Kamala's latest word salad on Israel:

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I was a joke comment to a poster I don’t take seriously. Kind of like you. 

lol. Tim doing the “I was just joking” two step like gutter boy.  Pathetic.  

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Yes the US hasn’t throttled Israel. 
2. Kamala is not giving money to terrorist states. 
3. You are more guilty of moral relativism than I am by excusing the bad things that Netanyahu has done. I’m not guilty of it at all because I’m willing to condemn bad acts no matter who performs them. 

There is not a single accurate word in this post.

1. They absolutely have

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The U.S. and Israel resolved some of the problems that have slowed down U.S. weapons shipments to Israel but the delivery of bombs put on hold by President Biden before Israel invaded Rafah is still under review, U.S. and Israeli officials said.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/26/us-israel-resolve-weapons-shipments-bombs

2. So, you are saying that aid to Gaza actually goes to Palestinians, and aid to Lebanon actually goes to non-Hezbollah?

3. To compare Netanyahu doing what is necessary to win (as per my first post on this subject) with the pure evil that is Hamas and Hezbollah, is exactly the kind of moral relativism I was discussing.  "They are both doing bad things," as if they are the same, is a disgusting position.  The attack on Hezbollah in particular was the greatest surgical targeted attack in the history of urban warfare.  You and your ilk hate it because it flies in the face of your misinformation about Israel doing "genocide."

You know exactly, unfortunately, why some civilians must suffer in this.  If you cared one iota for them, you would protest against Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.  They are the problem.  To use an old phrase of yours, full stop.

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6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

There is not a single accurate word in this post.

1. They absolutely have

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/26/us-israel-resolve-weapons-shipments-bombs

2. So, you are saying that aid to Gaza actually goes to Palestinians, and aid to Lebanon actually goes to non-Hezbollah?

3. To compare Netanyahu doing what is necessary to win (as per my first post on this subject) with the pure evil that is Hamas and Hezbollah, is exactly the kind of moral relativism I was discussing.  "They are both doing bad things," as if they are the same, is a disgusting position.  The attack on Hezbollah in particular was the greatest surgical targeted attack in the history of urban warfare.  You and your ilk hate it because it flies in the face of your misinformation about Israel doing "genocide."

You know exactly, unfortunately, why some civilians must suffer in this.  If you cared one iota for them, you would protest against Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.  They are the problem.  To use an old phrase of yours, full stop.

I could go into detail why you are wrong about all of this but we’ve had this conversation before and it’s not getting us anywhere. I will only add two points: 

1. There are plenty of Israelis and supporters of Israel who share my views on this. None of them support Hamas; neither do I. It’s actually very insulting and offensive to suggest that we do. 
 

2. I think your characterization of Palestinians, and Muslims in general, is based on stereotypes and not rooted in reality.. Do you know any Palestinians? I have some very close friends who are. They’re not the people you have painted here. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I could go into detail why you are wrong about all of this but we’ve had this conversation before and it’s not getting us anywhere. I will only add two points: 

1. There are plenty of Israelis and supporters of Israel who share my views on this. None of them support Hamas; neither do I. It’s actually very insulting and offensive to suggest that we do. 
 

2. I think your characterization of Palestinians, and Muslims in general, is based on stereotypes and not rooted in reality.. Do you know any Palestinians? I have some very close friends who are. They’re not the people you have painted here. 

1. Again, "plenty."  There are plenty of Israelis who have rational ideological differences with Netanyahu and the conservative wing of Israel.  There are far fewer who disagree with Israel's need to win this war.  "Winning" means destroying Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.  Not providing nine and ten figures of US dollars to them to enable their rebuild, while hampering Israel's ability to win the war.

2. I made no characterization of Palestinians, or Muslims in general.  I have no idea what this strawman is, but I'm not lowering myself to go there.

As usual you've ignored my points to which you don't have (even bad, like these) responses.  

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Trump says he’s going to stop inflation with tariffs.  

KAMALA said????? 

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She’s being described as illiterate after these interviews.  

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Trump says he’s going to stop inflation with tariffs.  

Kamala says she's going to make laws to make inflation illegal.  

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She can’t answer simple questions.  She’s flummoxed by the simplest of queries. 

