US arrests and Deports Antisemitic Jew Hating Palestinian Student In Columbia University protests against Gaza war

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

I own so many. Can’t keep up. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Like how ICE arrested a Columbia student for not following the party doctrine on Israel?  

If you find the law irritating, contact your elected representative to have it changed.

[squistion 1,942]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If you find the law irritating, contact your elected representative to have it changed.

What law did he break? Is leading activities aligned to Hamas illegal? It does not appear the DHS has defined what exactly they mean by that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj5nlxz44yo

After Mr Khalil's arrest the Department of Homeland Security accused him of "leading activities aligned to Hamas" but did not provide further details.

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16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If you find the law irritating, contact your elected representative to have it changed.

You were saying something about cancelling people for not following the party doctrine. How about arresting and threatening to deport them? 

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2 hours ago, MDC said:

Has the Columbia student been charged with a crime yet?

Disorderly conduct and obstructing governmental administration charges, 11 others were issued summonses, the New York Post reported.

"This is an individual who organized group protests that not only disrupted college campus classes and harassed Jewish American students and made them feel unsafe on their own college campus, but also distributed pro-Hamas propaganda flyers with the logo of Hamas," White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said. 

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

You were saying something about cancelling people for not following the party doctrine. How about arresting and threatening to deport them? 

And refusing them legal counsel?

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

What law did he break? Is leading activities aligned to Hamas illegal? It does not appear the DHS has defined what exactly they mean by that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj5nlxz44yo

After Mr Khalil's arrest the Department of Homeland Security accused him of "leading activities aligned to Hamas" but did not provide further details.

If you intend to go down the path of having me repost the answers already provided....to YOU....already.... in this thread....no, not today sir.

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

You were saying something about cancelling people for not following the party doctrine. How about arresting and threatening to deport them? 

Yes, we will deport terrorists who are non-citizens, whether those terrorist are committing violent acts or just promoting them, 100%.

For those who are citizens, they can see their day in court. 

[squistion 1,942]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

And refusing them legal counsel?

Yes, it is worse than I thought. From the NYT:

Columbia Activist Has Not Been Allowed to Speak Privately With Lawyers.

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes, we will deport terrorists who are non-citizens, whether those terrorist are committing violent acts or just promoting them, 100%.

For those who are citizens, they can see their day in court. 

Since no one has accused this person of terrorism, it looks an awful lot like they’re … cancelling him for not following the party doctrine.  

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20 minutes ago, squistion said:

What law did he break? Is leading activities aligned to Hamas illegal? It does not appear the DHS has defined what exactly they mean by that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj5nlxz44yo

After Mr Khalil's arrest the Department of Homeland Security accused him of "leading activities aligned to Hamas" but did not provide further details.

If that is all DHS says he has done and doesn't give any specifics as what those leading activities were, and what is meant by "aligned to Hamas" then that is clearly a Constitutional due process violation along with not being allowed to talk to his defense counsel. 

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Since no one has accused this person of terrorism, it looks an awful lot like they’re … cancelling him for not following the party doctrine.  

And yet, that is the accusation....awww, you want that to not be true so much.....poor little guy

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And yet, that is the accusation....awww, you want that to not be true so much.....poor little guy

As far as I know, it isn’t. DHS said he was arrested for violating a Trump EO that prohibits “anti-Semitism” and led activities “aligned” to Hamas. So far he hasn’t been charged with anything.

Guess he didn’t follow the party doctrine.  

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, MDC said:

As far as I know, it isn’t. DHS said he was arrested for violating a Trump EO that prohibits “anti-Semitism” and led activities “aligned” to Hamas. So far he hasn’t been charged with anything.

Guess he didn’t follow the party doctrine.  

Here, let me help you a little.  They are using an act of congress to do this, which affords the state dept the latitude to do this.   I know the immediate response is usually Nazi-terrets from the left, but that is not your best approach here.

If you really want to ensure this terrorist can still terrorize, and perhaps even facilitate the murder of, Jews....your better move here is to attack the designation of terrorist.  Not the proper implementation of their authority.

