US arrests and Deports Antisemitic Jew Hating Palestinian Student In Columbia University protests against Gaza war

[RLLD 4,187]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

I am sure they will be deporting more but they will have to follow due process with those also. 

Which.....is what they have already done.   You see, YOU....might insist that a court needs to be involved, but that is not the case.  So sure, they will follow the same process as they have been authorized, without a court....

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Which.....is what they have already done.   You see, YOU....might insist that a court needs to be involved, but that is not the case.  So sure, they will follow the same process as they have been authorized, without a court....

You just can't grab somebody and deport them because you feel like it, the government has to prove their allegations if challenged by an attorney representing the deportee in a court of law. Yes, the deporation will in all probability still take place, but due process must be followed before that can be done.

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Just now, squistion said:

You just can't grab somebody and deport them because you feel like it, the government has to prove their allegations if challenged by an attorney representing the deportee in a court of law. Yes, the deporation will in all probability still take place, but due process must be followed until that can be done.

Actually, you can. There is legislation that affords that authority to the secretary of state.

Do not confuse these guests, here because we are gracious and kind, to our own citizens......   the state department.....CAN....AND WILL....."grab somebody and deport them" if that person is deemed to have met the criteria.

Its just that simple.   The terrorists have gotten a little too comfortable spewing hate ad violence.....and because of that they are now exposed.

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2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Do you have any links to acts of violence or vandalism that Khalil committed? I haven't followed this closely as I don't normally GAF what happens on the campuses of Ivy League schools unless we're talking about secret societies.

Your second comment was amusing for me. Protestors at colleges are typically college students, and college students are young and dumb. I thought a lot of stupid shlt when I was that age, and so did you. It's not hard to condemn Hamas or Israel for their actions against the other, but youngsters aren't usually adept at nuance so they latch onto what they understand without regard to what they don't. Sadly plenty of people never grow out of that tendency. Also, your statement re: antifa and Soros is obviously unverifiable BS. Did you make that up from whole cloth, or did you "hear it" somewhere?

Made it up. That's why I said "I'd guess..."

I'm at the Dbacks v Royals spring training game, first pitch soon. No more swordfighting for me today.

 

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47 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Actually, you can. There is legislation that affords that authority to the secretary of state.

Do not confuse these guests, here because we are gracious and kind, to our own citizens......   the state department.....CAN....AND WILL....."grab somebody and deport them" if that person is deemed to have met the criteria.

Its just that simple.   The terrorists have gotten a little too comfortable spewing hate ad violence.....and because of that they are now exposed.

Which may not withstand a court challenge in a situation such as this case.

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Just now, squistion said:

Which may not withstand a court challenge in a situation such as this case.

It will, it has in the past, SCOTUS has already ruled on it.  Its the only move they have, and I get why they are doing it.  I hope DHS waits on the remaining arrests until this is mitigated, so they can more easily remove the rest of the scum

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It will, it has in the past, SCOTUS has already ruled on it.  Its the only move they have, and I get why they are doing it.  I hope DHS waits on the remaining arrests until this is mitigated, so they can more easily remove the rest of the scum

Did they rule that the SOS did not have to abide by due process?

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Did they rule that the SOS did not have to abide by due process?

The "due process" to which you refer, is for American citizens, since these people are NOT.....American citizens, no....they do not have all the right and privileges you think the world has....

The process being followed by the SOS....is "THE PROCESS" which does not include a court room.  You may not like that, so perhaps contact your elected representative to have them amend it....which has happened in the past....to improve it.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The "due process" to which you refer, is for American citizens, since these people are NOT.....American citizens, no....they do not have all the right and privileges you think the world has....

The process being followed by the SOS....is "THE PROCESS" which does not include a court room.  You may not like that, so perhaps contact your elected representative to have them amend it....which has happened in the past....to improve it.

Not true. Due process under the law applies to everyone under the jurisdiction of the United States and it is not restricted to American Citizens. 

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not true. Due process under the law applies to everyone under the jurisdiction of the United States and it is not restricted to American Citizens. 

Incorrect.  The law lays out the authority of the Dept of State in these instances, so they are exercising that authority.

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Just now, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  The law lays out the authority of the Dept of State in these instances, so they are exercising that authority.

You realize you're just going round in circles with that idiot, right?  He never educates himself.  He doesn't care to be educated.  He just spouts bullsh*t as if it has any basis in fact - rinse and repeat. 

