AZ Brings Back 160 Year Old Abortion Ban

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s extreme and I would never support it. Now tell us what former The former governor of Virginia has to say about post birth abortions. You support that. He’s a little more important than a state senator from bomfock that probably had hundreds of people vote for her.  

I didn't vote for the former Gov of VA, and the former Gov of VA doesn't write the laws.  Don't pretend that you would't vote for any state senator that didn't have an R next to his name.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I didn't vote for the former Gov of VA, and the former Gov of VA doesn't write the laws.  Don't pretend that you would't vote for any state senator that didn't have an R next to his name.

I have voted for democrats more than republicans in my life. And it’s not close. Governors don’t have a role in the law making process? News to me. Considering abortion is a states issue now I’d say you’re wrong. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s extreme and I would never support it. Now tell us what The former governor of Virginia has to say about post birth abortions. You support that. He’s a little more important than a state senator from bomfock that probably had hundreds of people vote for her.  

 

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I didn't vote for the former Gov of VA, and the former Gov of VA doesn't write the laws.  Don't pretend that you would't vote for any state senator that didn't have an R next to his name.

In addition to not voting for him, he also didn't say that. It's a discussion and statement taken completely out of context. Which is exactly why HT won't link to it, because once you hear it, it would make him look foolish for saying that's what the former governor said. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

In addition to not voting for him, he also didn't say that. It's a discussion and statement taken completely out of context. Which is exactly why HT won't link to it, because once you hear it, it would make him look foolish for saying that's what the former governor said. 

Have to say that I am gratified that someone else around here take issue with the abuse of context around statements made by politicians..... 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

In addition to not voting for him, he also didn't say that. It's a discussion and statement taken completely out of context. Which is exactly why HT won't link to it, because once you hear it, it would make him look foolish for saying that's what the former governor said. 

Explain in your words what he was saying.  Let’s hear it. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Most of the country? 

It's not happening or it's not widespread?

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have voted for democrats more than republicans in my life. And it’s not close. Governors don’t have a role in the law making process? News to me. Considering abortion is a states issue now I’d say you’re wrong. 

The Legislature writes the laws.  Of course the Gov has to sign it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not happening or it's not widespread?

It is happening. But not for most of the country. Or even close. Gross  Exaggeration debunked.  

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Explain in your words what he was saying.  Let’s hear it. 

Nah, you made the allegation(multiple times) about his stance on post birth abortions.  You support your position with facts, I'm not arguing to argue against something that WASN'T said.  

Also,  since you you, me and everyone hear knows you will never come back with the receipts. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

In addition to not voting for him, he also didn't say that. It's a discussion and statement taken completely out of context. Which is exactly why HT won't link to it, because once you hear it, it would make him look foolish for saying that's what the former governor said. 

Ah.  It was a fake facebook meme, got it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27D2GS/

HT peddles lies all the time here, should have known.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It is happening. But not for most of the country. Or even close. Gross  Exaggeration debunked.  

So it's not widespread or it's not a big deal?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Nah, you made the allegation(multiple times) about his stance on post birth abortions.  You support your position with facts, I'm not arguing to argue against something that WASN'T said.  

Also,  since you you, me and everyone hear knows you will never come back with the receipts. 

There is no such thing as a post birth abortion.  It's a shame the right has to lie about it in order to justify banning all abortions.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Nah, you made the allegation(multiple times) about his stance on post birth abortions.  You support your position with facts, I'm not arguing to argue against something that WASN'T said.  

Also,  since you you, me and everyone hear knows you will never come back with the receipts. 

Ok fine. I’ll accept your premise that he was taken out of context. Now do you think there aren’t elected extremists on the pro abortion side in proportion to this whack job that wants to ban contraception? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is no such thing as a post birth abortion.  It's a shame the right has to lie about it in order to justify banning all abortions.

Children have never survived an abortion?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Maga doosh Charlie Kirk saying the obvious.  If this election is about abortion they lose.  So they must obfuscate the issue so they can win, and then get rid of abortion.

The bad faith is astounding 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hard to believe that in 2024 abortion is still such an issue. 

It’s almost like the Supreme Court up ended 50 years of law on it

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok fine. I’ll accept your premise that he was taken out of context. Now do you think there aren’t elected extremists on the pro abortion side in proportion to this whack job that wants to ban contraception? 

Frst it's not a premise, it's an absolute, undeniable fact that he did not say anything about post birth abortions(also knows as murder). 

Define what you mean by "extremists" on the pro abortion side.  What is extreme?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So it's not widespread or it's not a big deal?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

Pay wall. But there is no way most of the country is under a ban. The overwhelming majority of people in this country live in highly populated blue states that are pro abortion.  Stop playing your silly games for once. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Children have never survived an abortion?

Not what I said.  The concept of delivering a baby and then deciding you don't want it for convenience and executing it, Trump's own words, is BS.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Frst it's not a premise, it's an absolute, undeniable fact that he did not say anything about post birth abortions(also knows as murder). 

Define what you mean by "extremists" on the pro abortion side.  What is extreme?

