Trump's Cognitive Decline and Health

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

It was a direct statement to Kelly.   

Yeah, I don't like that he said this. Bums me out. I hold military pretty near and dear.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

This is partially true. 

They can do CT, MRI or PET scans to view grey matter/white matter in the brain and to check brain activity. They can also check spinal fluid for specific proteins that are higher in dementia/Alzheimer's patients, and I believe there is a blood test that works similar. (Source: google and my mother's current situation). 

Do these alone make a diagnosis? No, but it's not only symptoms and observations; there are additional tests that can be done now. Biden (and Trump) have shown plenty of symptoms, and have been observed plenty of times to give cause to run these tests, IMO. And they both have enough money to do so. 

Problem is, that the public would want to know the health of the President. And NO one in either camp is going to want to disclose that they have seen the PET scan of the President and he has significant decline in the white matter of his brain (or whatever). People freak when the President has his yearly physical and is overweight. But if you're going to scan Trump, scan Biden. Tell everyone all the results, and go from there. 

I'd be fine with that.  Or even better, age limit.  No one over 70 can be president.  Put an end to these old focks who can't let go.

[jerryskids 6,792]

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Remind us which one of those guys did nothing but suck up to the dictators and which one calls them dictators?  Which one expanded and unified NATO and which one talks about weakening it bigly?

It’s beyond laughable to say Biden looks weak when it’s his actions that have stymied Russsia in Ukraine. He’s also told Xi that he won’t stand for incursions in Taiwan.

And remember Trump getting laughed at and mocked by world leaders.  Yes I remember that.

Trump established relationships with world leaders, who reciprocated out of respect.  Biden talks about taking corn pop behind the shed.

Meanwhile, Russia has been in Ukraine since just after Biden took over, China is massing it's navy in the China Sea, and Iran-backed Hamas brutally attacked Israel, with the help of our tax dollars.  Facts not feelz; actions speak louder than words.

Oh, and I do remember world leaders laughing and mocking at Trump.  I remember them doing it when he said to NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid.  I also remember Germans laughing at Trump when he said they were too dependent on Russian oil, in 2018.  How did that age for Germany? 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

Why won’t they release the audio of Bidens deposition in the classified documents case? 

[BeachGuy23 642]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Trump established relationships with world leaders, who reciprocated out of respect.  Biden talks about taking corn pop behind the shed.

Meanwhile, Russia has been in Ukraine since just after Biden took over, China is massing it's navy in the China Sea, and Iran-backed Hamas brutally attacked Israel, with the help of our tax dollars.  Facts not feelz; actions speak louder than words.

Oh, and I do remember world leaders laughing and mocking at Trump.  I remember them doing it when he said to NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid.  I also remember Germans laughing at Trump when he said they were too dependent on Russian oil, in 2018.  How did that age for Germany? 

 

So pray tell, what more would Trump have done to prevent Putin from invading?  Biden has done way way way more in support of Ukraine and hasn't blown kisses to Putin like Trump did.  Biden projects so much more strength than Trump it's not funny.  Trump literally said he was in love with KJU.  That projects strength?  He was going to invite a terrorist group to camp david before smarter heads prevailed.  He looked Putin in the eye and let Putin make him look like a bish by saying he took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies.

Please aware me how any of this projects strength boyo. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Bottom line, they’re both focking 80 years old or damn near it. Neither one of em should be president again but one of them is going to be 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why won’t they release the audio of Bidens deposition in the classified documents case? 

Must be because he's a drooling zombie who keeps sh1tting his pants right?  I mean, he's not in any other audio or video, but that video that they're not releasing, that must be it, and that's the REAL Joe Biden.  DEEP STATE! Am I right?

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Must be because he's a drooling zombie who keeps sh1tting his pants right?  I mean, he's not in any other audio or video, but that video that they're not releasing, that must be it, and that's the REAL Joe Biden.  DEEP STATE! Am I right?

On one hand he's a pants chitting dementia patient, on the other hand he's weaponized the entire US and state governments against Trump.

LMFAO these cultist are legit the least this country has to offer.

SAD

[jerryskids 6,792]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

So pray tell, what more would Trump have done to prevent Putin from invading?  Biden has done way way way more in support and hasn't blown kisses to Putin like Trump did.  Biden projects so much more strength than Trump it's not funny.  Trump literally said he was in love with KJU.  That projects strength?  He was going to invite a terrorist group to camp david before smarter heads prevailed.  He looked Putin in the eye and let Putin make him look like a bish by saying he took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies.

