Trump wants to deport American Citizens to El Salvador

[TimHauck 2,619]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

You talking about Biden?  I thought we were talking about Trump.

I believe another poster already addressed this red herring 

[The Psychic Observer 496]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

No he wasn't.  That court order simply said we couldn't send him to El Salvador.  We could absolutely have sent him to a third party country LEGALLY but chose not to.  That doesn't mean he was here legally.  It means the previous administration was ok with illegals overrunning our country.  But this guy had an undisputed final order of removal.  The ONLY thing we did wrong in this case was send him to El Salvador.  We could have sent hm to Afghanistan LEGALLY.

He was given legal protected status to remain in the US.  We don't deport people to other countries other than their country of citizenship or their country of origin except in very particular circumstances.  I would love to hear your logic of how he could have been deported to Afghanistan but I know you're just running your mouth.

He was here legally, he worked legally, had no criminal record, married to a citizen with citizen kids.  Lived here for 15 years.  He is the kind of immigrant that we want here contributing to our society.

Oh and the previous administration that allowed him to stay in the US after the 2019 ruling was..... Trump.

[The Psychic Observer 496]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

You talking about Biden?  I thought we were talking about Trump.

Biden never defied the Supreme Court no matter how many times you say it.

[jbycho 592]

14 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Biden never defied the Supreme Court no matter how many times you say it.

Biden was too busy looking for someone to help him get up after he fell down on his face. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

A centrist should care about the precedent this sets, IMO

I do

DONT COME TO THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY OR IT COULD BE A LIFE SENTENCE ESPECIALLY IF YOURE A GANG BANGER

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

54 minutes ago, Strike said:

The Sandy Hook defamation case against Alex Jones would qualify, I think.  (Not that I think this hypothetical case is analogous and would be successful).

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/10/12/alex-jones-sandy-hook-shooting/

Were I an attorney opposing the defamation suit I would note that Alex Jones was commenting to gain notoriety for financial gain which is different than government officials commenting on policy matters within their purview when being asked by an interested national press.  

 

When i stated I don't recall any analogous cases I meant cases specifically against government officals.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

28 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Biden never defied the Supreme Court no matter how many times you say it.

so no students got debt relief granted from the president

I mean according to you this is ok

judge tells me no, I cant rob that liquor store, so I rob the ampm instead, thats ok cause I didn't defy their order

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

46 minutes ago, Strike said:

No he wasn't.  That court order simply said we couldn't send him to El Salvador.  We could absolutely have sent him to a third party country LEGALLY but chose not to.  That doesn't mean he was here legally.  It means the previous administration was ok with illegals overrunning our country.  But this guy had an undisputed final order of removal.  The ONLY thing we did wrong in this case was send him to El Salvador.  We could have sent hm to Afghanistan LEGALLY.

The whole matter brings to mind the rendition arguments from a few years back.

[Strike 5,186]

37 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

He was given legal protected status to remain in the US.  We don't deport people to other countries other than their country of citizenship or their country of origin except in very particular circumstances.  I would love to hear your logic of how he could have been deported to Afghanistan but I know you're just running your mouth.

He was here legally, he worked legally, had no criminal record, married to a citizen with citizen kids.  Lived here for 15 years.  He is the kind of immigrant that we want here contributing to our society.

Oh and the previous administration that allowed him to stay in the US after the 2019 ruling was..... Trump.

10 times Banned alias says what?

[Tree of Knowledge 1,701]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

It also says the President doesn’t have to listen to the Supreme Court

They offered to fly him back if El Salvador releases their own citizen from their prison.  Sounds like they went over and above the definition of facilitating.  

[TimHauck 2,619]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

They offered to fly him back if El Salvador releases their own citizen from their prison.  Sounds like they went over and above the definition of facilitating.  

Has anyone from the administration asked for El Salvador to release him?

[The Psychic Observer 496]

11 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

so no students got debt relief granted from the president

I mean according to you this is ok

judge tells me no, I cant rob that liquor store, so I rob the ampm instead, thats ok cause I didn't defy their order

The Supreme Court said that Biden could not use the HEROES Act to forgive student debt.  It didn't say "you can't forgive student debt AT ALL", because it can't.  If Congress passed a law eliminating all student debt, they could do so, and the Supreme Court couldn't do anything about it.

Biden was told he couldn't use the HEROES Act, so he used other existing laws to forgive student debt, and this was never challenged.

In your horrible example, it is against the law to commit robbery, whether it is a liquor store or a whatever.

It is not against the law or violate the constitution for the government to forgive debt.  Remember when Trump passed the PPP Act which was a loan program for small business.  But then everyone grifted off it and then the loans were all forgiven?

There are still challenges going through the courts now for the other laws Biden used but let's stop once and for all repeating the lie that Biden defied the Supreme Court.  It did not happen.

[The Psychic Observer 496]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

10 times Banned alias says what?

Love this for you.  Anytime you get proven wrong you pivot to a personal attack.  Whenever Tim bish slaps you, you start posting about Roman Polanski.  Or you start talking about aliases.  It is your white flag and signals to me that you are admitting defeat.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

10 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

The Supreme Court said that Biden could not use the HEROES Act to forgive student debt.  It didn't say "you can't forgive student debt AT ALL", because it can't.  If Congress passed a law eliminating all student debt, they could do so, and the Supreme Court couldn't do anything about it.

Biden was told he couldn't use the HEROES Act, so he used other existing laws to forgive student debt, and this was never challenged.

In your horrible example, it is against the law to commit robbery, whether it is a liquor store or a whatever.

