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Just now, RLLD said:

I want this to be the central message coming from Democrats this election season, please do encourage every candidate to make this emphatically their position....

In these hyperbolic times it would be a terrible, losing political message, as you well know. Nonetheless it’s true. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In these hyperbolic times it would be a terrible, losing political message, as you well know. Nonetheless it’s true. 

If it were true, it would not be a losing message.  The lived experiences are typically what liberals like to tout when metrics prove their positions are wrong....in this instance, it would seem that the lived experiences are something to be disregarded....

Still, by all means, keep telling people that things are great, and what they are living is not true.....do it.....

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t close my eyes to anything. I just think @TheNewGirl dramatically overstates California’s problems. Some of the issues she mentions are real, some are not. The problems we have that are real aren’t catastrophic. All of them are solvable. And the positives far outweigh the negatives. 

To make a larger observation: you MAGA types certainly have a dark view of America’s future. You guys need to breathe a little bit. Things aren’t that bad. 

Then why isn't Gavin solving them? I mean, the buck really stops with him when it comes to signing things into law. 

What issues "aren't real?" All of what I mentioned is literally happening. 

Why does Gavin keep asking for more money for homelessness, or passing bills that keep going softer and softer on criminals? Meanwhile, passing additional taxes on people who make over a certain amount? Those people just LEAVE because they can afford to. 

From whose perspective are they "not that bad?" YOURS? You literally own businesses and employ illegals. Of course they aren't bad to you. 

But tell that to the person who lost their job during covid, has four kids and works three part-time jobs. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

If it were true, it would not be a losing message.  The lived experiences are typically what liberals like to tout when metrics prove their positions are wrong....in this instance, it would seem that the lived experiences are something to be disregarded....

Still, by all means, keep telling people that things are great, and what they are living is not true.....do it.....

I never wrote that things were great. They are clearly not great right now. What I wrote is that they’re also not as terrible as Trump and his supporters are claiming, not catastrophic. That would be an awful campaign message but nonetheless true. 
 

The Biden team is wisely shifting their message from “look how great things are” to “look at Donald Trump”. That’s the way to win, and they will. 

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Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Then why isn't Gavin solving them? I mean, the buck really stops with him when it comes to signing things into law. 

What issues "aren't real?" All of what I mentioned is literally happening. 

Why does Gavin keep asking for more money for homelessness, or passing bills that keep going softer and softer on criminals? Meanwhile, passing additional taxes on people who make over a certain amount? Those people just LEAVE because they can afford to. 

From whose perspective are they "not that bad?" YOURS? You literally own businesses and employ illegals. Of course they aren't bad to you. 

But tell that to the person who lost their job during covid, has four kids and works three part-time jobs. 

Because it is politically expedient to ensure people are miserable.  

Newsome knows right from wrong, he knows how to fix the problem....but in fixing the problem he erodes the basis for Democrat power.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I never wrote that things were great. They are clearly not great right now. What I wrote is that they’re also not as terrible as Trump and his supporters are claiming, not catastrophic. That would be an awful campaign message but nonetheless true. 
 

The Biden team is wisely shifting their message from “look how great things are” to “look at Donald Trump”. That’s the way to win, and they will. 

Agree on this.  The bidenomics lie was doomed from the start, it was not the way to gaslight people, and I give Biden et al credit for shifting gears.

You know, he could easily do the same thing for immigration as well, I think they are just too afraid of their radicals to even consider protecting our border, even though its a political win...

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never wrote that things were great. They are clearly not great right now. What I wrote is that they’re also not as terrible as Trump and his supporters are claiming, not catastrophic. That would be an awful campaign message but nonetheless true. 
 

The Biden team is wisely shifting their message from “look how great things are” to “look at Donald Trump”. That’s the way to win, and they will. 

So, you even know it that the liberals are working hard to cover up their disastrous political philosophies and dealings and policies. And you are all in on it. 

Wow.   

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

LOL.  Why should this message only be coming from one side of the aisle?  

Because I only want gaslighting to come from Democrats, people have every right to be p!ssed, and I want to make it clear to as many voters as possible that Democrats are vicious liars who dont give the least fock about them.....espousing this economic nonsense is working already, hence their move away from it. Lipstick on a pig and what not

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If it were true, it would not be a losing message.  The lived experiences are typically what liberals like to tout when metrics prove their positions are wrong....in this instance, it would seem that the lived experiences are something to be disregarded....

Still, by all means, keep telling people that things are great, and what they are living is not true.....do it.....

I what you are saying here, but as usual you only apply it to one side of the aisle.   Both sides live on hyperbole.  Isn't the bolded basically what the 'bootstraps' tone the right always takes a lot?   People talking about their struggles and it's met with a shrug and "I did it, so can you".   