Please aware me how any of this projects strength boyo. 

So, I destroyed you on the "world leaders laughing" statement, duly noted.

It's a false question to say "what would Trump have done."  Trump did whatever he did for 4 years, and Putin didn't invade.  Russia, China, and Iran/Hamas have all acted as I said.  These are facts, not useless speculation.

The bolded is idiotic, beyond the possibility of intelligent discussion.

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

30 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I'd be fine with that.  Or even better, age limit.  No one over 70 can be president.  Put an end to these old focks who can't let go.

I 100% agree with you on that. 

Fock if we have a retirement age, or take away drivers licenses, we shouldn't have these old folks running the country 

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Must be because he's a drooling zombie who keeps sh1tting his pants right?  I mean, he's not in any other audio or video, but that video that they're not releasing, that must be it, and that's the REAL Joe Biden.  DEEP STATE! Am I right?

You could be, but they aren't releasing it for a reason. 

Would be nice to know what that reason is. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, I destroyed you on the "world leaders laughing" statement, duly noted.

It's a false question to say "what would Trump have done."  Trump did whatever he did for 4 years, and Putin didn't invade.  Russia, China, and Iran/Hamas have all acted as I said.  These are facts, not useless speculation.

The bolded is idiotic, beyond the possibility of intelligent discussion.

How exactly did you destroy my world leaders laughing at Trump when in fact there are multiple videos of world leaders laughing at Trump.  And not just about NATO.

Destroyed me?  The Great Jerry who has the highest opinion of himself, just ask him, just got served.  That must sting Mr 50 Patents...LMFAO

 

Trump told leaders from around the world Tuesday the American economy is “booming like never before” and his administration has accomplished more in less than two years than almost any other administration. His boast elicited laughter from the scores of heads of state and delegates in the audience for the speech.

[jerryskids 6,792]

13 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

How exactly did you destroy my world leaders laughing at Trump when in fact there are multiple videos of world leaders laughing at Trump.  And not just about NATO.

Destroyed me?  The Great Jerry who has the highest opinion of himself, just ask him, just got served.  That must sting Mr 50 Patents...LMFAO

 

Trump told leaders from around the world Tuesday the American economy is “booming like never before” and his administration has accomplished more in less than two years than almost any other administration. His boast elicited laughter from the scores of heads of state and delegates in the audience for the speech.

It's 5, not 50 patents.  Why are you allergic to accurate data?  Does that help you with your job?

And I only said it because you said something about hoping I didn't design anything.  Ends up I did.

Speaking of allergic to accuracy, yet another quote without a link, so we can't read the context or source. Regardless, that is nothing like how stupid Germany looks for laughing at Trump's statement.

Otherwise, good post, good effort.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

Wait, Biden hasn’t sucked up to dictators? That’s simply not true.  

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

@jerryskids

This is my honest point of view, not trying to troll you: 

1. I am highly skeptical that Biden suffers from dementia. I know you are convinced that he does, and I don’t expect either of us to change our minds. However, let’s wait until the debate coming up later this month and then reassess. I think that will be the best indicator we have. I will be in Europe so I won’t able to watch it until a few days later but if I see signs of decline or dementia I will be honest and say that. Similarly if you decide you were incorrect in your earlier assessment I trust you will let us know. 
 

2. Trump isn’t declining IMO. He is a scattebrained guy, unable to keep organized in his head and that has been his pattern for years. I think he’s an incompetent boob, always has been, and that is one reason I could never vote for him (among many many others.) But I don’t see signs of dementia. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Trump established relationships with world leaders, who reciprocated out of respect.  Biden talks about taking corn pop behind the shed.

Meanwhile, Russia has been in Ukraine since just after Biden took over, China is massing it's navy in the China Sea, and Iran-backed Hamas brutally attacked Israel, with the help of our tax dollars.  Facts not feelz; actions speak louder than words.

Oh, and I do remember world leaders laughing and mocking at Trump.  I remember them doing it when he said to NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid.  I also remember Germans laughing at Trump when he said they were too dependent on Russian oil, in 2018.  How did that age for Germany? 

 

Great post

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

It's a false question to say "what would Trump have done."  Trump did whatever he did for 4 years, and Putin didn't invade. 

Not a false question at all.

