The Democrat Party Dilemma

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Dems’ own polling shows massive brand problem ahead of 2026

BLUF: The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil.  As a result their base is now heavily imbued with this mentality, which means they cannot ever cooperate with others(Republicans) because their base reviles any cooperation with the evil others.  This position loses them centrists who instead drift toward Republicans. Eroding their power access.

Its a fascinating problem.

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19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil. 

This Is true of both parties.

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

This Is true of both parties.

No, it really is not. I think there are those one both sides who hold such views.  But Republicans do not made the "other side" some great evil as Democrats have done.  That is why we see some defections from the liberal side resulting in being added to the Republican.

By using this tactic of "they are all so evil" they have effectively removed opportunities for collaboration.   Which moves centrists away from them, and if they do not stick to it, they lose their base....its a problem

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

This Is true of both parties.

The crux of politics - accuse the other side of being something without recognizing that your own party is guilty of the same thing as well. Lots of posters on both sides here guilty of that. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

No, it really is not. I think there are those one both sides who hold such views.  But Republicans do not made the "other side" some great evil as Democrats have done.  That is why we see some defections from the liberal side resulting in being added to the Republican.

By using this tactic of "they are all so evil" they have effectively removed opportunities for collaboration.   Which moves centrists away from them, and if they do not stick to it, they lose their base....its a problem

I'd suggest you go use the search function on the forum and look up the multitude of threads posted calling people on the left pedophiles, groomers, creeps, etc.....

 

And I'm not saying Democrats don't throw stupid terms at Republicans- just saying it is insane to pretend like Republicans don't do the same. 

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, it really is not. I think there are those one both sides who hold such views.  But Republicans do not made the "other side" some great evil as Democrats have done.  That is why we see some defections from the liberal side resulting in being added to the Republican.

By using this tactic of "they are all so evil" they have effectively removed opportunities for collaboration.   Which moves centrists away from them, and if they do not stick to it, they lose their base....its a problem

Psychiatrists should study you - I think they might name a self-delusional disorder after you.

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CUMMING, Ga. — Former President Donald Trump doubled down Tuesday on his remarks over the weekend referring to Democrats as the “enemy from within.”

During a taped town hall of all-women voters in Cumming, Georgia, with Fox News’ Harris Faulkner, the host asked Trump about his “enemy from within” comment, which he made during the network’s “Sunday Morning Futures” this past weekend. 

During that interview, Trump told host Maria Bartiromo that California Rep. Adam Schiff and other Democrats were “lunatics” and a bigger threat to the U.S. than foreign adversaries like Russia or China.

“I always say, we have two enemies,” Trump said, adding: “We have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within, and the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia and all these countries.”

He also suggested that the military could be called in to handle any unrest on Election Day from "radical left lunatics."

Trump doubled down on those comments during his Tuesday night town hall, also calling Democrats “evil” and “dangerous.”

“They’re Marxists and communists and fascists, and they’re sick,” Trump added. “We have China, we have Russia, we have all these countries. If you have a smart president, they can all be handled. The more difficult are, you know, the Pelosis, these people, they’re so sick and they’re so evil,” Trump said.

 

 

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Psychiatrists should study you - I think they might name a self-delusional disorder after you.

 

 

Yeah, but other than the President...nobody in the Republican party is calling the Democrats "evil".

I'm sure RLLD will tell you it's all made up because he has no awareness whatsoever. 

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4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Yeah, but other than the President...nobody in the Republican party is calling the Democrats "evil".

I'm sure RLLD will tell you it's all made up because he has no awareness whatsoever. 

Other than the media outlets that cater to the right-wing viewers and the actual people who vote...but yeah, other than that, it's nobody. 

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10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'd suggest you go use the search function on the forum and look up the multitude of threads posted calling people on the left pedophiles, groomers, creeps, etc.....

 

And I'm not saying Democrats don't throw stupid terms at Republicans- just saying it is insane to pretend like Republicans don't do the same. 

I think ignoring the problem, like pointing elsewhere to suggest ...."but them too!"....when it is the Democrat party facing the problem, not the Republicans suggests that you may not be ready to fix the problem

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9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Psychiatrists should study you - I think they might name a self-delusional disorder after you.

