University presidents won’t condemn antisemitism

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

“From the River to the Sea” is a controversial phrase which I disagree with because it means the end or destruction of the State of Israel to be replaced by a Palestinian state. But it does not mean the genocide of the Jewish people ala the Holocaust, and the fact that people are conflating the two meanings is lazy and leads to a lot of bad assumptions. 
 

It’s important to note, as context, that the largest part of the current Israeli government, the Likud party, (of which Netanyahu is a lifelong member) has a very similar chant as part of its charter: “from the river to the sea Israeli sovereignty”: in other words, a greater Israel over the whole of Palestine, which reasonable Palestinians can and do regard as calling for the genocide of the Palestinian people. Again this is a lazy assumption. But you can see the confusion. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

What's pathetic is you not understanding what cancel culture is.  Cancel culture is when someone has done nothing wrong and they lose their job or otherwise their life gets upended.  When, in the course of doing your official job such as representing your school while testifying in front of congress you hurt the reputation of your organization, there is nothing wrong with being held accountable for those actions.  Huge difference that goes way over your mental midget head.

Your definition of cancel culture “when someone has done nothing wrong” is unlikely. Though there have been some notable instances when somebody is unjustly canceled, in most cases the canceling was well deserved. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Does this resignation of the Penn antisemite put pressure on the other two now?

[MDC 7,127]

29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

“From the River to the Sea” is a controversial phrase which I disagree with because it means the end or destruction of the State of Israel to be replaced by a Palestinian state. But it does not mean the genocide of the Jewish people ala the Holocaust, and the fact that people are conflating the two meanings is lazy and leads to a lot of bad assumptions. 
 

It’s all part of the establishment’s plan to conflate any criticism of Israel with support of Hamas. Both major parties and the GC are pushing that narrative hard.

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

It’s all part of the establishment’s plan to conflate any criticism of Israel with support of Hamas. Both major parties and the GC are pushing that narrative hard.

Yes I know. I generally support the establishment but this is unfortunate. 
However I don’t think there is any “plan”. It’s an emotional, almost instinctual reaction to what happened in October, built up over many many years. Theres no deliberate scheme. It’s also, IMO, part of the right’s larger yearning for both moral clarity and an almost Calvinistic desire to condemn anyone who doesn’t view things in the same black and white fashion. 

[RLLD 4,143]

28 minutes ago, MDC said:

It’s all part of the establishment’s plan to conflate any criticism of Israel with support of Hamas. Both major parties and the GC are pushing that narrative hard.

Sorta like criticizing transgenderism means one is a transphobe, or criticizing Muslims means you are an islamaphobe or cruising historically disenfranchised groups means you are racist

I guess that tactic is bad now?

[Reality 3,096]

6 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Nice to see SNL ridiculed that annoying twat senator Karen and this whole thing. F@ck cancel culture.

Good God, just watched it. Pathetic.

 

 

[MDC 7,127]

19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Sorta like criticizing transgenderism means one is a transphobe, or criticizing Muslims means you are an islamaphobe or cruising historically disenfranchised groups means you are racist

I guess that tactic is bad now?

Cruising historically disenfranchised groups just makes you a John.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

What's pathetic is you not understanding what cancel culture is.  Cancel culture is when someone has done nothing wrong and they lose their job or otherwise their life gets upended.  When, in the course of doing your official job such as representing your school while testifying in front of congress you hurt the reputation of your organization, there is nothing wrong with being held accountable for those actions.  Huge difference that goes way over your mental midget head.

You don’t like her political beliefs or what she had to say, so you wanted her destroyed.

It’s the same thing, big fella  

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Cruising historically disenfranchised groups just makes you a John.  

Right, I did not actually expect you to acknowledge it, but it seemed useful to highlight your hypocrisy.

to be fair, I think this correlation between river to the sea and genocide is a bit flimsy, JMHO

Do the Palestinian people want genocide for Jews….yes, I am certain they do. Does Israel want that for Palestinians? I am sure some of them do, I probably would too if some group was bent on atrocity….bit it does not define Israel as it does Palestine

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Does this resignation of the Penn antisemite put pressure on the other two now?