THAT is where you get make some hay.

[squistion 1,942]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

As far as I know, it isn’t. DHS said he was arrested for violating a Trump EO that prohibits “anti-Semitism” and led activities “aligned” to Hamas. So far he hasn’t been charged with anything.

Guess he didn’t follow the party doctrine.  

And the contention seems to be that he doesn't have to be, DHS can just label him a terrorist or aligned to Hamas and deport him on those grounds alone with out having to offer any evidence to a magistrate. That seems pretty clearly a violation of the Constitution. 

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12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Here, let me help you a little.  They are using an act of congress to do this, which affords the state dept the latitude to do this.   I know the immediate response is usually Nazi-terrets from the left, but that is not your best approach here.

If you really want to ensure this terrorist can still terrorize, and perhaps even facilitate the murder of, Jews....your better move here is to attack the designation of terrorist.  Not the proper implementation of their authority.

THAT is where you get make some hay.

Does it afford the state department the right to detain this permanent resident, cancel his green card and deport him? We don’t know. It’s tangled up in court right now.

Given how often you call other people brownshirts and Nazis, It is interesting to see you defend these Gestapo tactics.  

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12 minutes ago, squistion said:

And the contention seems to be that he doesn't have to be, DHS can just label him a terrorist or aligned to Hamas and deport him on those grounds alone with out having to offer any evidence to a magistrate. That seems pretty clearly a violation of the Constitution. 

When the story broke I assumed he’d been loosely involved in directing vandalism or something. So far the feds seem to be implying support for Gaza = support for Hamas = harassment of Jews. Like I said, thought crimes. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Does it afford the state department the right to detain this permanent reident, cancel his green card and deport him? We don’t know. It’s tangled up in court right now.

Given how often you call other people brownshirts and Nazis, It is interesting to see you defend these Gestapo tactics.  

Yes. it does. I posted the Act, and the specific section, in this thread.....

I absolutely call out people being vile, and the correlation between these Liberal allies who promote Anti-Semitism is absolutely Nazi-esque and you know it.  If this were those idiot redneck racists doing it, you would (well, you might not if its not politically useful).....oppose it.

 

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Just now, RLLD said:

Yes. it does. I posted the Act, and the specific section, in this thread.....

I absolutely call out people being vile, and the correlation between these Liberal allies who promote Anti-Semitism is absolutely Nazi-esque and you know it.  If this were those idiot redneck racists doing it, you would (well, you might not if its not politically useful).....oppose it.

 

Like I said, his case is tied up in court so we don’t know. What we do know is that Trump / ICE didn’t detain him for any crime, they did it because he didn’t follow the party doctrine.

As we know Trump is fine with vandalism, trespassing and violence if it follows the party doctrine.  

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28 minutes ago, MDC said:

Does it afford the state department the right to detain this permanent resident, cancel his green card and deport him? We don’t know. It’s tangled up in court right now.

Given how often you call other people brownshirts and Nazis, It is interesting to see you defend these Gestapo tactics.  

It is a McCarthy era Act from1952 designed to deport someone suspected of being a Communist that has rarelly been used, probably not in decades and might not withstand a present day court challenge.

https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-legally-deport-palestinian-rights-advocate-mahmoud-khalil-3-things-to-know-about-green-card-holders-rights-252019

The Trump administration argues that they can deport lawful permanent residents like Khalil under the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, which states that a lawful permanent resident can be deported if the secretary of state has reasonable ground to believe that this person “would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

The Trump administration had initiated deportation proceedings against Khalil on this ground.

U.S. law also provides that any non-citizen can be deported if the secretary of state and the attorney general jointly determine that the person is associated with terrorism, or poses a threat to the U.S. In addition, the law says an immigrant can be deported if they “endorse or espouse terrorist activity or persuades others” to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization.

Still, lawful permanent residents are entitled to certain basic rights, such as retaining a lawyer to represent them in administrative hearings and court before they are deported.