 

Look, ignore it all you want.  Polling is telling us what is transpiring.  Now, you can just pretend its not happening....like you pretended that Russian Collusion was real.....Biden was mentally fit.....the laptop was Russian propaganda.....inflation was not reall....errr....then "transitory"......pretend to your heats content, it brought you to this point....

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People look the liberal male and see them always on the side of the criminal, the pervert and every other degenerate out there and are repulsed by their lack of courage to stand in defiance of those types of people and behaviors. 

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think ignoring the problem, like pointing elsewhere to suggest ...."but them too!"....when it is the Democrat party facing the problem, not the Republicans suggests that you may not be ready to fix the problem

Nobody is arguing that the Democratic Party has a problem. We’re saying your claim that they  call the other side “evil” is equally true of the right wing, as we see at the GC every day. Including your numerous posts comparing liberals to Nazis and brownshirts. 

I can’t tell if you’re really this self blind or if this is some kind of performance art.  

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That is one of their problems. The other big problem I see is that they have actively went out of their way to make sure straight males know they are not wanted. Not needed.  They planned to replace the straight non beta males with the left wing progressives of the party. The LGBTQ crowd was going to make up for our loss. Turns out that was a bunch of liberal dreaming. NOW they are making an attempt to get us back. Why would we ever help a party that treated us like that? I was an independent with democratic leanings. I voted for Obama and his turn in the party broke me. I swore I would never vote democrat again. I did not vote FOR Trump in the last election. I voted against the democrats, and I plan on doing that the rest of my life.   

 

ANY male that is a democrat is a beta male. Just a blind cuck follower that likely goes home at night to watch another dude bang his wife. 

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Look, ignore it all you want.  Polling is telling us what is transpiring.  Now, you can just pretend its not happening....like you pretended that Russian Collusion was real.....Biden was mentally fit.....the laptop was Russian propaganda.....inflation was not reall....errr....then "transitory"......pretend to your heats content, it brought you to this point....

I noticed you completely ignored that the standard bearer of the GOP doing exactly what you said they don't do, that's what I noticed. 

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think ignoring the problem, like pointing elsewhere to suggest ...."but them too!"....when it is the Democrat party facing the problem, not the Republicans suggests that you may not be ready to fix the problem

Because you missed this sentence- I will say it again:

 

And I'm not saying Democrats don't throw stupid terms at Republicans- just saying it is insane to pretend like Republicans don't do the same. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Nobody is arguing that the Democratic Party has a problem. We’re saying your claim that they  call the other side “evil” is equally true of the right wing, as we see at the GC every day. Including your numerous posts comparing liberals to Nazis and brownshirts. 

I can’t tell if you’re really this self blind or if this is some kind of performance art.  

But the polling bears my assertion out.  They poll low because they want more opposition to Trump.  But Trump has latched on to the 80% side of every issue, so their simple opposition results in more centrists moving away.

The Republicans dont have this problem, so simply replying "yeah, but Republicans too" is a complete cop out.....

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3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I noticed you completely ignored that the standard bearer of the GOP doing exactly what you said they don't do, that's what I noticed. 

Trying to ignore your problem through some deflection toward the other folks....who do not have your problem......will only ensure the continuance....of your problem

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3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Because you missed this sentence- I will say it again:

 

And I'm not saying Democrats don't throw stupid terms at Republicans- just saying it is insane to pretend like Republicans don't do the same. 

If.......Republicans had the same problem......then.....your pointless redirection would have merit.....but since ONLY.....the Demorats....have the problem right now....you might understand why the deflection is a big cop out

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Trying to ignore your problem through some deflection toward the other folks....who do not have your problem......will only ensure the continuance....of your problem

All I did was respond to a statement you made. You ignoring your false reality you have created......will only ensure the continuance....of your problem

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But the polling bears my assertion out.  They poll low because they want more opposition to Trump.  But Trump has latched on to the 80% side of every issue, so their simple opposition results in more centrists moving away.

The Republicans dont have this problem, so simply replying "yeah, but Republicans too" is a complete cop out.....