I just don't get how some people WANT people like this in our country.  It's disgusting.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

You realize you're just going round in circles with that idiot, right?  He never educates himself.  He doesn't care to be educated.  He just spouts bullsh*t as if it has any basis in fact - rinse and repeat. 

I just don't get how some people WANT people like this in our country.  It's disgusting.

I realize it to an extent.  But I have to believe that moderately intelligent people CAN eventually hit that "aha" moment, and maybe grow past the indoctrination.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  The law lays out the authority of the Dept of State in these instances, so they are exercising that authority.

The law allows the SOS to not have to abide by Due Process under the law as required by the Constitution?

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

The law allows the SOS to not have to abide by Due Process under the law as required by the Constitution?

The law allows the capture and deportation of non-citizens, based on the criteria already noted. They have only acted within that authority.  Your issue is not with me, or the state dept....your issue is with those folks who approved this authority for the state dept.

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4 minutes ago, squistion said:

The law allows the SOS to not have to abide by Due Process under the law as required by the Constitution?

He’s still in the country awaiting being brought in front of a judge. How much due process would you like? 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

The law allows the capture and deportation of non-citizens, based on the criteria already noted. They have only acted within that authority.  Your issue is not with me, or the state dept....your issue is with those folks who approved this authority for the state dept.

Sorry, I don't believe the SOS has the power to deport someone here a on student visa or who has a Green Card just on a whim without adhering to due process. You're claiming he has the power to do that but I am not going to take just your word for it. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Sorry, I don't believe the SOS has the power to deport someone here a on student visa or who has a Green Card just on a whim without adhering to due process. You're claiming he has the power to do that but I am not going to take just your word for it. 

I get that. I posted the Act of Congress along with the important clarifying section, but you dont want that to be true, so you do the metaphorical holding of breath and crossing of arms.

All good.   Does not change anything.   Dept of State will get rid of this piece of garbage.....and then move on to many....many, more.    And I will delight in every....single.....second....of it

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7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I get that. I posted the Act of Congress along with the important clarifying section, but you dont want that to be true, so you do the metaphorical holding of breath and crossing of arms.

All good.   Does not change anything.   Dept of State will get rid of this piece of garbage.....and then move on to many....many, more.    And I will delight in every....single.....second....of it

And if challenged on it in a court of law they will still have to prove they had a valid reason to grab somebody of the street, otherwise those who are completely innocent could deported for no reason at all and would have no recourse, that is what due process is about.

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6 minutes ago, squistion said:

And if challenged on it in a court of law they will still have to prove they had a valid reason to grab somebody of the street, otherwise those who are completely innocent could deported for no reason at all and would have no recourse, that is what due process is about.

Sure, I expect a court challenge..of course....Democrats have turned the entire legal system into a weapon to serve their ideology.  So let them have at it.  DHS has the evidence thanks to the piece of filth terrorist himself who made sure everyone knew he was involved through social media....

So all good.....and later, when we start piling up more deportations, maybe they try as well....dont care, as long as these pieces of filth get gone....

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Sure, I expect a court challenge..of course....Democrats have turned the entire legal system into a weapon to serve their ideology.  So let them have at it.  DHS has the evidence thanks to the piece of filth terrorist himself who made sure everyone knew he was involved through social media....

So all good.....and later, when we start piling up more deportations, maybe they try as well....dont care, as long as these pieces of filth get gone....

I fail to see DHS has the evidence from what has been alleged so far against Khalil Mahmood and his supporters agree including Congresswoman Rashida Talib:

https://x.com/RepRashida/status/1899474793553875255

I'm joining 13 of my colleagues to demand that the Trump Administration immediately releases Mahmoud Khalil. Their illegal actions set a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow them to shred our constitutional rights to free speech and due process. Free Mahmoud Khalil. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

I fail to see DHS has the evidence from what has been alleged so far against Khalil Mahmood and his supporters agree including Congresswoman Rashida Talib:

https://x.com/RepRashida/status/1899474793553875255

I'm joining 13 of my colleagues to demand that the Trump Administration immediately releases Mahmoud Khalil. Their illegal actions set a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow them to shred our constitutional rights to free speech and due process. Free Mahmoud Khalil. 

So, if YOU dont see it, it simply cannot be there.

Pardon me if I find your assessment of the situation to be......suspect.......

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50 pct of students at Columbia are here on visas. Why? 

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12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So, if YOU dont see it, it simply cannot be there.

Pardon me if I find your assessment of the situation to be......suspect.......

