Daniel Jones to Indy

[Ray_T 739]

to compete with Richardson for the starting job.

wow, I never saw this one coming

[weepaws 3,152]

They will need both, Richardson will never be able to play a full season.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

to compete with Richardson for the starting job.

wow, I never saw this one coming

Richardson is out of a job. He can't beat out Danny Dimes in Camp. 

Bye bye Anthony! 

[weepaws 3,152]

34 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Richardson is out of a job. He can't beat out Danny Dimes in Camp. 

Bye bye Anthony! 

Agreed. Richardson can’t pass. 

[Ray_T 739]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Richardson is out of a job. He can't beat out Danny Dimes in Camp. 

Bye bye Anthony! 

part of Danny dimes problem was a bad o line in New York.

It wouldnt surprise me to find out he can actually perform better in this offense.   The only question is, is that good enough?    That still remains to be seen.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

part of Danny dimes problem was a bad o line in New York.

It wouldnt surprise me to find out he can actually perform better in this offense.   The only question is, is that good enough?    That still remains to be seen.

I agree. I think Dimes was handed a bag of shizz in NY. The Indy offense is based on quick reads and getting rid of the ball fast. Richardson cannot process, there's no way he beats Dimes out. 

[Ray_T 739]

21 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I agree. I think Dimes was handed a bag of shizz in NY. The Indy offense is based on quick reads and getting rid of the ball fast. Richardson cannot process, there's no way he beats Dimes out. 

That whole offense has been badly mismanaged in New york since they Drafted him

and honestly they drafted/signed well regarded O line guys gut they never panned out.   I dont think that was a drafting issue, I suspect it was more of a player development issue and possibly a coaching issue.

dont get me wrong I still think there are things that he could have done better, but I also think the team didnt give him a reasonable chance to be the best version of himself either.

It is now to a point where  they may have ruined him as a player but hes still shown flashes from time to time, so I think its a good gamble.  if he doesnt win the starting job, he will just be a high priced backup.   Realistically I think he throws a more accurate ball than Richardson does but hes not quite as good at running with the ball.

That said, the O line there is miles ahead of where the O line was in New York so I suspect hes gonna look better there if he wins the starting job.

if he does win the starting Job I'd consider picking him up in my superflex league.   I'd probably be able to get him as my QB3.    I think he does have the upside where that is potentially a bargain.    I fully agree hes boom or bust, but as a QB3 you likely cannot find better upside than what he provides.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 minute ago, Ray_T said:

That said, the O line there is miles ahead of where the O line was in New York so I suspect hes gonna look better there if he wins the starting job.

It's a really decent offense, especially if they add Warren or Loveland 

[Ray_T 739]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It's a really decent offense, especially if they add Warren or Loveland 

I actually like the WR there.

The offense will actually be balanced with multiple good pass catchers.    This actually plays to Jones skillset more as teams cant just double cover his #1 WR.   so if he properly goes through his progressions he should put up better numbers.   It is not a given that he beats out Richardson.   but if it happens, he might be a nice late pick in a superflex format.

 

if your league only starts one QB he will continue to be irrelevant other than maybe a matchup play to cover a bye week or injury.

[weepaws 3,152]

And those WRs will be happy to have a Qb that can complete a forward pass. 

[Ray_T 739]

they could have kept Flacco.  hes cheaper.  possibly better.  

but that's not the sexy play.

[weepaws 3,152]

30 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

they could have kept Flacco.  hes cheaper.  possibly better.  

but that's not the sexy play.

Not the smart play.   

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Trying to trade Danny Dimes in a Superflex Dynasty League. He should get me at least a 2nd round pick. 

[LaChup 228]

Adonai Mitchell is going to be a fantasy monster. 

Think Malik Nabers without the targets or receptions.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 hours ago, LaChup said:

Adonai Mitchell is going to be a fantasy monster. 

Think Malik Nabers without the targets or receptions.

Haha!!!!  

[Gepetto 1,288]

8 hours ago, LaChup said:

Adonai Mitchell is going to be a fantasy monster. 

Think Malik Nabers without the targets or receptions.

For a second I thought you actually thought Adonai Mitchell was going to have a good 2025 season. haha. Good post!

[kilroy69 1,215]

On 3/11/2025 at 3:34 PM, Ray_T said:

part of Danny dimes problem was a bad o line in New York.

It wouldnt surprise me to find out he can actually perform better in this offense.   The only question is, is that good enough?    That still remains to be seen.

I remember watching a game where he was sacked like 11 times. I feel like that game broke him as a giant. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,481]

Daniel Jones is an adequate starter on a bad team, a good backup on a good team.  Richardson is at best a 3rd string/wildcat/gimmick player, so Jones is clearly an upgrade.

[Ray_T 739]

6 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I remember watching a game where he was sacked like 11 times. I feel like that game broke him as a giant. 

there is also the possibility it broke him as a pro QB too.

when your young QB are under fire to this degree, you can sometimes ruin your young prospect this way.

 

[kilroy69 1,215]

22 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

there is also the possibility it broke him as a pro QB too.

when your young QB are under fire to this degree, you can sometimes ruin your young prospect this way.

 

For sure. He saw ghosts in the pocket after that. 

