weepaws 3,157 Posted December 23, 2024 Thomas with another outstanding game, even with M Jones at the helm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted December 23, 2024 Of all the rookie WR's, Brian Thomas seems to be the only WR to be able to overcome a terrible QB on a bad team. At this point in time, Arizona, Chicago, and the Giants all screwed up with their top 10 pick. It's only Y1 though, so things can change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 608 Posted December 23, 2024 Nabers is going to have 100+ receptions and 1000+ yards with the worst offense in football. Try again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 149 Posted January 3 On 12/23/2024 at 1:03 PM, jrokh said: Nabers is going to have 100+ receptions and 1000+ yards with the worst offense in football. Try again... They both look elite, so this seems a little harsh of a reply. I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with TBayXXXVII, but I do here. Must be a NY thing to get defensive over nothing…and where are all the Jets fans that had so much to spew back before the season when a lot of us knew exactly what the Jets were going to be with a washed up, self centered QB that quit on his previous team? Hall at 1 or 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, JagFan said: They both look elite, so this seems a little harsh of a reply. I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with TBayXXXVII, but I do here. Must be a NY thing to get defensive over nothing…and where are all the Jets fans that had so much to spew back before the season when a lot of us knew exactly what the Jets were going to be with a washed up, self centered QB that quit on his previous team? Hall at 1 or 2 That just means you're wrong a lot. Good for you to be willing to admit that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 149 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: That just means you're wrong a lot. Good for you to be willing to admit that. I’ve been 100% correct every time I’ve disagreed with you. But I do admire how you stick to your guns… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 3 Just now, JagFan said: I’ve been 100% correct every time I’ve disagreed with you. But I do admire how you stick to your guns… What, the 2021 season where Brady played like a 45 year old and 24 year old Trevor Lawrence had the one year he didn't stink? Sure, you got that one right, but Lawrence is garbage and the Jags screwed up by giving him that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 740 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: What, the 2021 season where Brady played like a 45 year old and 24 year old Trevor Lawrence had the one year he didn't stink? Sure, you got that one right, but Lawrence is garbage and the Jags screwed up by giving him that deal. I wouldnt say hes garbage, but hes has not shown he deserves the money they are gonna be paying him. Garbage would imply he doesnt belong as a starter at the NFL level. I think hes better than that. but hes not the elite player he was supposed to be and the Jags paid for a star calibre QB and for the most part, Lawrence has not delivered on his end. There are reasons for this and not all are his fault but to some degree the organization has not done a very good job of putting him in a position to be successful either. To be clear, I'm not fully defending the guy. he has to take some of the responsibility too. But (like with Daniel Jones) The team didnt exactly help by putting him in a position to succeed either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, Ray_T said: I wouldnt say hes garbage, but hes has not shown he deserves the money they are gonna be paying him. Garbage would imply he doesnt belong as a starter at the NFL level. I think hes better than that. but hes not the elite player he was supposed to be and the Jags paid for a star calibre QB and for the most part, Lawrence has not delivered on his end. There are reasons for this and not all are his fault but to some degree the organization has not done a very good job of putting him in a position to be successful either. To be clear, I'm not fully defending the guy. he has to take some of the responsibility too. But (like with Daniel Jones) The team didnt exactly help by putting him in a position to succeed either. I see him in the same vein as Winston... tons of talent, just not enough upstairs. The football "IQ" may be there in the classroom, but it doesn't translate on field. At best, he's a backup, just like Winston. Honestly, I think Jason Licht lucked out on Winston. He brought in Arians who proved to the world that Winston isn't a starter and on top of that, by a miracle, Tom Brady became available. I think that the Bucs hired someone other than Arians to be the HC in 2019, Licht might have given Winston an extension. UGH!! The Jags should've just picked up his 5th year option and let things play out. If they did that, I think they approach this years draft with the possibility of drafting a QB. Now, I don't follow college football so I don't know how many QB's will be considered 1st round picks. But looking at the top 5, there legitimately should be 4 teams looking to draft a QB... but because one of them is Cleveland and another is Jacksonville, I think both Tennessee and the Giants will be in good shape to grab the guy they like... providing someone doesn't jump up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 740 Posted January 5 I'd say Winston is maybe an extreme example but Yeah I get what you are saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 149 Posted January 13 On 1/3/2025 at 10:49 AM, TBayXXXVII said: What, the 2021 season where Brady played like a 45 year old and 24 year old Trevor Lawrence had the one year he didn't stink? Sure, you got that one right, but Lawrence is garbage and the Jags screwed up by giving him that deal. I’m sure I don’t have to go into a long tirade about how bad coaching ruins good QB prospects. Or how the right situation / coaching staff can correct that. Mayfield comes to mind…. Trevor has flashed the talent, and I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 13 15 hours ago, JagFan said: I’m sure I don’t have to go into a long tirade about how bad coaching ruins good QB prospects. Or how the right situation / coaching staff can correct that. Mayfield comes to mind…. Trevor has flashed the talent, and I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. I completely agree that a QB/HC/OC match makes all the difference in the world. I just think that it's easier if the coach and HC find the right QB for their system than trying to figure out what kind of HC/OC you need to hire to fit the QB. It's why I said the Jags screwed up with the extension... they went with the second option not the first. He's the next Alex Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 740 Posted January 13 32 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I completely agree that a QB/HC/OC match makes all the difference in the world. I just think that it's easier if the coach and HC find the right QB for their system than trying to figure out what kind of HC/OC you need to hire to fit the QB. It's why I said the Jags screwed up with the extension... they went with the second option not the first. He's the next Alex Smith. I think the best coaches can put together a system that caters to the skillset of the player. thats a fact. coaches who come in with a system they are unwilling to modify to account for the skillset they have on offense are inferior. They usually only pan out when the talent on the roster is good or ideal for that system. If the QB is good enough he can overcome that even if the system is not ideal for his skillset. but I'd say that doesnt happen that often. maybe 25-30% of the time. even then, if you are not utilizing the full skillset of the player, you are leaving some meat on the bone. the bottom line: you want a good fit between coach, OC and QB and you need a line capable of protecting the QB long enough for him to get the ball away. if any of those dont work out, you can have issues. and when the QB is a rookie, they likely struggle to fit a square peg into a round hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,485 Posted January 14 14 hours ago, Ray_T said: I think the best coaches can put together a system that caters to the skillset of the player. thats a fact. coaches who come in with a system they are unwilling to modify to account for the skillset they have on offense are inferior. They usually only pan out when the talent on the roster is good or ideal for that system. If the QB is good enough he can overcome that even if the system is not ideal for his skillset. but I'd say that doesnt happen that often. maybe 25-30% of the time. even then, if you are not utilizing the full skillset of the player, you are leaving some meat on the bone. the bottom line: you want a good fit between coach, OC and QB and you need a line capable of protecting the QB long enough for him to get the ball away. if any of those dont work out, you can have issues. and when the QB is a rookie, they likely struggle to fit a square peg into a round hole. Agree completely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