Late term abortions, up until birth? Those people don’t exist? 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have voted for democrats more than republicans in my life. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Not what I said.  The concept of delivering a baby and then deciding you don't want it for convenience and executing it, Trump's own words, is BS.

I’ll accept part of that, the deciding that all of a sudden you don’t want it. But, in rare cases, the child is alive outside the womb. I do not support ending that life. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Late term abortions, up until birth? Those people don’t exist? 

I don't think those are an extreme position when talking about the life and health of the mother or fetal abnormalities that could cause the child to live a short, painful life. 

But if that's your position as extreme, forcing woman to carry to term babies that won't survive or who could die because of child birth, yes, then there are extremists on both sides of the issue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Between 1996-2016 I voted in every federal, state and local election. Outside of a few judges and locals I voted for Bob Dole and George Pataki on the Republican side. The rest D’s. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

I don't think those are an extreme position when talking about the life and health of the mother or fetal abnormalities that could cause the child to live a short, painful life. 

But if that's your position as extreme, forcing woman to carry to term babies that won't survive or who could die because of child birth, yes, then there are extremists on both sides of the issue. 

Ok. So I don’t know why people continue to bring up obscure whack jobs on either side to make a point. Which was my point. Trotting out a fool talking about banning contraceptives is silly. 

[Jose M 125]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I don't think those are an extreme position when talking about the life and health of the mother or fetal abnormalities that could cause the child to live a short, painful life. 

But if that's your position as extreme, forcing woman to carry to term babies that won't survive or who could die because of child birth, yes, then there are extremists on both sides of the issue. 

Or because the woman is poor or can't find a ride to the clinic or can't afford it or life is just to chaotic?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I don't think those are an extreme position when talking about the life and health of the mother or fetal abnormalities that could cause the child to live a short, painful life. 

But if that's your position as extreme, forcing woman to carry to term babies that won't survive or who could die because of child birth, yes, then there are extremists on both sides of the issue. 

I don’t think forcing women to be forced to give birth when their health is at risk is right. I do not support that.  The majority of republicans support the exceptions. So does President Trump.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Between 1996-2016 I voted in every federal, state and local election. Outside of a few judges and locals I voted for Bob Dole and George Pataki on the Republican side. The rest D’s. 

Sure you did 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. So I don’t know why people continue to bring up obscure whack jobs on either side to make a point. Which was my point. Trotting out a fool talking about banning contraceptives is silly. 

195 Republicans voted against the Right to Contraception Act 2 years ago.  Again, it's not happening.

Let's not pretend that abortion is about the life of the baby.  It's all about controlling women.  Women are hores, right?  Keep your legs closed.  If you get pregnant, it's your fault, you have to raise that baby.  No IVF for you, men will decide when you get pregnant.  No contraception, a man decides if he impregnates you or not.  No fault divorce, gone, you will stay married.  It's all about control

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think forcing women to be forced to give birth when their health is at risk is right. I do not support that.  The majority of republicans support the exceptions. So does President Trump.  

No, Trump overturned Roe v Wade which resulted in these states that have no exceptions.  He's very proud of that fact.

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

This is Maga...

Trump did this

[jerryskids 6,799]

27 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The bad faith is astounding 

What bad faith? He is saying you can't impact abortion if you lose, which is true.  And if you win, then you are in a position to start boiling the frog, putting in reasonable restrictions then building off of that through education etc.

This has been the progressive playbook for 60+ years.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

41 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So it's not widespread or it's not a big deal?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html

It’s not happening for most of the country like you claimed. Or even close. It’s a big deal to you for some reason.  It isn’t to me. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Who was it that sued to get Dobbs in front of the conservative court? 

[Jose M 125]

17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No, Trump overturned Roe v Wade which resulted in these states that have no exceptions.  He's very proud of that fact.

List the number of states that don't have exceptions to save the life of the pregnant person.  

 

[Jose M 125]

16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

This is Maga...

Trump did this

They guy that bangs porn stars isn't in favor of contraception.    

 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What bad faith? He is saying you can't impact abortion if you lose, which is true.  And if you win, then you are in a position to start boiling the frog, putting in reasonable restrictions then building off of that through education etc.

This has been the progressive playbook for 60+ years.  

You don't think it's bad faith for Republicans to tell voters that they support abortion so they can get elected and then end abortion?  You've completely lost it.

 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s not happening for most of the country like you claimed. Or even close. It’s a big deal to you for some reason.  It isn’t to me. 

It's a big deal for me because I believe in human rights, I support women's rights, I value women.  You don't, so you don't give a sh1t.  Just don't be a hore, right?

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You don't think it's bad faith for Republicans to tell voters that they support abortion so they can get elected and then end abortion?  You've completely lost 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's a big deal for me because I believe in human rights, I support women's rights, I value women.  You don't, so you don't give a sh1t.  Just don't be a hore, right?

Is being a hore a good thing? It’s not ok to tell someone to not be one? Value? Because I think taking precautions would spare them the need to go through the trauma of an abortion? Seems like you think it’s like getting any other medical procedure and there are no after affects. There are.  But you don’t care about that. Winning a election is more important. Seems you’re then one that devalues them. They are a pawn in pursuit of your goal.