Yes, you should cancel them as well 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s ironic that they’ve embraced cancel culture, and don’t even recognize it

It’s ironic that the left has embraced oligarchs, corporations and the war machine and don’t even recognize it. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Yes, you should cancel them as well 

As I stated already, I do not support the cancellation….you are projecting again.

Moreover, you actively ignored the question.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes, you should cancel them as well 

They got canceled by their benefactors. And you don’t even recognize it. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s ironic that the left has embraced oligarchs, corporations and the war machine and don’t even recognize it. 

1 & 2 are you.

3 is a decent point. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine (which you support, going back to #1)  

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right, I did not actually expect you to acknowledge it, but it seemed useful to highlight your hypocrisy.

I just bothered to look it up. Among my tens of thousands of posts, I have never once called anyone here a transphobe or an Islamophobe. I have called out obvious racism when I’ve seen it. 

Nice try though.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

As I stated already, I do not support the cancellation….you are projecting again.

Moreover, you actively ignored the question.

Okay that’s fair, but in asking the question it seems like you’re implying the other two should be cancelled as well, since the Penn president was?

Saying I “actively ignored the question” is also weird — it seems like you’re saying I’m dodging it or something? Like I have some obligation to support or defend their firing??

[Ron_Artest 1,057]

It's been so odd watching conservatives turn into cancel culture Karen's about Israel, calling everyone antisemites, etc.  the same way the left went insane years ago after George Floyd 

[Reality 3,096]

When you can't answer such a simple question that only has 1 answer, you aren't equipped to represent a place of higher learning.

Calling it cancel culture is stupid.

 

[Reality 3,096]

This seems bad.

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

When you can't answer such a simple question that only has 1 answer, you aren't equipped to represent a place of higher learning.

Calling it cancel culture is stupid.

 

People got canceled for, what, being insufficiently supportive of the trans agenda and the like?

Well this lady just got canceled for being insufficiently supportive of the Zionist cause.

It’s the same thing, bud  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

Same clowns that love Schiff and Raskin are Butthurt about Stefanik asking ground ball questions. Lol. 

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

48 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Sorta like criticizing transgenderism means one is a transphobe, or criticizing Muslims means you are an islamaphobe or cruising historically disenfranchised groups means you are racist

I guess that tactic is bad now?

Except that you’re misapplying it. Let me show you how: 

1. Criticizing transgenederism doesn’t make you a homophobe, but if you spend a lot of your time obsessing about this issue like it’s one of the most important problems that our society faces, chances are you’re homophobic. 

2. Criticizing Muslims doesn’t make you an Islamophobe, but when you group them together and propose restrictive laws or immigration restrictions based on the religion of Islam then chances are you’re an Islamophobe. 

3. Criticizing historically disenfranchised groups doesn’t make you a racist, but when you start using skin color as a qualifier for negative behavior, chances are you are a racist. 
 

See the difference? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

Wasn’t the right that canceled Al Franken. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wasn’t the right that canceled Al Franken. 

Nobody said it was  

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

27 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

Do the Palestinian people want genocide for Jews….yes, I am certain they do.

This is a bigoted statement. There is no large group of peoples who uniformly want anything. It’s as idiotic as saying white people like mayonnaise. 
 

The majority of Palestinians want a greater Palestinian state in what is now Israel. But even that is not a universal attitude. And it doesn’t mean genocide. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Nobody said it was  

So it’s the left that are doing the cancelling yet you’re complaining about the right embracing it.  Seems all they did was ask a simple question. 

[MDC 7,127]

Didn’t the right cancel Bud Light and Disney?  