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Because I only want gaslighting to come from Democrats, people have every right to be p!ssed, and I want to make it clear to as many voters as possible that Democrats are vicious liars who dont give the least fock about them.....espousing this economic nonsense is working already, hence their move away from it. Lipstick on a pig and what not

I clarified a little more on an edit.  You are too quick.  

Honestly, how many politicians do you think the bolded applies to on either side of the aisle.   Very few GAF about much besides power, money, and getting reelected.  

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1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

I what you are saying here, but as usual you only apply it to one side of the aisle.   Both sides live on hyperbole.  Isn't the bolded basically what the 'bootstraps' tone the right always takes a lot?   People talking about their struggles and it's met with a shrug and "I did it, so can you".   

I am saying that the lying on the part of the Democrats, and the current White House, has been far beyond normal political chicanery....its been far worse than what has come before by any political set.....

They fomented these problems with deplorable policies and ideology, then they want to lie about it all. Its repugnant.

So.....I am eager to have as many people as possible see it.  And, because of their excessive behaviors....it is becoming more and more clear to people....

I see this as the best possible outcome for the average American, who is pointedly harmed by the Democrat policies

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9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I what you are saying here, but as usual you only apply it to one side of the aisle.   Both sides live on hyperbole. 

FFS.

A not working message works against the guy in charge how hard is that to understand.

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6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I clarified a little more on an edit.  You are too quick.  

Honestly, how many politicians do you think the bolded applies to on either side of the aisle.   Very few GAF about much besides power, money, and getting reelected.  

I think all politicians are inclined to self interest, the media used to hold them accountable.  Now, the media only holds Republicans to account, and the net result is behaviors of Democrats have become far worse....

So without the restraints once derived from media action, we now have a side of the aisle that can get away with extravagant self benefit without accountability.  So yeah, that tends to bother me more than the usual fare has in the past. 

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am saying that the lying on the part of the Democrats, and the current White House, has been far beyond normal political chicanery....its been far worse than what has come before by any political set.....

They fomented these problems with deplorable policies and ideology, then they want to lie about it all. Its repugnant.

So.....I am eager to have as many people as possible see it.  And, because of their excessive behaviors....it is becoming more and more clear to people....

I see this as the best possible outcome for the average American, who is pointedly harmed by the Democrat policies

Ah, there's more of that hyperbole this site loves.   I don't agree with tim on much, but you all really do need to take a deep breath.   

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

Ah, there's more of that hyperbole this site loves.   I don't agree with tim on much, but you all really do need to take a deep breath.   

You make hyperbole out of your use of the word hyperbole. You are out of your mind. Same with you liberals always crying "Straw Man!!! Straw Man!!"

I gotta say, you liberal democrats really need more than just a "deep breath". You need either some deep probing mental therapy or a long long long vacation in some remote part of the world. 

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

Ah, there's more of that hyperbole this site loves.   I don't agree with tim on much, but you all really do need to take a deep breath.   

Not hyperbole.   Is there any question that Republicans are being held to account for their actions?  Can you honestly say that the same is true for Democrats?

The disparity in treatment by the media, not even yet including the DOJ, is apparent.  A reasonable person would look at it and see it. 

More and more average people are seeing it.  The unabated behaviors of Democrats are ensuring this, and we can see it happening.  So yeah, I am totally supportive of Democrat gaslighting.

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

You make hyperbole out of your use of the word hyperbole.

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7 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Then why isn't Gavin solving them? I mean, the buck really stops with him when it comes to signing things into law. 

What issues "aren't real?" All of what I mentioned is literally happening. 

Why does Gavin keep asking for more money for homelessness, or passing bills that keep going softer and softer on criminals? Meanwhile, passing additional taxes on people who make over a certain amount? Those people just LEAVE because they can afford to. 

From whose perspective are they "not that bad?" YOURS? You literally own businesses and employ illegals. Of course they aren't bad to you. 

But tell that to the person who lost their job during covid, has four kids and works three part-time jobs. 

Good questions: 

1. I’m not a fan of Gavin Newsom. Bright guy but far too slick. Not creative enough by half. Still, I don’t believe that he has the ability to truly solve most of the issues you stated. That takes long term planning and action. 

2. I don’t think schools are terrible, I don’t think crimes are terrible. Both are vast overstatements. Our public schools could be improved; crime in the two main cities could be lessened. Neither is a catastrophe. 

