should be just fine so long as he does not cross the LOS before the offense moves.

I never actually saw what the commentator saw but in theory it should work well.   when I was a kid playing football one of my coaches had Blitzers doing that when the play clock was down to a second they'd start moving toward the line and would already have some built up speed by the time they hit the line (making it harder for O linemen to stop you)

so if the DT lines up a half yard off the line he can move early if he times it right he still wont be across the LOS before the snap.

as an offense the way you solve this is you dont snap the ball right at the end of the play clock so they cant easily time it.   You vary your snap count.

at the pro level I'd expect a lot of offenses do this anyways so in most cases that advantage is somewhat negated either way

[plasma george 62]

19 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

leaving early is allowed if you are behind your half of the line of scrimage before the snap of the ball.

so if he is lined up a yard or a half yard behind the line he should be just fine so long as he does not cross the LOS before the offense moves.

I never actually saw what the commentator saw but in theory it should work well.   when I was a kid playing football one of my coaches had Blitzers doing that when the play clock was down to a second they'd start moving toward the line and would already have some built up speed by the time they hit the line (making it harder for O linemen to stop you)

so if the DT lines up a half yard off the line he can move early if he times it right he still wont be across the LOS before the snap.

as an offense the way you solve this is you dont snap the ball right at the end of the play clock so they cant easily time it.   You vary your snap count.

at the pro level I'd expect a lot of offenses do this anyways so in most cases that advantage is somewhat negated either way

Didn't an Eagle do this in the SB, and got a lot of attention ?

Also, if someone else is in motion, that's 2 people moving at the snap, that's illegal formation.

[Gepetto 1,368]

7 players

Rules. The offense is required to set up a formation before a play, subject to several rules: The formation must have at least 7 players on the line of scrimmage.

[GobbleDog 997]

Officials should call every rule when they see it regardless of anything.  Ever hear "refs should keep whistles in their pocket on this final play" ? To heck with that. Rules don't change because of situation, or because they missed a call on one side so they give a pay-back foul, or ignore a rule because they didn't call it on the other team. Call all rules consistently, otherwise nobody knows what the rules are.

[kilroy69 1,251]

4 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Officials should call every rule when they see it regardless of anything.  Ever hear "refs should keep whistles in their pocket on this final play" ? To heck with that. Rules don't change because of situation, or because they missed a call on one side so they give a pay-back foul, or ignore a rule because they didn't call it on the other team. Call all rules consistently, otherwise nobody knows what the rules are.

This. Mahomes was not sacked once with him being allowed to do this. 

[GobbleDog 997]

Jared Goff vs Matt Stafford... sorry St. Brown

[nobody 2,674]

2 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I can tell you this 100%. If lining up a yard off the line and leaving early is allowed every single tackle in the league will be using this as a technique starting sunday. He was not leaving a hair early. He was literally leaving early every single time. I have watched football for 40 years and have never seen anything like it. It was blatant. I would guess he had somewhere around 25 false starts last night. 

I've seen guys do that alot.  Almost the exact same.

Of course, now they're going to tighten the screws on lining up that deep now that collinsworth called it out for 3 hours on national TV.

 

[kilroy69 1,251]

Just now, nobody said:

I've seen guys do that alot.  Almost the exact same.

Of course, now they're going to tighten the screws on lining up that deep now that collinsworth called it out for 3 hours on national TV.

 

I disagree. Collinsworth calling out a TACKLE for anything is unusual and it shows how much out of the norm it really was.  The last time we heard about a tackle this much it had to do with the blind side. That put hutchinson at a disadvantage and it showed in the statline. If it were a few times you could chalk it up to not seeing it. But for him to be doing it every single time. Like literally over 20 times last night and not have the nfl step in till he got a 3 second head start a yard off the line was absurd. 

[nobody 2,674]

I don't think he was false starting, but he was lining up too far back like a lot of guys do.

That false start they called though was only because he flinched.  It wasn't because he was doing what he was doing all game.

[nobody 2,674]

By the way, if he was getting so much earlier than the snap, why didn't the lions defenders just key off of him instead of the ball to get a jump on all the other linemen?