[RLLD 4,143]

26 minutes ago, MDC said:

I just bothered to look it up. Among my tens of thousands of posts, I have never once called anyone here a transphobe or an Islamophobe. I have called out obvious racism when I’ve seen it. 

Nice try though.  

Right, go with that

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Didn’t the right cancel Bud Light and Disney?  

No. They just didn’t buy the product. They don’t have the power to cancel anyone. Last I checked you can buy all the bud light you want. And go to Disney every day.  

[RLLD 4,143]

25 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Okay that’s fair, but in asking the question it seems like you’re implying the other two should be cancelled as well, since the Penn president was?

Saying I “actively ignored the question” is also weird — it seems like you’re saying I’m dodging it or something? Like I have some obligation to support or defend their firing??

Not exactly. I am wondering if the other two are feeling more pressure to do so. That’s all.

i bet they are a little cheesed off at the Penn woman since now it likely puts additional pressure on them.

i don’t think these people should be cancelled for making a mistake. But this is also pretty typical when you are in leadership.

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that you’re misapplying it. Let me show you how: 

1. Criticizing transgenederism doesn’t make you a homophobe, but if you spend a lot of your time obsessing about this issue like it’s one of the most important problems that our society faces, chances are you’re homophobic. 

2. Criticizing Muslims doesn’t make you an Islamophobe, but when you group them together and propose restrictive laws or immigration restrictions based on the religion of Islam then chances are you’re an Islamophobe. 

3. Criticizing historically disenfranchised groups doesn’t make you a racist, but when you start using skin color as a qualifier for negative behavior, chances are you are a racist. 
 

See the difference? 

You might not be as liberal as you think….

[Reality 3,096]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

What's pathetic is you not understanding what cancel culture is.  Cancel culture is when someone has done nothing wrong and they lose their job or otherwise their life gets upended.  When, in the course of doing your official job such as representing your school while testifying in front of congress you hurt the reputation of your organization, there is nothing wrong with being held accountable for those actions.  Huge difference that goes way over your mental midget head.

Yup, spot on. The people calling this cancel culture are complete idiots.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So it’s the left that are doing the cancelling yet you’re complaining about the right embracing it.  Seems all they did was ask a simple question. 

No, we’re pointing out your hypocrisy, dummy

[The Real timschochet 6,416]

I don’t like the answers the deans gave, but it wasn’t a simple question at all. For example: 

1. is “Death to all Jews!” hate speech? Yes and it shouldn’t be allowed on a college campus, and  anyone who says this should be expelled. 
 

2. is “From the River to the Sea” hate speech? No. It’s a radical political position, but it does NOT mean genocide and it should be publicly allowed. 
 

I suppose that in our current intolerant climate regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which in the last few months has become so reminiscent of the Red Scare in the early 1950s, I would have been fired too. 

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a bigoted statement. There is no large group of peoples who uniformly want anything. It’s as idiotic as saying white people like mayonnaise. 
 

The majority of Palestinians want a greater Palestinian state in what is now Israel. But even that is not a universal attitude. And it doesn’t mean genocide. 

No…it is not, and using that tactic is just lazy.

Having been on the ground and around these people o can tell you confidently it is accurate. And they won’t even hide it when you talk to them 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Not exactly. I am wondering if the other two are feeling more pressure to do so. That’s all.

i bet they are a little cheesed off at the Penn woman since now it likely puts additional pressure on them.

i don’t think these people should be cancelled for making a mistake. But this is also pretty typical when you are in leadership.

I think they’re hoping that the mob might feel like they got their pound of flesh and will wander off now. We shall see

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

I think they’re hoping that the mob might feel like they got their pound of flesh and will wander off now. We shall see

Yeah, that makes sense too. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

Yup, spot on. The people calling this cancel culture are complete idiots.

Gee that’s funny, HT was just saying the same thing!  

[MDC 7,127]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right, go with that

I found one instance of me using the word “transphobe” in a joking manner and zero of me calling anyone an Islamophobe. You’re welcome to set the record straight.