 

 

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Like I said, his case is tied up in court so we don’t know. What we do know is that Trump / ICE didn’t detain him for any crime, they did it because he didn’t follow the party doctrine.

As we know Trump is fine with vandalism, trespassing and violence if it follows the party doctrine.  

It is indeed in court, and I have no issue with that. If the ability of that terrorist to seek a judicial reversal of his fate is available to him, then by all means use it.  He need not be detained for "a crime" that is not how the Act is worded, so that is just irrelevant.

Now, I would hope that ANY person would want this piece of filth gone from our nation, but i also accept that there are those who do not care about others and what can happen to them. 

So.....your issue is then primarily with the Act passed by Congress, and I think that is fair.  Your best bet is to contact your elected representatives and demand they deal with it and fix it. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It is indeed in court, and I have no issue with that. If the ability of that terrorist to seek a judicial reversal of his fate is available to him, then by all means use it.  He need not be detained for "a crime" that is not how the Act is worded, so that is just irrelevant.

Now, I would hope that ANY person would want this piece of filth gone from our nation, but i also accept that there are those who do not care about others and what can happen to them. 

So.....your issue is then primarily with the Act passed by Congress, and I think that is fair.  Your best bet is to contact your elected representatives and demand they deal with it and fix it. 

My issue is with a POTUS selectively invoking this Act to try to deport someone for the “crime” of not supporting the party doctrine. You’d have made a useful idiot for the brownshirts.

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

My issue is with a POTUS selectively invoking this Act to try to deport someone for the “crime” of not supporting the party doctrine. You’d have made a useful idiot for the brownshirts.

Are you trying to sell me that here today....YOU suddenly care about selective accountability?  Well, that is pretty rich.

Later, as they get more of the terrorists, I presume your "concern" will then migrate from this apparent worry for selective enforcement, and then perhaps pretend you care about overall enforcement?  Lets wait and see.

Since the State Dept has the authority, as granted by Congress, I do not see an issue.....yet....and if they were to replicate the improper use of law as was done to Trump, I would of course move my position more into your lane.  That would be nice, right? Your political cult adherence would temporarily align with actual morality. 

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12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Are you trying to sell me that here today....YOU suddenly care about selective accountability?  Well, that is pretty rich.

Later, as they get more of the terrorists, I presume your "concern" will then migrate from this apparent worry for selective enforcement, and then perhaps pretend you care about overall enforcement?  Lets wait and see.

Since the State Dept has the authority, as granted by Congress, I do not see an issue.....yet....and if they were to replicate the improper use of law as was done to Trump, I would of course move my position more into your lane.  That would be nice, right? Your political cult adherence would temporarily align with actual morality. 

They didn’t get any “terrorists” Ray. ICE and the State Department aren’t accusing him of any crimes.

You truly are a useful idiot.  

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9 minutes ago, MDC said:

They didn’t get any “terrorists” Ray. ICE and the State Department aren’t accusing him of any crimes.

You truly are a useful idiot.  

Huh? Wow.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

So are we making believe that he had nothing to do with Hamas? Is that what we’re doing? 

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Protesting Israel = support for Palestinians = support for terrorists.

From the river to the sea … REEEeeee!  

[Voltaire 5,181]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

It is a McCarthy era Act from1952 designed to deport someone suspected of being a Communist that has rarelly been used, probably not in decades and might not withstand a present day court challenge.

https://theconversation.com/can-the-trump-administration-legally-deport-palestinian-rights-advocate-mahmoud-khalil-3-things-to-know-about-green-card-holders-rights-252019

The Trump administration argues that they can deport lawful permanent residents like Khalil under the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, which states that a lawful permanent resident can be deported if the secretary of state has reasonable ground to believe that this person “would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

The Trump administration had initiated deportation proceedings against Khalil on this ground.

U.S. law also provides that any non-citizen can be deported if the secretary of state and the attorney general jointly determine that the person is associated with terrorism, or poses a threat to the U.S. In addition, the law says an immigrant can be deported if they “endorse or espouse terrorist activity or persuades others” to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization.