No one is arguing that the Democratic Party doesn’t have a problem. I’m saying your claim that they call the other side “evil” is equally true of the GOP. That might be why the public holds politics in general in low regard, but it’s not a uniquely Democrat problem.

I’d post you some links of GC righties calling Dems/liberals evil, including your own numerous posts comparing them to brownshirts. But I see you ignored @Mike Honcho’s quotes from the Republicans POTUS doing exactly what you accuse Dems of doing. 

So, I assume more facts would be wasted on you.

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2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

All I did was respond to a statement you made. You ignoring your false reality you have created......will only ensure the continuance....of your problem

I do not have a problem, quite the contrary.  Again, pretend all you want.  The polling is clear.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

No one is arguing that the Democratic Party has a problem. I’m saying your claim that they call the other side “evil” is equally true of the GOP. That might be why the public holds politics in general in low regard, but it’s not a uniquely Democrat problem.

I’d post you some links of GC righties calling Dems/liberals evil, including your own numerous posts comparing them to brownshirts. But I see you ignored @Mike Honcho’s quotes from the Republicans POTUS doing exactly what you accuse Dems of doing. 

So, I assume more facts would be wasted on you.

Republicans are not boxed into a corner with anything they have done......Democrats are.

Looking at the disparity in the polling and shrugging it off with "yeah but Republicans" suggests you do not think Democrats need to change.....need to adjust their approach in a way that does not box them in.....but they do need to change....and if it were to arise that Republicans faced a similar problem, they would need to change.....but they dont yet face that problem.

So sure, have at it.  In fact, I have not yet observed Democrats having that "aha" moment either.  So its no wonder they continue to struggle more and more.

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Republicans are not boxed into a corner with anything they have done......Democrats are.

Looking at the disparity in the polling and shrugging it off with "yeah but Republicans" suggests you do not think Democrats need to change.....need to adjust their approach in a way that does not box them in.....but they do need to change....and if it were to arise that Republicans faced a similar problem, they would need to change.....but they dont yet face that problem.

So sure, have at it.  In fact, I have not yet observed Democrats having that "aha" moment either.  So its no wonder they continue to struggle more and more.

Ray: Democrats problem is that they call the other side evil.

The GC: Here are numerous examples of Trump and GC righties calling Democrats evil.

Ray: You don’t think the Dems have a branding problem!

About sums up this conversation.  

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The Democrats are pathetic. All they have left is screaming, crying, lies and promoting hate/divide amongst the parties. 

Everything is an over the top dog & pony show with them.  

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Ray: Democrats problem is that they call the other side evil.

The GC: Here are numerous examples of Trump and GC righties calling Democrats evil.

Ray: You don’t think the Dems have a branding problem!

About sums up this conversation.  

But you're not a Democrat,  

Sure your not 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Ray: Democrats problem is that they call the other side evil.

The GC: Here are numerous examples of Trump and GC righties calling Democrats evil.

Ray: You don’t think the Dems have a branding problem!

About sums up this conversation.  

If that is your ingestion of what I am saying it explains the Democrats issues perfectly.   You do you, your folks are polling in a way you should learn from of course, but maybe you will learn later.

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2015-2016 there were a ton of things written about how "The Republicans might struggle to win another election again because of shifting demographics amid a post Obama Presidency. Obviously those articles were idiotically premature.

Right now there are a bunch of articles the other way because the Republicans just cleaned up in November and the Democrats don't seemingly have a unified plan going forward yet. Of course they will figure out some plan, they will rally behind that, and rally behind whoever leads the party. The other issue right now is that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are the most notable faces in the party and they are both old, out of touch, dopes who need to be sent to the political glue factory. 

But of course RLLD has to start a thread saying "Democrats assert whoever doesn't share their beliefs are evil." When presented with the idea that it isn't solely a one sided issue on insisting the other side is evil he bloviates nonsensically. When pointed out to him the President does the exact thing he is saying he tries to deflect. When he is asked to use the search function here that is too hard for him. Dude is tonally unaware. 

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13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If that is your ingestion of what I am saying it explains the Democrats issues perfectly.   You do you, your folks are polling in a way you should learn from of course, but maybe you will learn later.

It’s what you said.  

Do you think Republicans haven’t “spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil.”

