Fascist attacks on Individuals and Speech

[jonmx 2,457]

13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Before I address this - again “Anarchists” are to the far right of Libertarians. They object to all government.

I don't believe in the left/right spectrum so much as the authoritarianism versus a free society.  Communists, Fascist are the exact same thing, elitist authoritarian bastards who want all the power and wealth to be centralized and controlled by them.  Objecting to all government and law is an absurdity that is not even worthy of discussing.   It is the absence of government and society.  

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2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I don't believe in the left/right spectrum so much as the authoritarianism versus a free society.  Communists, Fascist are the exact same thing, elitist authoritarian bastards who want all the power and wealth to be centralized and controlled by them.  Objecting to all government and law is an absurdity that is not even worthy of discussing.   It is the absence of government and society.  

Well then Anarchists are in the upper corner of that anti-authoritarian  quadrant. However Libertarians are in that same quadrant.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well then Anarchists are in the upper corner of that anti-authoritarian  quadrant. However Libertarians are in that same quadrant.

Antifa are not anarchists.   They are Communists fighting against Fascist, which i see as ridiculously stupid since the end result is identical.   That is why they sound like incoherent idiots when they talk. 

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8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

2020 liberal rioters were right wingers

The specific group highlighted by CNN in that 2017 report were anarchists. Anarchists oppose authoritarianism. Hard core socialists & communists seek greater authority for social ends. Two totally different things.

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Just now, jonmx said:

Antifa are not anarchists.   They are Communists fighting against Fascist, which i see as ridiculously stupid since the end result is identical. 

You posted the 2017 CNN piece, thats where that came from. 

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You posted the 2017 CNN piece, thats where that came from. 

I posted as an example of their violence roots which continue to this day.   The spin CNN puts on it has no bearing on how I view them.  You just needed some source to prove the sky is blue. 

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18 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I posted as an example of their violence roots which continue to this day.   The spin CNN puts on it has no bearing on how I view them.  You just needed some source to prove the sky is blue. 

It’s street violence from 8 years ago. Terrorists are global organizations engaged in warfare with nations. I gave you an attempt by islamists to foment a military attack across 2 NATO nations from the past month & your example is street fighting in Charlottesville from 8 years ago, against btw actual neonazis.

ETA, also there? Neonazis. Actual (& I’m sure you’ll agree) FASCISTS.

It’s kind of a headscratcher that the people in that confrontation in that video we’re supposed to be worried about are not the actual fascists (hint, it’s a thread about fascism), but the people who went out to oppose them.

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It is kind of funny. Comey, Republican. Wray, Republican. Mueller, Republican. Senate report, Republican majority. You could just look at purely Republican sources & entirely avoid journalism on the subject altogether.

republican or democrat.  makes no difference.  If a named source is not provided for a story I dismiss it.  "unnamed sources" are just an excuse to write political opinionated drivel or outright lies.  Most tend to believe anonymous sources so long as they fall in line with their ideology.  I don't but you do you.

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9 minutes ago, shadrap said:

republican or democrat.  makes no difference.  If a named source is not provided for a story I dismiss it.  "unnamed sources" are just an excuse to write political opinionated drivel or outright lies.  Most tend to believe anonymous sources so long as they fall in line with their ideology.  I don't but you do you.

I was just referring you to non-journalism reports by Republicans with named sources in them.

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37 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The specific group highlighted by CNN in that 2017 report were anarchists. Anarchists oppose authoritarianism. Hard core socialists & communists seek greater authority for social ends. Two totally different things.

What authoritarian government took over the US in 2020? And antifa and the liberals decided they were right in destroying innocent people's lives and that's not worth calling an insurrection?  But a short selfiefest is? 

You are so lost and can't speak about reality. 

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27 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What authoritarian government took over the US in 2020? And antifa and the liberals decided they were right in destroying innocent people's lives and that's not worth calling an insurrection?  But a short selfiefest is? 

You are so lost and can't speak about reality. 

I’m lost in the sense I’m not sure what you’re referring to. The video Jon posted is from 8/19/17.

[jonmx 2,457]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m lost in the sense I’m not sure what you’re referring to. The video Jon posted is from 8/19/17.

I'm seriously lost that you are not aware of the massive amount of violent protests that antifa has been involved in.  I realease there is a media blackout and the CIA/FBI avoids procesecution, but you seriously are not aware of sll the violence they are directly involved with.  The real shocker will be when it is disclosed that the group has CIA fingerprints all over it.   But I suppose you believe the official narrative the Antifa is just a figment of the rights imagination which is the BS narrative that the media and even big tech pushes upon the masses.   I guess you are under the delusion the media tells the whole story.

