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Dynasty: Malik Nabers is better than Marvin Harrison Jr

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It's early to be talking rookies, but it has to be said. 

I've watched a lot of both and what I see is Nabers with elite short area quickness, elite run after catch, and elite separation.  Then I watch Marvin Harrison and I see a guy with an elite release, but doesn't really get separation, doesn't get any YAC because every catch he makes is with a guy within a yard of him, and then he immediately goes down because he doesn't want to get hurt.

If his name wasn't Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers would be the number 1 receiver in this draft.  

As an aside, I like that other Ohio St receiver a lot... Emeka Egbuka.  That guy can run a route.

I'd rank them:

Nabers, MHJ, Odunze, Egbuka.  

I like receivers with size that can get open.  That's what the NFL is about these days.

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For me, a lot will factor on where these guys land and the QB situation.  I’d agree that Nabors could be the best of the group.

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I have them at 1a and 1b. The only 2 In my tier 1.

Egbuka is in my tier 2 with Odunze. The only 2 in my tier 2.

Tier 3 is the one that's really jumbled up, and seems fluid at the moment.  The big question for me coming up is. Would I want to bypass Bowers for anyone in that tier 3?

 

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2 hours ago, JagFan said:

For me, a lot will factor on where these guys land and the QB situation.  I’d agree that Nabors could be the best of the group.

Normally I would agree, but Q. Johnson makes me hesitant to put too much stock in the QB.

After Mike Williams went down, I thought Johnson would be the best rookie WR in 2023 in large part because of Herbert and playing opposite Allen, but I missed big time on that one.

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24 minutes ago, makindollaz said:

Normally I would agree, but Q. Johnson makes me hesitant to put too much stock in the QB.

After Mike Williams went down, I thought Johnson would be the best rookie WR in 2023 in large part because of Herbert and playing opposite Allen, but I missed big time on that one.

I think the biggest issue is that none of will ever and can never, know how quickly they pickup and how well these guys learn, the playbook.  Knowing where and when to be at a spot is more important that actually catching the ball.  The QB will never throw it to a spot unless they believe the WR will be there.

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PFF has Nabers ranked #1 with a 93.3 grade and Harrison ranked 9th with an 89.9 grade, so hardly breaking news. Harrison does have 4 inches on him, so we'll see. The bloodline angle also helps Harrison's draft prospects, for better or worse. Combine will likely be the final arbiter (for the draft)...

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1 hour ago, jrokh said:

PFF has Nabers ranked #1 with a 93.3 grade and Harrison ranked 9th with an 89.9 grade, so hardly breaking news. Harrison does have 4 inches on him, so we'll see. The bloodline angle also helps Harrison's draft prospects, for better or worse. Combine will likely be the final arbiter (for the draft)...

I don't even look at PFF.  I remember reading some articles years ago saying that receiver from TCU named Josh Doctson and Corey Coleman were the best receivers when I was watching Michael Thomas and thinking why isn't he first.  Never read them since.

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think the biggest issue is that none of will ever and can never, know how quickly they pickup and how well these guys learn, the playbook.  Knowing where and when to be at a spot is more important that actually catching the ball.  The QB will never throw it to a spot unless they believe the WR will be there.

Quentin Johnson can't catch either.

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The weird thing is I keep seeing that he's some elite separator.

What I see is a guy that got open on a pick and a guy that got open by getting his body into a smaller DB and using his forearm to create separation instead of his footwork and then I see a guy who's absolutely blanketed by a receiver and uses elite body control to contort himself into position to make a great catch.  I guess he can be a back shoulder/slant specialist.  

Egbuka and guys like Ladd McConkey close space and use a sharp change of direction to get separation.  That translates to NFL.

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What did the coach say to Malik when he was arguing with the teammate standing next to him?

"Be good Nabers!"

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Just now, LaChup said:

What did the coach say to Malik when he was arguing with the teammate standing next to him?

"Be good Nabers!"

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I would listen to what Steve Smith says on this one.

I know he's rated the WR prospects sometimes in the past. He's made some unlikely calls too.

He said little known Cooper Kupp would be the best WR from the 2017 draft, despite being a 3rd round pick.

He said that Justin Jefferson was the best despite being the 5th WR taken in the loaded 2020 draft.

He was also one of the first to talk about Puka Nacua.

I would look for Steve's call on this one before next year's draft and take it seriously

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Steve Smith also said Jerry Jeudy was a tier 3 receiver. And he was right it turns out. You are onto something.

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8 hours ago, JagFan said:

For me, a lot will factor on where these guys land and the QB situation.  I’d agree that Nabors could be the best of the group.

if you're looking for a deciding factor between two guys you are torn on.... otherwise, we've seen plenty of receivers go to teams with big time QBs and it doesn't translate. We've also seen plenty of examples like Garrett Wilson looking amazing despite a ---- show QB situation. 

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4 hours ago, nobody said:

I don't even look at PFF.  I remember reading some articles years ago saying that receiver from TCU named Josh Doctson and Corey Coleman were the best receivers when I was watching Michael Thomas and thinking why isn't he first.  Never read them since.

Not really the point. You can take or leave PFF or whatever publication, the fact remains that major publications, including the one NFL Teams rely on (since they pay them for their data and analysis), already have Nabers ranked higher than Harrison...

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55 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Not really the point. You can take or leave PFF or whatever publication, the fact remains that major publications, including the one NFL Teams rely on (since they pay them for their data and analysis), already have Nabers ranked higher than Harrison...

Cool so I guess everyone agrees Nabers is better than Harrison.  My bad.

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On 12/27/2023 at 2:47 PM, nobody said:

Cool so I guess everyone agrees Nabers is better than Harrison.  My bad.

Wait.  Turns out everyone thinks Harrison is better than Nabers.  

It's always with the most dangerous of analysis.  He's just amazing.  He's a generational talent.  

The best I heard is that he has amazing body control which I agree with, but today's game is about getting open, and less about trying to make some amazing catch with a defender all over the receiver.

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6 hours ago, nobody said:

Wait.  Turns out everyone thinks Harrison is better than Nabers.  

It's always with the most dangerous of analysis.  He's just amazing.  He's a generational talent.  

The best I heard is that he has amazing body control which I agree with, but today's game is about getting open, and less about trying to make some amazing catch with a defender all over the receiver.

Soon we will know of the truth.  

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will either of them be available at #32?

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27 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

will either of them be available at #32?

Why? You have Kadarius Toney 

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47 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

will either of them be available at #32?

Unlikely either makes out of the top 10, unless they rank the 40

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