3. We have a lot of homeless people here because the weather is warm. Homelessness represents a real problem mostly because it’s an eyesore that hurts retail businesses. So I have no objection to Newsom or anyone else asking for more money to deal with this. I do however object to his solutions which are t creative. I was a supporter of Rick Caruso who had creative solutions to this issue; I wish he had been elected mayor: 

3. I believe in reforming the criminal justice system. I believe in many of the reforms that liberal district attorneys are trying to enact (though not all.) I disagree with the conservative argument that this is leading to more crime. Crime is a function of socio-economic conditions and not the result of more or less punishment. That of course is a liberal POV of which I am one so we’ll have to disagree. But I don’t believe you can ever provide a direct statistical  correlation between judicial reform and increased crime levels. 

4. Yes I’m fortunate to own businesses (in truth my family owns them and I manage them on their behalf.) It’s a misnomer that I employ illegals- I hire day laborers once or twice a year for a few hours at most. I don’t think either of these points has any bearing on the rightness or wrongness of my positions.) 

5. I wouldn’t want to lecture the person you’re referring to. I know plenty of people who were really hurt during Covid. Life is tough and often unfair. During the worst months of Covid my company suspended rent for most of our tenants. Nobody forced us to do this (and most landlords didn’t) but we wanted to help them survive. 
 

In conclusion- I disagree with your premise that the problems California faces are mostly due to liberal policies. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I think all politicians are inclined to self interest, the media used to hold them accountable.  Now, the media only holds Republicans to account, and the net result is behaviors of Democrats have become far worse....

So without the restraints once derived from media action, we now have a side of the aisle that can get away with extravagant self benefit without accountability.  So yeah, that tends to bother me more than the usual fare has in the past. 

"the media" also includes Fox and all the legacy media on that side of the aisle.     Like I said, you all just see things as a dumpster fire on the left and sunshine, roses, and the truth on the right. Or most of you choose to post as though that's what you think.  It's f0cking bananas.  

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

"the media" also includes Fox and all the legacy media on that side of the aisle.     Like I said, you all just see things as a dumpster fire on the left and sunshine, roses, and the truth on the right. Or most of you choose to post as though that's what you think.  It's f0cking bananas.  

There is more validity to the Fox positions than those arising from the rest of the propaganda machine of Democrats, and of course Democrats themselves.  But Democrats do appear to understand their lies were hurting them more then helping, hence their pivot from pretending the economy was good....to" well, Trump is worse".    

So, you really can point to the Democrats own move away from the gaslighting, with media encouragement I might add, to see that they knew they were lying, they knew they were gaslighting...and they figured out that people were seeing it....so they are shifting...

I would prefer that this gaslighting continue.  It would then result in the potential removal of the very people causing the pain, and then people can get back to enjoying life more....

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not hyperbole.   Is there any question that Republicans are being held to account for their actions?  Can you honestly say that the same is true for Democrats?

The disparity in treatment by the media, not even yet including the DOJ, is apparent.  A reasonable person would look at it and see it. 

More and more average people are seeing it.  The unabated behaviors of Democrats are ensuring this, and we can see it happening.  So yeah, I am totally supportive of Democrat gaslighting.

If by "the media" you are just talking MSNBC and the like, then sure of course.    It's not all lefty propoganda, man.     Now, if you are actually a reasonable person and include all media in "the media" then you might have a different pov.    You can't be seriously suggesting that Fox, OAN, and all the others like that aren't doing exactly the same thing to the other side of the aisle.   

IMO the problem is not "the media" in this country, it's that the tech and other things have made is so that there is too often left or right info and people can isolate themselves from other viewpoints and info.   

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1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

If by "the media" you are just talking MSNBC and the like, then sure of course.    It's not all lefty propoganda, man.     Now, if you are actually a reasonable person and include all media in "the media" then you might have a different pov.    You can't be seriously suggesting that Fox, OAN, and all the others like that aren't doing exactly the same thing to the other side of the aisle.   

IMO the problem is not "the media" in this country, it's that the tech and other things have made is so that there is too often left or right info and people can isolate themselves from other viewpoints and info.   

As I have stated, many times before....so I did not think it needed to be done again.....yes....its all media.... 

Now, back to the topic, most of media is propaganda against Trump, and that is just fine by me....as I have maintained all along. I have insisted, for years now, that if MSM.....most of which holds Trump pointedly accountable, did the same to Democrats....I would likely be quiet....

But what I see is a free pass being given to Democrats, and it had emboldened them to behave extortionary badly.

As they did when they denied inflation existed, lied about it being "transitory" and were not held to account for it....it was lying and gaslighting, and I think people increasingly see it.  You see, when you allow them to lie without repercussion, they will take it too far.  So while MSM thinks they are empowering Democrats, they seem to forget that Democrats behave rather badly when not held to account.