Still, lawful permanent residents are entitled to certain basic rights, such as retaining a lawyer to represent them in administrative hearings and court before they are deported.

 

 

Thanks.

Looks like they have a legal mechanism to deport him. Dude should have access to a lawyer though. Being such a newsworthy case, I imagine they'd line up to do pro bono work on his behalf.

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34 minutes ago, MDC said:

Protesting Israel = support for Palestinians = support for terrorists.

From the river to the sea … REEEeeee!  

It's perfectly acceptable to advocate for better treatment for Palestinians civilians. I would argue that it's Hamas that gets them killed by using them as human shields and deliberately putting them in harm's way, but whatever.

I don't like how you're downplaying this "From the River to the Sea" chant. That's crossing the line. "Door. Ass. Bye." for this guy.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

After knowing the horrors committed on Oct 7, why anyone would want to be within ten miles of anyone even remotely associated with it is beyond me.  TDS man. Makes you stupid.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

They didn’t get any “terrorists” Ray. ICE and the State Department aren’t accusing him of any crimes.

You truly are a useful idiot.  

Yes, they did get a terrorist.  It is good and just that weak men like you never reach positions of authority.

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41 minutes ago, MDC said:

Protesting Israel = support for Palestinians = support for terrorists.

Chanting "Death to Israel" is a terroristic threat. Were you born yesterday? 

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38 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It's perfectly acceptable to advocate for better treatment for Palestinians civilians. I would argue that it's Hamas that gets them killed by using them as human shields and deliberately putting them in harm's way, but whatever.

I don't like how you're downplaying this "From the River to the Sea" chant. That's crossing the line. "Door. Ass. Bye." for this guy.

As you can see from Ray’s hysterical ramblings, protests of any sort against Israel or in support of Palestinians are de factor support for terrorism, and anyone who takes part in one deserves to be sent to the gulag.  

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

As you can see from Ray’s hysterical ramblings, protests of any sort against Israel or in support of Palestinians are de factor support for terrorism, and anyone who takes part in one deserves to be sent to the gulag.  

He's not being sent to the gulag, he's being deported. Granted, his hometown is a pile of rubble that seems like a gulag, but that's how it goes for them.

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1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

He's not being sent to the gulag, he's being deported.

He’s in a Louisiana detention center while his 8-month pregnant wife is in New York, being denied access to his lawyer and not being charged or even accused of a crime. If you think that’s normal I just don’t know what to tell you.

If he was charged with something I’d get it. He’s being deported for thought crimes.

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s in a Louisiana detention center while his 8-month pregnant wife is in New York, being denied access to his lawyer and not being charged or even accused of a crime. If you think that’s normal I just don’t know what to tell you.

If he was charged with something I’d get it. He’s being deported for thought crimes.

Squistion posted the law that he is being deported under and I quoted it. Given the situation at Columbia, it seems that he almost certainly meets the requirements to get deported. That said, I've seen zero evidence of his personal involvement with harassing and threatening Jewish students. I do know that such harassment IS what is happening at Columbia, and seeing as this guy is in the knee-deep in the middle of the ordeal, they probably have both legal and sensible reasons to deport him.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

 An we stop calling him a student? He’s 31 years old. And has never had a job.

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 An we stop calling him a student? He’s 31 years old. And has never had a job.

It makes sense that he has an identical resume to the vast majority of US citizen 31 year old Democrats.

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39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

He's not being sent to the gulag, he's being deported. Granted, his hometown is a pile of rubble that seems like a gulag, but that's how it goes for them.

To me that's kind of the point.  He's here as a courtesy of the US, a privilege.  Regardless of whether the crime is tresspass for the Columbia incidents or supporting a terrorist organization, one would think he would be more appreciative and not commit crimes and expect to be allowed to stay.  He's not merely spoken dissent at a protest as some here want to make it out to be like he's a member of the crowd who marched a bit then went home.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Liberals are ok with these sadistic barbarians bringing their ancient feud to our doorstep. Never mind their designs on conquering us by breeding like animals.