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43 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

None of them support Hamas

Get Woke because you're Pro-Hamas and you said you want Israel to suffer at the hands of Allah 

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47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I could go into detail why you are wrong about all of this but we’ve had this conversation before and it’s not getting us anywhere. I will only add two points: 

1. There are plenty of Israelis and supporters of Israel who share my views on this. None of them support Hamas; neither do I. It’s actually very insulting and offensive to suggest that we do. 
 

2. I think your characterization of Palestinians, and Muslims in general, is based on stereotypes and not rooted in reality.. Do you know any Palestinians? I have some very close friends who are. They’re not the people you have painted here. 

Lumps himself in with Israelis and then says he knows a couple Palestinians.  

You're so full of it.  

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9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Kamala says she's going to make laws to make inflation illegal.  

Her stupid comments are downright Trumpian.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Her stupid comments are downright Trumpian.

Oh right, the centrist third party voter that only bags on Trump.  The whiner and crier that doesn't have a dog in the fight.  

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Just now, Horseman said:

Oh right, the centrist third party voter that only bags on Trump.  The whiner and crier that doesn't have a dog in the fight.  

I’d bag on them more equally if you slack jaws didn’t think Trump was General George Washington meets Luke Skywalker. 

Sad!

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18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Her stupid comments are downright Trumpian.

She also thinks that printing trillions of dollars and dumping it into the economy lowers inflation, and that giving federal funds to buy houses won't increase housing prices.   

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

1. Again, "plenty."  There are plenty of Israelis who have rational ideological differences with Netanyahu and the conservative wing of Israel.  There are far fewer who disagree with Israel's need to win this war.  "Winning" means destroying Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.  Not providing nine and ten figures of US dollars to them to enable their rebuild, while hampering Israel's ability to win the war.

2. I made no characterization of Palestinians, or Muslims in general.  I have no idea what this strawman is, but I'm not lowering myself to go there.

As usual you've ignored my points to which you don't have (even bad, like these) responses.  

Im willing to bet you hes lying about "knowing" Palestinians.  Tim lies.  A lot

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8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Im willing to bet you hes lying about "knowing" Palestinians.  Tim lies.  A lot

Nah, I'll take it at face value that he knows a guy.  Obviously, this guy (or his family before him) escaped the hellhole that is Hamas.  Presumably, he's been here a while his whole life or most of it, and is fairly Americanized.  Tim thinks he represents the majority of Palestinians in Gaza, who to this day overwhelmingly support Hamas.  I don't really know how to have a rational discussion with him on this topic.   

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

1. Again, "plenty."  There are plenty of Israelis who have rational ideological differences with Netanyahu and the conservative wing of Israel.  There are far fewer who disagree with Israel's need to win this war.  "Winning" means destroying Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran.  Not providing nine and ten figures of US dollars to them to enable their rebuild, while hampering Israel's ability to win the war.

2. I made no characterization of Palestinians, or Muslims in general.  I have no idea what this strawman is, but I'm not lowering myself to go there.

As usual you've ignored my points to which you don't have (even bad, like these) responses.  

Yeah we’re just not getting anywhere. I didn’t ignore your points; I’ve responded to them before and it didn’t get me anywhere. You and others like you really misunderstand Israel and I don’t believe your misunderstanding is at all helpful to Israel’s security. You’re making Israel less safe IMO. 

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Nah, I'll take it at face value that he knows a guy.  Obviously, this guy (or his family before him) escaped the hellhole that is Hamas.  Presumably, he's been here a while his whole life or most of it, and is fairly Americanized.  Tim thinks he represents the majority of Palestinians in Gaza, who to this day overwhelmingly support Hamas.  I don't really know how to have a rational discussion with him on this topic.   

I feel the same. FWIW I know several Palestinians. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

know several Palestinians. 

Just like every Liberal has a Black friend? 

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16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Nah, I'll take it at face value that he knows a guy.  Obviously, this guy (or his family before him) escaped the hellhole that is Hamas.  Presumably, he's been here a while his whole life or most of it, and is fairly Americanized.  Tim thinks he represents the majority of Palestinians in Gaza, who to this day overwhelmingly support Hamas.  I don't really know how to have a rational discussion with him on this topic.   

He knows lots of people you see..