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I'm seriously lost that you are not aware of the massive amount of violent protests that antifa has been involved in.  I release there is a media blackout and the CIA/FBI avoids procesecution, but you seriously are not aware of sll the violence they are directly involved with.  The real shocker will be when it is disclosed that the group has CIA fingerprints all over it.   But I suppose you believe the official narrative the Antifa is just a figment of the rights imagination which is the BS narrative that the media and even big tech pushes upon the masses.  

Jon all I did was give you an example of actual classic terrorism from *this month, & I asked you to give me a comp from antifa and you presented an example from 2017 where anarchists organized to fight Nazis who are actual - & I’m sure you will agree - fascists. And I’m told in a thread about fascism that the government should be controlling the people who showed up to fight actual fascists but not the fascists.

But I’m glad to reset. Is there another example of actual ‘terrorism’ of the sort we’ve been at actual war with since the 90s?

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Jon all I did was give you an example of actual classic terrorism from *this month, & I asked you to give me a comp from antifa and you presented an example from 2017 where anarchists organized to fight Nazis who are actual - & I’m sure you will agree - fascists. And I’m told in a thread about fascism that the government should be controlling the people who showed up to fight actual fascists but not the fascists.

But I’m glad to reset. Is there another example of actual ‘terrorism’ of the sort we’ve been at actual war with since the 90s?

Antifa is in Portland all summer and have seiged an ICE field office there.  They rammed in the door,  burned flags, and have continuously attacked and injured officers with pepper spray, rocks and bricks.

https://www.newsweek.com/portland-protest-outside-ice-facility-sees-multiple-people-arrested-10868665

According to Democrats these people don't exist. 

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Facebook is a private company and can do what it wants, amirite?

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Facebook is a private company and can do what it wants, amirite?

Maybe they wanted to not be dooshes and removed a threatening group/page.  Your constant attempts to score gotchas are tiring and make you look like an 11 year old.  An 11 year old with Autism.

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Maybe they wanted to not be dooshes and removed a threatening group/page.  

So kinda like when Twitter wanted to remove illegal nonconsensual naked photos, I agree. 

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24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So kinda like when Twitter wanted to remove illegal nonconsensual naked photos, I agree. 

You are the one who believes twitter. 

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6 hours ago, jonmx said:

Antifa is in Portland all summer and have seiged an ICE field office there.  They rammed in the door,  burned flags, and have continuously attacked and injured officers with pepper spray, rocks and bricks.

https://www.newsweek.com/portland-protest-outside-ice-facility-sees-multiple-people-arrested-10868665

According to Democrats these people don't exist. 

>>Demonstrators gathered outside the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility in Portland on Sunday clashed with federal agents in a protest against the Trump administration’s agenda.<<
 

>>The protest began in the South Waterfront area, where activists calling for the abolition of ICE and denouncing recent federal actions have held near-nightly demonstrations since the summer.

Footage on social media shows federal officers detaining individuals outside the ICE facility in Portland, with some tackled into the mud as they resisted, though the exact number of arrests has not been confirmed.

The Portland Police Bureau said it has made 49 arrests in the South Waterfront area since nightly protests began in early June.

In a news release published on October 12, the bureau said it had made no arrests that day. … <<

What am I missing here? 49 arrests over 135 days, or a little more than 1 every 3 days. Nothing about bricks or rocks or pepper spray.

But even so, even if that is happening (& forget the behavior of federal security forces) that’s not comparable to acts of war - exploding skyscrapers, devastated naval ships, missiles fired at oil tankers, embassies bombed, hostages taken, airliners hijacked, drones aimed at heads of state, mortar shells fired at official buildings (the IRA once did this to try to kill the Queen), armed insurgencies, hotel massacres, downed airliners, bank heists, IEDs & armed holy warriors attacking civilians & military bases etc that we see from actual terrorists. So what should we call such people now, super hyper really serious extra mean terrorists?

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18 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Today in OpSec, what is it? — EXCLUSIVE ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape.

I guess the thread on this got nuked?

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51 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I guess the thread on this got nuked?

Yes.  I've had 2 threads get nuked this week.  They don't want us talking negative about the right.  Be warned.