If you're going to make the argument that Putin didn't invade Ukraine because Trump would have done something, then you need to provide reasoning as to why.  Otherwise you just have a correlation with no causation.  Like, during Biden's term, there was no global pandemic.  Or during Biden's term, there was no Syrian war.  Obviously Biden didn't do anything to prevent either of those, but if you're gonna make the case that Trump prevented Putin from invading Ukraine, then you need to provide reasoning or evidence, or it's just another conspiracy theory.

Now I can do one better.  Biden is fighting Putin in Ukraine.  Trump is opposed to fighting Putin.  Using these knowns facts, it's impossible for you to extrapolate that Putin would be scared to invade Ukraine under Trump.

The conclusion is that if Trump won in 2020 (he still thinks he did) then Putin would have invaded anyway, and we wouldn't have supported Ukraine, and Russia would own half of Ukraine right now.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I remember them doing it when he said to NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid.  I also remember Germans laughing at Trump when he said they were too dependent on Russian oil, in 2018.  How did that age for Germany?

 

Wrong on NATO.  Trump had little effect on NATO spending.  What did was Russia invaded Ukraine.  Following 2014, NATO spending increased.  It keeps increasing, with Trump gone, since the latest invasion.  It was 4 in 2014, 7 in 2022, and now 18 of 31 meet the 2%.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/europe/nato-defense-spending-target-intl/index.html

Germany is not dependent on Russian oil.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64312400

You listen to what Trump says too much.  Here's a tip, he lies, all the time.  Do your own research.

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

You could be, but they aren't releasing it for a reason. 

Would be nice to know what that reason is. 

The reason given is they don't want deep fakes produced.  But I know, that sounds like an excuse, but it's the logical answer.  Occam's razor.

This is the problem with conspiracy theories, our brains crave them.  We're hardwired to draw connections between events that don't connect.  So, Biden is old, rumors are he drools like a zombie, audio won't be released, so the conclusion our brains make is that the audio isn't released because it's him drooling and making zombie sounds.  And people who are looking for confirmation bias eat it up.

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

The argument that Putin invaded/didn’t invade Ukraine during which President’s term is made by the same people who blame or credit Trump or Biden for the worldwide inflation. It’s a lazy POV, a belief that the American President, whoever it is, is way more powerful than he or she actually is. 
 

If you want to understand Putin’s reasons and timing you need to know a little bit about Russian and Ukraine history- both recent and going back hundreds of years. That would take way too long to go into here but rest assured that the difference between Trump and Biden had very little impact on Putin’s decision making. 

[jerryskids 6,792]

22 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Wrong on NATO.  Trump had little effect on NATO spending.  What did was Russia invaded Ukraine.  Following 2014, NATO spending increased.  It keeps increasing, with Trump gone, since the latest invasion.  It was 4 in 2014, 7 in 2022, and now 18 of 31 meet the 2%.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/europe/nato-defense-spending-target-intl/index.html

Germany is not dependent on Russian oil.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64312400

You listen to what Trump says too much.  Here's a tip, he lies, all the time.  Do your own research.

 

Do you even read your own links?

The first one says nothing of 2022 targets.  Further, it says:

Quote

The NATO chief acknowledged on Wednesday that criticism of members not spending enough was “a valid point … and a message that has been conveyed by successive US administrations, that European Allies and Canada have to spend more, because we haven’t seen fair burden sharing in the alliance.”

Started with Trump, continued with Biden.

The second one is even worse; I should have posted it to prove my point.  It is from 2023 and says Germany is NO LONGER dependent on Russian oil and gas.  Then goes on to describe how they, among other things, re-opened coal plants to make up the difference.  So now they are destroying the environment; climate change shlimate change, we need power now$#@!

Cmon man...

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

@jerryskids

This is my honest point of view, not trying to troll you: 

1. I am highly skeptical that Biden suffers from dementia.

I disagree. 

I've spent some time over the last few years, starting in 2020 around people and patients in various locations with stages of cognitive decline; including my own mother. 