All we have are these allegations against him that are vague, unsupported, and nothing has been proven. He has not been charged with breaking any law. There has to be some claim that he has done something illegal, besides just exercising his right of free speech. Otherwise it is a violation of due process to deport him just because Trump and Rubio feel like it and you don't seem to get that fundamental legal concept.

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8 minutes ago, squistion said:

All we have are these allegations against him that are vague, unsupported, and nothing has been proven. He has not been charged with breaking any law. There has to be some claim that he has done something illegal, besides just exercising his right of free speech. Otherwise it is a violation of due process to deport him just because Trump and Rubio feel like it and you don't seem to get that fundamental legal concept.

Not vague, rather clear.  This is true thanks to the allowance for these people to be as vile as they please by these universities.   They got a little too comfortable being open and loud about what they believe and their activities.   So thanks to their sense of safety afforded to them, they have given enough to get rid of them.

 

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13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not vague, rather clear.  This is true thanks to the allowance for these people to be as vile as they please by these universities.   They got a little too comfortable being open and loud about what they believe and their activities.   So thanks to their sense of safety afforded to them, they have given enough to get rid of them.

Supporting Hamas and distributing pro-Hamas propaganda is not vague? Sure seems that way and without defining what exactly they mean by that, it is vague (anyone going to pro-Palestinian rally or handling out a pamphlet could be deported based on that alone)

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Just now, squistion said:

Supporting Hamas and distributing pro-Hamas propaganda is not vague? Sure seems that way and without defining what exactly they mean by that, it is vague (anyone going to pro-Palestinian rally or handling out a pamphlet could be deported based on that alone)

Not vague in the least.  Its all that is needed to get rid of that piece of crap. And to your further point, anyone else who was distributing that filth, and is our guest here.....they should be gone too....as many as we can find.

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15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not vague in the least.  Its all that is needed to get rid of that piece of crap. And to your further point, anyone else who was distributing that filth, and is our guest here.....they should be gone too....as many as we can find.

So are you saying that anyone who goes to a pro-Palestine student rally or who distributes a pamphlet supporting Palestine should be deported too? Really? Those activities by themselves pretty clearly fall under the protection of the first amendment. 

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

So are you saying that anyone who goes to a pro-Palestine student rally or who distributes a pamphlet supporting Palestine should be deported too? Really? Those activities by themselves pretty clearly fall under the protection of the first amendment. 

Ahhh, a clever manipulation there, I would normally let it slide...but you already told me you know and understand the distribution of Hamas material was in play....so your ruse here to now pretend we had NOT established that standard is absolutely not going to work.   

That trick might work on others, but your strawman will never get past me, so dont even bother.

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

I fail to see DHS has the evidence from what has been alleged so far against Khalil Mahmood and his supporters agree including Congresswoman Rashida Talib:

https://x.com/RepRashida/status/1899474793553875255

I'm joining 13 of my colleagues to demand that the Trump Administration immediately releases Mahmoud Khalil. Their illegal actions set a dangerous precedent. We cannot allow them to shred our constitutional rights to free speech and due process. Free Mahmoud Khalil. 

So we have Tlaib and only 13 others out of the whole caucus?  That must be some motley crew.  I haven't looked yet but I'll bet my house that includes the likes of Ilhan Omar, Pressley, and our newest Gong Show contestant, Al Green.  

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10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Ahhh, a clever manipulation there, I would normally let it slide...but you already told me you know and understand the distribution of Hamas material was in play....so your ruse here to now pretend we had NOT established that standard is absolutely not going to work.   

That trick might work on others, but your strawman will never get past me, so dont even bother.

There is Hamas material and there is Hamas material and this material in play could be rather innocuous (just saying "Free Palestine" or something along those lines). 

So until we can get some specfics as to what exactly was said we must give Khalil Mahmood, or anyone else, the benefit of the doubt that this is not supporting terrorism and does not merit deportation. And a court should determine the validity of the governments reasons for deportation if challenged on it, rather than just rubber stamping the process (mistakes could be made, no?)

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Just now, squistion said:

There is Hamas material and there is Hamas material and this material in play could be rather innocuous (just saying "Free Palestine" or something along those lines). 

So until we can get some specfics as to what exactly was said we must give Khalil Mahmood, or anyone else, the benefit of the doubt that this is not supporting terrorism and does not merit deportation. And a court should determine the validity of the governments reasons for deportation if challenged on it, rather than just rubber stamping the process (mistakes could be made, no?)

Nope, not going to accept that.  I do not consent to materials from Hamas....Hexbollah....Islamid Jihad.....the aryan brotherood....none of them....