 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

It’s what you said.  

Do you think Republicans haven’t “spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil.”

 

No, Republicans have not done this in the way you have described it.  But every day we are made aware of the evils of Republicans, Trump......MAGA....its a different approach which has resulted in the erosion of the voter base ( evidenced in the last election) and now the polling tells us that Democrats are at an all time low favorability because they are not opposing Trump hard enough.....they are not leaning into the thing that was integral to them losing the WH, the Senate and the house....

They just need to stop the vilification, it will allow them to have more political options, that is all I am saying.

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Just now, RLLD said:

No, Republicans have not done this in the way you have described it. 

You’re completely deluded. Have a good day sir.  

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Just now, MDC said:

You’re completely deluded. Have a good day sir.  

If "I" were the one deluded.....Republicans would be polling as Democrats are right now.   Reality can be a real b!tch.....cant it?

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2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Dems’ own polling shows massive brand problem ahead of 2026

BLUF: The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil.  As a result their base is now heavily imbued with this mentality, which means they cannot ever cooperate with others(Republicans) because their base reviles any cooperation with the evil others.  This position loses them centrists who instead drift toward Republicans. Eroding their power access.

Its a fascinating problem.

That is false. And it is The Democratic Party not The Democrat Party. 

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29 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re completely deluded. Have a good day sir.  

RLLD really isn't worth the time. He can't see simple truths plastered right in front of him and he thinks if he writes a lot of words about them he will never have to confront them. 

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4 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is false. And it is The Democratic Party not The Democrat Party. 

It is absolutely true.  Until you recognize the problem that has been created, fixing it will be challenging. But here you are.....the party is polling at its lowest point in 30 years ( likely longer) because you have lost the centrists due to the pointless opposition doctrine, and now that Schumer did not oppose simply to oppose....the radicals are turning.

It might be better to let the radicals walk and create their own party.....and return to sanity, luring back the centrists....there are more of them than anything else.

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1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

RLLD really isn't worth the time. He can't see simple truths plastered right in front of him and he thinks if he writes a lot of words about them he will never have to confront them. 

The simple truth is the polling, telling you what the problem is......I mean.....your problem is not with me....its with the people feeding those polls

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The simple truth is the polling, telling you what the problem is......I mean.....your problem is not with me....its with the people feeding those polls

The problem is that you don't see how these same things were said a decade ago in the opposite direction. The problem is that you framed it as "The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil. " and were told both parties do this anymore. You decided to blow all of that off. The problem is you don't see how this is kind of standard at the beginning of presidencies stuff.

Simply put- you are delusional and intentionally being intellectually dishonest. 

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Liberals are losing their minds, and we are just getting started. Just wait until their favorite politicians are getting arrested.

This runs so deep. Deeper than even most Trump supporters realize. There is a tie between JFK and Trump.

They are going to have a really hard life unless they come to peace with this, because we aren't going back to the insane trans identity politics that their own identities are tied to. Trump was able to stop their election interference when he wasn't even president yet.

He's going to set this country up so that it's impossible to happen again.

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10 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is false. And it is The Democratic Party not The Democrat Party. 

Oh little squishy. If only you knew. It's ok though, you will be saved from yourself. Go commune with God. Ask where you path lies, because if you pay attention to politics, it's going to harm the liberal identity inside of you.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is absolutely true.  Until you recognize the problem that has been created, fixing it will be challenging. But here you are.....the party is polling at its lowest point in 30 years ( likely longer) because you have lost the centrists due to the pointless opposition doctrine, and now that Schumer did not oppose simply to oppose....the radicals are turning.

It might be better to let the radicals walk and create their own party.....and return to sanity, luring back the centrists....there are more of them than anything else.

Dude, I have never thought those who don't share my beliefs are evil. Never. And shame on you for suggesting that. 

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6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The problem is that you don't see how these same things were said a decade ago in the opposite direction. The problem is that you framed it as "The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil. " and were told both parties do this anymore. You decided to blow all of that off. The problem is you don't see how this is kind of standard at the beginning of presidencies stuff.

Simply put- you are delusional and intentionally being intellectually dishonest. 

So when do you stop wasting your time?