[Ray_T 739]

15 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

For sure. He saw ghosts in the pocket after that. 

if he cant get over that he becomes a career backup.   but if he can, he could still be good.   Indy has a good line so if he cant get it done there, he cant get it done anywhere

 

[LaChup 228]

If he can somehow correct his cross eyes, he would have 1/2 as many receivers to throw to. Maybe this would help him narrow down who is open and who is not.

[TBayXXXVII 2,481]

18 hours ago, LaChup said:

If he can somehow correct his cross eyes, he would have 1/2 as many receivers to throw to. Maybe this would help him narrow down who is open and who is not.

I'd suggest LASIK like Winston, but we saw how that worked out.

[jbycho 580]

Richardson will be fine. He needs a little backup time.

 Jones is a gap fill. 

[weepaws 3,152]

7 hours ago, jbycho said:

Richardson will be fine. He needs a little backup time.

 Jones is a gap fill. 

Yeah, I think Jones is a gap fill, but it’s not for Richardson.  I don’t think Richardson will be a regular full time starter.  Jones is the better Qb on the Colts right now.  

[Showboat 252]

It will be interesting to see how Richardson responds to competition from Dimes.  I think everyone knew his development at QB was going to be a bit of a project, yet the Colts drafted him at #4 overall based on his athleticism and potential (which has flashed at times).  Even "NFL-ready" QB prospects often need a season or two to adjust.  I think the only way Richardson doesn't start for the Colts this season is if he shows absolutely no progress or improvement.

[Ray_T 739]

52 minutes ago, Showboat said:

It will be interesting to see how Richardson responds to competition from Dimes.  I think everyone knew his development at QB was going to be a bit of a project, yet the Colts drafted him at #4 overall based on his athleticism and potential (which has flashed at times).  Even "NFL-ready" QB prospects often need a season or two to adjust.  I think the only way Richardson doesn't start for the Colts this season is if he shows absolutely no progress or improvement.

agreed.

I think its still Richardsons job to lose.   but I think the colts are losing patience with him.

at the end of the day, they may also need to de-program Danny dimes from his time in New York.   whether that takes a month or a year remains to be seen.

but if Danny dimes is clearly the better QB in camp, I do think they will consider giving him the job.    if its close, I think Richardson retains his job but will go into the season on a short leash.  If he starts poorly, he will be quickly replaced

[weepaws 3,152]

Unless Jones is hurt, or the Colts are to prideful, Jones is the game one starter.  And he’s going into a good situation, and I’ll be rising my stock a little on Pittman.  I think he’s going to benefit the most of all their WRs.   

[Ray_T 739]

19 hours ago, weepaws said:

Unless Jones is hurt, or the Colts are to prideful, Jones is the game one starter.  And he’s going into a good situation, and I’ll be rising my stock a little on Pittman.  I think he’s going to benefit the most of all their WRs.   

I dont disagree, but I wouldnt underestimate the loyalty of management in this case.   They drafted Richardson and he was their guy.   by replacing him they would have to admit they botched the pick.

management does not generally like to admit when they have made a mistake, so I think they will give Richardson every chance to keep his job and prove that he wasnt a bad choice.

this is why I think Danny Dimes cant just be slightly better than Richardson to get the starting job.   he needs to be significantly better.

this is just as much about whether managment will swallow their pride and move on from a guy that they were sure would be their franchise QB.   Its not as simple as saying Jones is better.  He may be.... but to win the starting job he needs to not only be better.... he needs to be significantly better.

Not saying it wont happen.  but I'm saying its still Richardsons job to lose until we know otherwise.     good news, you can likely get jones for cheap in all formats.   so if you believe in him, the cost of betting on him is very low.   I may even take a shot myself in my superflex auction league.    if he has yet to be declared the starter at the time of my draft, he would probably be the best #4 QB a guy could ask for.   lol

[weepaws 3,152]

If Richardson gets the job, he’s going to be over drafted once again in ff.  

If Jones wins, and he will, Jones will be a very good streamer imo.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

16 hours ago, weepaws said:

If Richardson gets the job, he’s going to be over drafted once again in ff.  

He will get the job, but can he keep it? 

Richardson would have to fail miserably one last time before Indy moves on from him. They have too much invested. 

[weepaws 3,152]

6 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He will get the job, but can he keep it? 

Richardson would have to fail miserably one last time before Indy moves on from him. They have too much invested. 

I think that the pride of the organization will make that mistake.   But Jones is the better Qb, and can produce will the talent around him.  

[Ray_T 739]

7 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He will get the job, but can he keep it? 

Richardson would have to fail miserably one last time before Indy moves on from him. They have too much invested. 

 

53 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I think that the pride of the organization will make that mistake.   But Jones is the better Qb, and can produce will the talent around him.  

both of you are right.  the pride of the organization will make that decision.  whether it is a mistake still remains to be seen.   but I remember having this exact conversation about Hurts and then one day it all clicked for him and we were all eating our words.

obviously this is not the exact same situation but both he and Hurts at this point in their careers had questions so I dont think they are ready to give up on him yet.

I think he gets at least one more good shot to keep his job.

after that, it really depends on a lot of things.   such as how well jones plays once he gets into the starting lineup.   if he lights it up, Richardson likely goes on the block.

if he is mediocre, Richardson likely gets another kick at it.