He gets no benefit of the doubt, he has aligned with terrorists, fock him.

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Just now, RLLD said:

Nope, not going to accept that.  I do not consent to materials from Hamas....Hexbollah....Islamid Jihad.....the aryan brotherood....none of them....

He gets no benefit of the doubt, he has aligned with terrorists, fock him.

I think the evidence needs to be more exact for the courts than for your personal assessment. Frankly I don’t trust your judgment on this. You have shown yourself in the past to be all too willing to accept conservative propaganda that has very little basis in reality (such as the Hunter Biden stuff, to cite one example of many.) 

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Nope, not going to accept that.  I do not consent to materials from Hamas....Hexbollah....Islamid Jihad.....the aryan brotherood....none of them....

He gets no benefit of the doubt, he has aligned with terrorists, fock him.

That is absurd that anyone who attends a pro-Palestinian rally or hands out a pamphlet is alligned with terrorists.

 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think the evidence needs to be more exact for the courts than for your personal assessment. Frankly I don’t trust your judgment on this. You have shown yourself in the past to be all too willing to accept conservative propaganda that has very little basis in reality (such as the Hunter Biden stuff, to cite one example of many.) 

Potentially, it might be different from anything we presume.

I mean, based on the precedent established by  Harisiades v. Shaughnessy (1952), where the Supreme Court upheld the deportation of legal residents due to past membership in the Communist Party, ruling that such deportations did not violate constitutional protections it could be true that this is not going to be really that easy for the terrorist to win here. 

 

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5 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is absurd that anyone who attends a pro-Palestinian rally or hands out a pamphlet is alligned with terrorists.

 

Not if they are handing out pamphlets for Hamas, then they are handing out terrorist materials.....we dont want people handing out support materials for terrorists.

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not if they are handing out pamphlets for Hamas, then they are handing out terrorist materials.....we dont want people handing out support materials for terrorists.

Without seeing what the phamphlets say exactly, we dont know that and can't take your or anyone else's word for it.

You remind me of someone ranting about supporting Communism during the McCarthy era. 

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Potentially, it might be different from anything we presume.

I mean, based on the precedent established by  Harisiades v. Shaughnessy (1952), where the Supreme Court upheld the deportation of legal residents due to past membership in the Communist Party, ruling that such deportations did not violate constitutional protections it could be true that this is not going to be really that easy for the terrorist to win here. 

 

That was a bad decision made at the height of the McCarthy era. Most legal scholars regard it as a low moment for the court. 

Even so the issues there were far more clear-cut. The subject wasn’t merely sympathetic to Communism or even distributing Communist propaganda; he was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. If you could prove that Khalil is actually a member of Hamas you would have a much stronger case (which I might even agree with.) 

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Just now, squistion said:

Without seeing what the phamphlets say exactly, we dont know that and can't take your or anyone else's word for it.

You remind me of someone raving about supporting Communism during the McCarthy era. 

Your apparent concern for evidence is curious, are we to now presume you no longer trust DHS?  Is this for real? 

Lets table that for a moment.  Is it then YOUR position, that these protestors are just "good people" standing up peacefully for something they beleive, and have NOT handed out terrorist materials....which they have already admitted to doing?

Why in gods name....would you protect these vile people, who want to murder all jews? I mean, the last group of people who came together to do that were sort of a problem....are you aligning with that now?

Or are you just pretending to be argumentative?

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

That was a bad decision made at the height of the McCarthy era. Most legal scholars regard it as a low moment for the court. 

Even so the issues there were far more clear-cut. The subject wasn’t merely sympathetic to Communism or even distributing Communist propaganda; he was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. If you could prove that Khalil is actually a member of Hamas you would have a much stronger case (which I might even agree with.) 

I tend to concur with your assessment of it.  That being said, the state department has the authority.....and more importantly....the obligation to protect us from people just like this. I demand they do their job, and get rid of these terrorist supporters.  They are not who we are, they are filth.

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Just now, RLLD said:

Your apparent concern for evidence is curious, are we to now presume you no longer trust DHS?  Is this for real? 

Lets table that for a moment.  Is it then YOUR position, that these protestors are just "good people" standing up peacefully for something they beleive, and have NOT handed out terrorist materials....which they have already admitted to doing?

Why in gods name....would you protect these vile people, who want to murder all jews? I mean, the last group of people who came together to do that were sort of a problem....are you aligning with that now?

Or are you just pretending to be argumentative?

Um, no, they have not admited that they have handed out terrorist materials...lol