He walks like he has a form of dementia; small shuffles, steps. He trips over his own feet often, usually very early signs when we lose our balance. Older people hang onto hand rails, other people when they walk for fear of falling. He looses his way frequently, even when it's moments after going up onto stage or off of stage. He falls asleep at odd hours (old people do this, and in cognitive decline and brain issues, sleep is more frequent). People who've had strokes sleep A LOT right after, sometimes up to 18 hours a day.  His speech, fumbling of words, losing track of what he was saying, slurring, etc. All of this is a sign of aphasia, although usually in later stages it's possible to happen anytime. There are times that he's able to hold it together, during speeches, press stuff, but I would bet money the days following he's got a LOT of down time and stays in bed a lot or goes on a long vacation somewhere. 

Go to an old folks home or a rehab center. You'll see a lot of people who walk and talk just like him, many of them have some form of cognitive decline or they wouldn't be there. 

Trump has cognitive decline, but he's not like this. Most of the time he's just a blithering douche bag who needs to sit down and shut up. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Do you even read your own links?

The first one says nothing of 2022 targets.  Further, it says:

Started with Trump, continued with Biden.

The second one is even worse; I should have posted it to prove my point.  It is from 2023 and says Germany is NO LONGER dependent on Russian oil and gas.  Then goes on to describe how they, among other things, re-opened coal plants to make up the difference.  So now they are destroying the environment; climate change shlimate change, we need power now$#@!

Cmon man...

I didn't think you needed to see the 2022 numbers.  Source: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/only-7-nato-members-hit-alliances-2-percent-gdp-defense-spending-target-in-2022/

7 members.  So when you said "NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid", that was incorrect.  The number was 7 out 31 years after he said that.  Not many/most.  And yes it was a valid criticism, never said it wasn't, but the driving force behind spending increases was not Trump, it was Russia and Russia's threat to NATO.  That is clear.

For Germany, Trump's quote "Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it doesn't immediately change course".  Well, were they ever totally dependent? No.  Did they immediately change course? No.  When Russia invaded Ukraine and cut off their oil, they made adjustments, and they were fine.  This isn't the "destruction" or whatever you think it is.  Germany laughed at him because they knew they would be fine either way, and they always were, and they are.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I disagree. 

I've spent some time over the last few years, starting in 2020 around people and patients in various locations with stages of cognitive decline; including my own mother. 

He walks like he has a form of dementia; small shuffles, steps. He trips over his own feet often, usually very early signs when we lose our balance. Older people hang onto hand rails, other people when they walk for fear of falling. He looses his way frequently, even when it's moments after going up onto stage or off of stage. He falls asleep at odd hours (old people do this, and in cognitive decline and brain issues, sleep is more frequent). People who've had strokes sleep A LOT right after, sometimes up to 18 hours a day.  His speech, fumbling of words, losing track of what he was saying, slurring, etc. All of this is a sign of aphasia, although usually in later stages it's possible to happen anytime. There are times that he's able to hold it together, during speeches, press stuff, but I would bet money the days following he's got a LOT of down time and stays in bed a lot or goes on a long vacation somewhere. 

Go to an old folks home or a rehab center. You'll see a lot of people who walk and talk just like him, many of them have some form of cognitive decline or they wouldn't be there. 

Trump has cognitive decline, but he's not like this. Most of the time he's just a blithering douche bag who needs to sit down and shut up. 

I get your reasoning and you may be right. I’m not seeing it and I may be wrong. And neither of us should overlook the possibility that our already held political views may be shaping our perceptions on this matter at least in part. 

Again I think the upcoming debate will be a good indicator. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get your reasoning and you may be right. I’m not seeing it and I may be wrong. And neither of us should overlook the possibility that our already held political views may be shaping our perceptions on this matter at least in part. 

Again I think the upcoming debate will be a good indicator. 

As much as I'd like to pretend Biden is awesome, he's not.  He's declined.  My whole point is that Trump has too.  And we have too many Trump idiots that think that he hasn't.

It's hard to say that one is worse than the other, but it doesn't matter, they're both declined and old.  In 4 years we'll get 2 new choices, I hope.

[jerryskids 6,792]

49 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The reason given is they don't want deep fakes produced.  But I know, that sounds like an excuse, but it's the logical answer.  Occam's razor.

This is the problem with conspiracy theories, our brains crave them.  We're hardwired to draw connections between events that don't connect.  So, Biden is old, rumors are he drools like a zombie, audio won't be released, so the conclusion our brains make is that the audio isn't released because it's him drooling and making zombie sounds.  And people who are looking for confirmation bias eat it up.

Deep fakes could be made of any public speech Biden makes.  What is different about this one?