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah we’re just not getting anywhere. I didn’t ignore your points; I’ve responded to them before and it didn’t get me anywhere. You and others like you really misunderstand Israel and I don’t believe your misunderstanding is at all helpful to Israel’s security. You’re making Israel less safe IMO. 

Thoughts on my main point:  the need for a strong, decisive victory over Iran and its proxies, leading to a Sunni expansion of the Abraham accords?

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I feel the same. FWIW I know several Palestinians. 

Are they different than what I described?

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Are they different than what I described?

Yes. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. 

How?

Are you new to this chat thing?  Do I need to type "if so, how?"

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thoughts on my main point:  the need for a strong, decisive victory over Iran and its proxies, leading to a Sunni expansion of the Abraham accords?

It won’t. There can not be a “decisive” victory against Iran. But any strong move by Israel against Iran actually will serve to unify the Sunnis and Shia against Israel. That’s one of the many things you don’t seem to understand about this. 

The Abraham Accords were a trap for Israel, an attempt to enmesh them into the rivalry between the Sunnis and Iran. It actually weakens Israel’s security because it very deliberately ignores the main issue which has always been at the root of its problems- the Palestinians. 

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How?

Are you new to this chat thing?  Do I need to type "if so, how?"

Sorry Jerry. But Tim is wayyyyyyyy smarter than you.  Youre just dumb.  

Just ask him

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Just now, jerryskids said:

How?

Are you new to this chat thing?  Do I need to type "if so, how?"

None of the ones I know approved of October 7. They predicted, correctly, that it would lead to devastation for Gaza. None of them are in love with Hamas or Hezbollah. I asked one of the them the other day, a very smart woman who has worked as a journalist in the region, “why the overwhelming support for Hamas?” She said “because there is no one else. And right now because we are at war and when that happens you support your leaders”. That was not to me a satisfactory answer, because unlike your description of me I do not regard myself as a moral relativist. But I suspect it’s a true one.

@jerryskids I know you disagree with me on this topic. I have come a very long way on my thoughts on this issue. I was raised to believe that Israel were the good guys. I have cousins in the IDF. A very close friend of my dad’s was in the Mossad. My grandmother was a Zionist and on one of the boats that Leon Uris fictionalized when he wrote Exodus. My synagogue has a huge banner on it: “We stand with Israel”. I get it. But my views have definitely changed. I still love and support Israel but I no longer believe it is wise to do so unequivocally. And I strongly resent this push on the right, which you here are partaking in, to lump any questioning of Israeli policy with support of her enemies. It’s really quite insulting. And just stupid. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It won’t. There can not be a “decisive” victory against Iran. But any strong move by Israel against Iran actually will serve to unify the Sunnis and Shia against Israel. That’s one of the many things you don’t seem to understand about this. 

The Abraham Accords were a trap for Israel, an attempt to enmesh them into the rivalry between the Sunnis and Iran. It actually weakens Israel’s security because it very deliberately ignores the main issue which has always been at the root of its problems- the Palestinians. 

Real Tim knows better than actual Israelis. Focker is brilliant. I don’t know why he’s wasting his time here. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It won’t. There can not be a “decisive” victory against Iran. But any strong move by Israel against Iran actually will serve to unify the Sunnis and Shia against Israel. That’s one of the many things you don’t seem to understand about this. 

The Abraham Accords were a trap for Israel, an attempt to enmesh them into the rivalry between the Sunnis and Iran. It actually weakens Israel’s security because it very deliberately ignores the main issue which has always been at the root of its problems- the Palestinians. 

Sure there can be a decisive victory against Iran, and the Sunnis want nothing to do with Iran.  Sunni countries want to move forward, unburdened by what has been.

Palestinians are a problem because they elect terrorist groups like Hamas, they have never wanted a two-state solution, and their terrorist tendencies make it such that none of the surrounding countries want anything to do with them.  Except for the multiple Palestinians you know who are Americanized, of course.

Apparently you think a better solution is to provide hundreds of millions/billions of dollars to terrorist regimes, so that Iran can develop nukes and we truly are stuck in a situation where they always have that threat.  Well, you and Kamala.  Brilliant!

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7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry Jerry. But Tim is wayyyyyyyy smarter than you.  Youre just dumb.  