So yes, by all means, let them continue to lie.  Its helping take them down.

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

As I have stated, many times before....so I did not think it needed to be done again.....yes....its all media.... 

Now, back to the topic, most of media is propaganda against Trump, and that is just fine by me....as I have maintained all along. I have insisted, for years now, that if MSM.....most of which holds Trump pointedly accountable, did the same to Democrats....I would likely be quiet....

But what I see is a free pass being given to Democrats, and it had emboldened them to behave extortionary badly.

As they did when they denied inflation existed, lied about it being "transitory" and were not held to account for it....it was lying and gaslighting, and I think people increasingly see it.  You see, when you allow them to lie without repercussion, they will take it too far.  So while MSM thinks they are empowering Democrats, they seem to forget that Democrats behave rather badly when not held to account.

So yes, by all means, let them continue to lie.  Its helping take them down.

Yeah, we just won't agree that when you include all media it's as lopsided as you claim.  We also seem to include different things in MSM. 

I also very much disagree with your tactics at the end.  What you describe is a descent to the bottom as we cheer on people we disagree with getting lied to and screwed over.   You post as though you want the country to implode so you can get your way or at least say "I told you so"  fock that.  Someone needs to act like adults in these positions of power. 

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

Yeah, we just won't agree that when you include all media it's as lopsided as you claim.  We also seem to include different things in MSM. 

I also very much disagree with your tactics at the end.  What you describe is a descent to the bottom as we cheer on people we disagree with getting lied to and screwed over.   You post as though you want the country to implode so you can get your way or at least say "I told you so"  fock that.  Someone needs to act like adults in these positions of power. 

We are out of options.   People who voted Democrat apparently need to feel the pain from it.   I wish that were not the case, but that is where we are.

So if the only way to get them to stop voting in bad policy is to allow Democrats to lie so badly that people turn away, then that is what will have to happen.

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We are out of options.   People who voted Democrat apparently need to feel the pain from it.   I wish that were not the case, but that is where we are.

So if the only way to get them to stop voting in bad policy is to allow Democrats to lie so badly that people turn away, then that is what will have to happen.

Absolutely. Keep shipping 100% of the illegals to the "sanctuary cities", keep watching California spiral out of hand financially, and keep counting the death totals and the children with terrible education in liberal run cities. If only there was a way to keep the democrat voters living in the states and districts they voted in at least through the term for which their votes counted. Now that would be a win if we could do that.  

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30 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We are out of options.   People who voted Democrat apparently need to feel the pain from it.   I wish that were not the case, but that is where we are.

So if the only way to get them to stop voting in bad policy is to allow Democrats to lie so badly that people turn away, then that is what will have to happen.

It's not though.  Many people will just vote R or D no matter what.  Many single issue voters everywhere.  I wish that wasn't the case, but where we part is that the only option is to continue to lie to people and keep them miserable.  That is bs, imo. 

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9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's not though.  Many people will just vote R or D no matter what.  Many single issue voters everywhere.  I wish that wasn't the case, but where we part is that the only option is to continue to lie to people and keep them miserable.  That is bs, imo. 

There is a middle ground, a contested set of voters.  In 2020 MSM and Dems contrived lies to manipulate those people away from Trump, and they did a good job.  These people should enjoy "the fruits" of those votes, as they have.  Now they are living the misery created by their votes, that is a lesson we need them to learn, so they do not repeat the mistake. 

So, when I say please do continue the lies about the economy......well, they have been lying all along anyway....what, am I now going to insist the finally tell the truth? Does that really seem feasible?

No....instead, I say go ahead and lie.....and let the people see that contrast between the lies and reality, so they can arrive at their "aha" moment.....and maybe we get back to sensible policy

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I understand, we just disagree a bit on that point.  How I read your posts is basically people need to be punished and suffer for voting D.   Then they might wise up and vote R. Again, I think that is really backwards thinking, and many things wrong along the thought process. 

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43 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I understand, we just disagree a bit on that point.  How I read your posts is basically people need to be punished and suffer for voting D.   Then they might wise up and vote R. Again, I think that is really backwards thinking, and many things wrong along the thought process. 

You all fight hard for your vote to count and to convince others to want the same thing as you. Then you say you don't think you should be held accountable for that vote when you get what you voted for.

That's pretty focked up.  

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12 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Yeah, I do.  Made a mild compromise with the wife.  She is a vet and understandably protective of her license and ability to prescribe meds [getting caught with weed could get her license through the DEA suspended] We try not to push it with getting stuff delivered or buying too much at a time.  

Gotcha. If things change dm