The answer is:  should be nothing, and given that the transcript of the entire interview has been made public, you are wrong about Occam's Razor.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Deep fakes could be made of any public speech Biden makes.  What is different about this one?

The answer is:  should be nothing, and given that the transcript of the entire interview has been made public, you are wrong about Occam's Razor.

You probably don't know much about AI, but tone and inflection are important.  The audio you get from a deposition is going to be different than a speech, and hence the AI would sound different.  For example, during a speech the words are loud and projected.  In the deposition I'm sure he's subdued, slower, quiter.  So when you make a deep fake saying that he did something horrible, it's more believable to come out as if in general or even subdued conversation.

And yes we know the contents of what he said.  He didn't say anything outrageous, so all we don't know is how he sounded when he said it.  The most logical answer is that he sounds like he always does.  Occam's Razor.

[jerryskids 6,792]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I didn't think you needed to see the 2022 numbers.  Source: https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/only-7-nato-members-hit-alliances-2-percent-gdp-defense-spending-target-in-2022/

7 members.  So when you said "NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid", that was incorrect.  The number was 7 out 31 years after he said that.  Not many/most.  And yes it was a valid criticism, never said it wasn't, but the driving force behind spending increases was not Trump, it was Russia and Russia's threat to NATO.  That is clear.

For Germany, Trump's quote "Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it doesn't immediately change course".  Well, were they ever totally dependent? No.  Did they immediately change course? No.  When Russia invaded Ukraine and cut off their oil, they made adjustments, and they were fine.  This isn't the "destruction" or whatever you think it is.  Germany laughed at him because they knew they would be fine either way, and they always were, and they are.

 

Graph 3 of the following link shows that, for 2020, 11 countries hit the 2% target, with 2 others just behind.  It also compares to 2015 spending, and clearly it went up significantly for every country in that timeframe.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/3/pdf/210316-pr-2020-30-en.pdf

I would postulate that Covid caused many countries to back off spending, leading to your 2022 reduction.  And of course, Russia's invasion slapped a lot of countries in the head, so I wouldn't attribute that to Biden.

For Germany, now we're playing the "Trump said ALL"?  Are you squistion?  They were caught with their pants around the ankles and turned on coal plants as an emergency.  Do you honestly think those smug Germans sitting there laughing were thinking "ah Herr Trump, he does not know about der awesome coal plants we can fire up!" ?  They laughed, they were wrong.

[jerryskids 6,792]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You probably don't know much about AI, but tone and inflection are important.  The audio you get from a deposition is going to be different than a speech, and hence the AI would sound different.  For example, during a speech the words are loud and projected.  In the deposition I'm sure he's subdued, slower, quiter.  So when you make a deep fake saying that he did something horrible, it's more believable to come out as if in general or even subdued conversation.

And yes we know the contents of what he said.  He didn't say anything outrageous, so all we don't know is how he sounded when he said it.  The most logical answer is that he sounds like he always does.  Occam's Razor.

I know a little about AI, thanks.  Also:

Paragraph 1:  He'll sound way different.

Paragraph 2.  He'll sound like he always does.  Occam's Razor.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Graph 3 of the following link shows that, for 2020, 11 countries hit the 2% target, with 2 others just behind.  It also compares to 2015 spending, and clearly it went up significantly for every country in that timeframe.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/3/pdf/210316-pr-2020-30-en.pdf

I would postulate that Covid caused many countries to back off spending, leading to your 2022 reduction.  And of course, Russia's invasion slapped a lot of countries in the head, so I wouldn't attribute that to Biden.

For Germany, now we're playing the "Trump said ALL"?  Are you squistion?  They were caught with their pants around the ankles and turned on coal plants as an emergency.  Do you honestly think those smug Germans sitting there laughing were thinking "ah Herr Trump, he does not know about der awesome coal plants we can fire up!" ?  They laughed, they were wrong.

I didn't attribute anything to Biden, I simply refuted your statement "NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid".  We both now know that is clearly false, even if you won't admit it.

Germany, the video in your link has the direct quote.  Do you watch your own links?  I never said "ALL", please read my post again.  Trump said "Totally independent".  We can agree that they never were and they never became "Totally independent", hence the laughter, because they knew he was full of sh1t, and it's been proven now.  In order for Trump to be right you would have to show me where at any point after that they were totally independent on Russia.  I'll wait.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I know a little about AI, thanks.  Also:

Paragraph 1:  He'll sound way different.