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5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

They don't want us talking negative about the right.  Be warned.

This isn’t true. It’s the veracity of what you posted 

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

This isn’t true. It’s the veracity of what you posted 

The Young Republicans appear to believe it’s real as they’ve asked everyone involved to resign. Several of the five have apologized as well.

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4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

This isn’t true. It’s the veracity of what you posted 

I posted the article from Politico.  People have already been fired.  There is high confidence that the article is true.  Even if it's not, we should be able to debate that.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I guess the thread on this got nuked?

I guess so. A little on the nose, I suppose.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I guess so. A little on the nose, I suppose.

The "Guess dey color" thread is still here and active.

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15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes.  I've had 2 threads get nuked this week.  They don't want us talking negative about the right.  Be warned.

The frequency of threads being deleted seems to be picking up, I wonder if Mike has had more help recently.  @WhiteWonder maybe?

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

The frequency of threads being deleted seems to be picking up, I wonder if Mike has had more help recently.  @WhiteWonder maybe?

There were 3 chicago threads deleted last week.  We can't talk about chicago either.

[jonmx 2,457]

8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

>>Demonstrators gathered outside the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility in Portland on Sunday clashed with federal agents in a protest against the Trump administration’s agenda.<<
 

>>The protest began in the South Waterfront area, where activists calling for the abolition of ICE and denouncing recent federal actions have held near-nightly demonstrations since the summer.

Footage on social media shows federal officers detaining individuals outside the ICE facility in Portland, with some tackled into the mud as they resisted, though the exact number of arrests has not been confirmed.

The Portland Police Bureau said it has made 49 arrests in the South Waterfront area since nightly protests began in early June.

In a news release published on October 12, the bureau said it had made no arrests that day. … <<

What am I missing here? 49 arrests over 135 days, or a little more than 1 every 3 days. Nothing about bricks or rocks or pepper spray.

But even so, even if that is happening (& forget the behavior of federal security forces) that’s not comparable to acts of war - exploding skyscrapers, devastated naval ships, missiles fired at oil tankers, embassies bombed, hostages taken, airliners hijacked, drones aimed at heads of state, mortar shells fired at official buildings (the IRA once did this to try to kill the Queen), armed insurgencies, hotel massacres, downed airliners, bank heists, IEDs & armed holy warriors attacking civilians & military bases etc that we see from actual terrorists. So what should we call such people now, super hyper really serious extra mean terrorists?

Oh get the f u c k out of here.   Only bricks.  The retarded left told us the J6 protestors tried to over throw the government with a flagpole.  Let's not be retarded and pretend bricks are not far more lethal than a flagpole. 

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3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Oh get the f u c k out of here.   Only bricks.  The retarded left told us the J6 protestors tried to over throw the government with a flagpole.  Let's not be retarded and pretend bricks are not far more lethal than a flagpole. 

So you think Katie Daviscourt of the Post Millenial is being overly dramatic about walking into a flagpole?

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7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Oh get the f u c k out of here.   Only bricks.  The retarded left told us the J6 protestors tried to over throw the government with a flagpole.  Let's not be retarded and pretend bricks are not far more lethal than a flagpole. 

All right, let’s say there were actual bricks used and just say I agree with you (even though it’s not referenced in the article you linked).

If your term for protestors using bricks are terrorists, what do you call groups on a par with Al Qaeda, Isis, Hamas, islamists firing drones & missiles, etc.?

[TimHauck 3,243]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The "Guess dey color" thread is still here and active.

I believe Ed’s other racist bait thread about what to call African Americans was deleted though 

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The group chat members spoke freely about the pressure to cow to Trump to avoid being called a RINO, the love of Nazis within their party’s right wing and the president’s alleged work to suppress documents related to wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s child sex crimes.<<

~ If only there was some way to figure out who the fascists are.

[TimHauck 3,243]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

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The group chat members spoke freely about the pressure to cow to Trump to avoid being called a RINO, the love of Nazis within their party’s right wing and the president’s alleged work to suppress documents related to wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s child sex crimes.<<

~ If only there was some way to figure out who the fascists are.

The popular defense I’m seeing on social media of these idiots is to call them “college kids.”  But many are 30+ and have actual government positions

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The popular defense I’m seeing on social media of these idiots is to call them “college kids.”  But many are 30+ and have actual government positions

I've said a lot of dumb things when I was younger too, but I was never in a political position of power.

We should expect better from our elected officials.