Just ask him

What the fock is with you? You attack me for giving advice the other day, you continually call me a liar, and now this bullcrap? 
I don’t think I’m smarter than Jerry. I just think he’s wrong about this and sees things too much in a black and white way without nuance. I get that because he reminds me of my own dad. I empathize with Jerry but I think he’s wrong. 

As for you if you want to get in the discussion do so. Make whatever points you want to make. But otherwise stfu. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Real Tim knows better than actual Israelis. Focker is brilliant. I don’t know why he’s wasting his time here. 

I didn’t create any new opinions on this issue. They all come from actual Israelis. 

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Her stupid comments are downright Trumpian.

I am sure that was not an accurate quote.

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10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Real Tim knows better than actual Israelis. Focker is brilliant. I don’t know why he’s wasting his time here. 

He seems to know everyone.  This guy...

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

He seems to know everyone.  This guy...

He’s got some Haitian  neighbors too. 

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What the fock is with you? You attack me for giving advice the other day, you continually call me a liar, and now this bullcrap? 
I don’t think I’m smarter than Jerry. I just think he’s wrong about this and sees things too much in a black and white way without nuance. I get that because he reminds me of my own dad. I empathize with Jerry but I think he’s wrong. 

As for you if you want to get in the discussion do so. Make whatever points you want to make. But otherwise stfu. 

Tim. You are a liar. You have been, you still are and therefore nothing you say can be believed. Ever. Thats why i call you a liar. I unfairly jumped on you for the CMH thread but thats because you are just so unlikable.   Condescending..holier than thou attitude. Always claiming that you know more than others...always.  

As far as the conflict i agree with Jerry and have said so. The only thing Israel's enemy will back down to is force.  Constant and overwhelming.   

I realize you are the expert on this cause of alllll the jews and muslims you are tremendous friends with, but thats just this dumb guys opinion.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s got some Haitian  neighbors too. 

Im sure he has tons of friends near Tampa too.  He will soom tell us what everyone down there is thinking

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Israel has shown that they can launch missiles into Iran that Iran can't detect.  They could destroy every nuclear facility and airstrip in a day if they want.  Tim thinks this is a bad thing.  Nuance.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

She also thinks that printing trillions of dollars and dumping it into the economy lowers inflation, and that giving federal funds to buy houses won't increase housing prices.   

MAGAs got a problem with dumping trillions into the economy now? 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah we’re just not getting anywhere. I didn’t ignore your points; I’ve responded to them before and it didn’t get me anywhere. You and others like you really misunderstand Israel and I don’t believe your misunderstanding is at all helpful to Israel’s security. You’re making Israel less safe IMO. 

Yeah Jerry from FFT is making Isreal less safe. For fok sake get over yourself blowhard. 

They don't love Hamas!!!!

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22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

None of the ones I know approved of October 7. They predicted, correctly, that it would lead to devastation for Gaza. None of them are in love with Hamas or Hezbollah. I asked one of the them the other day, a very smart woman who has worked as a journalist in the region, “why the overwhelming support for Hamas?” She said “because there is no one else. And right now because we are at war and when that happens you support your leaders”. That was not to me a satisfactory answer, because unlike your description of me I do not regard myself as a moral relativist. But I suspect it’s a true one.

@jerryskids I know you disagree with me on this topic. I have come a very long way on my thoughts on this issue. I was raised to believe that Israel were the good guys. I have cousins in the IDF. A very close friend of my dad’s was in the Mossad. My grandmother was a Zionist and on one of the boats that Leon Uris fictionalized when he wrote Exodus. My synagogue has a huge banner on it: “We stand with Israel”. I get it. But my views have definitely changed. I still love and support Israel but I no longer believe it is wise to do so unequivocally. And I strongly resent this push on the right, which you here are partaking in, to lump any questioning of Israeli policy with support of her enemies. It’s really quite insulting. And just stupid. 

Fine.  Then Hamas needs to be finished off and removed from power.  Some civilians will die in this process; that happens in war, especially when the civilians support the enemy leadership, and said leadership sh1ts on the Geneva convention.

The alternative to Kamala is truckloads of money to help Hamas rebuild, and your Palestinian friends continue to justify supporting Hamas, because they are in power and there is noone else.

Feel free to question Israeli policy.  So hey, in your questioning, how do these truckloads of money for Hamas and Hezbollah lead to Hamas being "there is no one else"?