Paragraph 2.  He'll sound like he always does.  Occam's Razor.

You know the difference between a speech and a conversation, don't you?

[jerryskids 6,792]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I didn't attribute anything to Biden, I simply refuted your statement "NATO pay up or shut up... and many/most paid".  We both now know that is clearly false, even if you won't admit it.

Germany, the video in your link has the direct quote.  Do you watch your own links?  I never said "ALL", please read my post again.  Trump said "Totally independent".  We can agree that they never were and they never became "Totally independent", hence the laughter, because they knew he was full of sh1t, and it's been proven now.  In order for Trump to be right you would have to show me where at any point after that they were totally independent on Russia.  I'll wait.

You win, squissy.  They were laughing only because Trump said "totally dependent," not because Trump thought they were too dependent.  They knew they had those coal furnaces in their back pocket.   

Also, they didn't get the chance to become even more dependent because Putin shut them off, which caused them to panic-open the coal plants.

Regarding Nato, as per my chart, all but a few either hit the goal or significantly increased their payments.  You may not be aware, but most countries couldn't just rip up their budget and instantly hit the 2%.  Most countries steadily increased over time with an end goal of 2%.  

[jerryskids 6,792]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You know the difference between a speech and a conversation, don't you?

Yes.  So why the second paragraph?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

Liberals love repeating the “unprovoked” lie.  They like being lied to. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You win, squissy.  They were laughing only because Trump said "totally dependent," not because Trump thought they were too dependent.  They knew they had those coal furnaces in their back pocket.   

Also, they didn't get the chance to become even more dependent because Putin shut them off, which caused them to panic-open the coal plants.

Regarding Nato, as per my chart, all but a few either hit the goal or significantly increased their payments.  You may not be aware, but most countries couldn't just rip up their budget and instantly hit the 2%.  Most countries steadily increased over time with an end goal of 2%.  

Why are you calling me squissy?  I'm starting to think you're mentally declining.  And yes, they were laughing because Trump was saying something outrageous.  They were never totally dependent on Russia.  Trump was full of sh1t.

Also there was no panic open of coal plants.  They were either recently turned off or set to be turned off.

More than a third (36.3%) of the electricity fed into the German power grids between July and September came from coal-fired power plants, compared with 31.9 percent in the third quarter of 2021, according to German statistics office Destatis. Source: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/

NATO, so again, your statement was wrong, thanks.

[jerryskids 6,792]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Why are you calling me squissy?  I'm starting to think you're mentally declining.  And yes, they were laughing because Trump was saying something outrageous.  They were never totally dependent on Russia.  Trump was full of sh1t.

Also there was no panic open of coal plants.  They were either recently turned off or set to be turned off.

More than a third (36.3%) of the electricity fed into the German power grids between July and September came from coal-fired power plants, compared with 31.9 percent in the third quarter of 2021, according to German statistics office Destatis. Source: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/

NATO, so again, your statement was wrong, thanks.

I'm calling you squissy because you are caught up in the "total," a semantic game squistion likes to play.  Trump's message was that they were TOO reliant on Russia (saying it in typical Trumpian extremes), Germans laughed, Trump was right.

As for coal, in your article:

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Coal-to-power generation output rose by 13.3% year-on-year to 42.9 terawatt hours (TWh) in the three months of July-September, during which overall German power output - at 118.1 TWh - lagged the same period in 2021 by 0.5 percent, Destatis said.

That's a big increase, unplanned.

We're not going to agree on this, and it's getting tedious.

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40 years ago Ronald Reagan went to Normandy and gave a speech people still talk about today. 40 years later Joe Biden gave a speech there where he didn’t remember what day it was. God help us. 

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm calling you squissy because you are caught up in the "total," a semantic game squistion likes to play.  Trump's message was that they were TOO reliant on Russia (saying it in typical Trumpian extremes), Germans laughed, Trump was right.

As for coal, in your article:

That's a big increase, unplanned.

We're not going to agree on this, and it's getting tedious.

Agreed, you're spun out.

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I get your reasoning and you may be right. I’m not seeing it and I may be wrong. And neither of us should overlook the possibility that our already held political views may be shaping our perceptions on this matter at least in part. 

Again I think the upcoming debate will be a good indicator. 

Nor are most rank and file Democrats. They see through the constant drum beat of fake news propaganda about Biden.

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3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Yes.  So why the second paragraph?

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