It is not against the law or violate the constitution for the government to forgive debt.  Remember when Trump passed the PPP Act which was a loan program for small business.  But then everyone grifted off it and then the loans were all forgiven?

There are still challenges going through the courts now for the other laws Biden used but let's stop once and for all repeating the lie that Biden defied the Supreme Court.  It did not happen.

thank you for proving my point.  hook line and sinker

Trump used the illegal invasion act to supersede the stay, based on that law what he did was completely ok

the supreme court only ruled that he has to try to bring him back, not that he incorrectly used the laws on the book

 

[squistion 1,952]

20 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Love this for you.  Anytime you get proven wrong you pivot to a personal attack.  Whenever Tim bish slaps you, you start posting about Roman Polanski.  Or you start talking about aliases.  It is your white flag and signals to me that you are admitting defeat.

Even when he is not proven wrong that is his playbook, which I why I put him on ignore.

[The Psychic Observer 496]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

thank you for proving my point.  hook line and sinker

Trump used the illegal invasion act to supersede the stay, based on that law what he did was completely ok

the supreme court only ruled that he has to try to bring him back, not that he incorrectly used the laws on the book

 

Your point was that who cares if Trump defied the Supreme Court because Biden did.  That point is moot because Biden never defied the Supreme Court.

Back to Trump, the Supreme Court ruled that Trump could use the illegal aliens act but he still needs to provide due process, which he did not in any of the cases so far.

The Supreme Court also ruled that the US must facilitate the return of Kilmar Garcia because his deportation violated the 2019 order that forbid his deportation to El Salvador.

Since Trump is ignoring this order to facilitate, he is defying the Supreme Court.

Your only defense would be arguing the definition of "facilitate".  Otherwise sit down.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

7 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Your point was that who cares if Trump defied the Supreme Court because Biden did.  That point is moot because Biden never defied the Supreme Court.

Back to Trump, the Supreme Court ruled that Trump could use the illegal aliens act but he still needs to provide due process, which he did not in any of the cases so far.

The Supreme Court also ruled that the US must facilitate the return of Kilmar Garcia because his deportation violated the 2019 order that forbid his deportation to El Salvador.

Since Trump is ignoring this order to facilitate, he is defying the Supreme Court.

Your only defense would be arguing the definition of "facilitate".  Otherwise sit down.

right trump used a different way of doing what we the people voted for

just like biden did

he had his due process he was given a TEMPORARY STAY of deportation, not a permanent residence

 

[The Psychic Observer 496]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

right trump used a different way of doing what we the people voted for

just like biden did

What law is Trump using that allows Garcia to remain in El Salvador?

[CaptainObvious1 325]

11 minutes ago, squistion said:

Even when he is not proven wrong that is his playbook, which I why I put him on ignore.

You put everyone on ignore that makes you look foolish, which is half the board.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

What law is Trump using that allows Garcia to remain in El Salvador?

the fact that he is an EL SALVADOR CITIZEN he is their citizen

Trump cannot tell countries what to do with their citizens

dude broke immigration laws, his "claim" that he was unsafe is no longer valid, cause all other gangs have been eliminated in El Salvador and have been for a few years now

so he was safe to return at any point

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,701]

42 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Has anyone from the administration asked for El Salvador to release him?

Yes

[The Psychic Observer 496]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

the fact that he is an EL SALVADOR CITIZEN he is their citizen

Trump cannot tell countries what to do with their citizens

dude broke immigration laws, his "claim" that he was unsafe is no longer valid, cause all other gangs have been eliminated in El Salvador and have been for a few years now

so he was safe to return at any point

 

This is not true.  The United States can extradite a citizen of another country to the US.  Given that the Trump and Bukele are friends, this would be no problem.

There is absolutely a legal means to bring him back.

Gangs still exist in El Salvador.  If you want to now make the argument that he is no longer threatened, he would need to be brought back the US and have an immigration judge rule that El Salvador is no longer a threat and then he could be deported.

Every step of the way you try and make up your own laws and due process.  That isn't how the US works.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

8 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

This is not true.  The United States can extradite a citizen of another country to the US.  Given that the Trump and Bukele are friends, this would be no problem.

There is absolutely a legal means to bring him back.

Gangs still exist in El Salvador.  If you want to now make the argument that he is no longer threatened, he would need to be brought back the US and have an immigration judge rule that El Salvador is no longer a threat and then he could be deported.

Every step of the way you try and make up your own laws and due process.  That isn't how the US works.

he can only be extradited because of a heinous crime

but youre saying we should extradite him without being charge with a crime to then deport him again

smart idea

and yes this is how the US works, you think Obama gave all 3 million deported "due process" no.  You are here ILLEGALLY that is a crime punishable by deportation to your home country

 

[TimHauck 2,619]

26 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Yes

Link?

[TimHauck 2,619]

21 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

This is not true.  The United States can extradite a citizen of another country to the US.  Given that the Trump and Bukele are friends, this would be no problem.

There is absolutely a legal means to bring him back.

 

Yup, this about sums up how ridiculous the conversation was.  Worth noting that it was a media member on the video that asked if Bukele would bring him back, not a government official.

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1911832849746952399

Bondi: “That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him…If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.”

Bukele: “How can I return him…? Like, I smuggle him into the US?”

 

No, you put him on the plane the AG just said the US would provide!

 

 

[jbycho 592]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yup, this about sums up how ridiculous the conversation was.  Worth noting that it was a media member on the video that asked if Bukele would bring him back, not a government official.

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1911832849746952399

Bondi: “That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him…If they wanted to return him, we would facilitate it, meaning provide a plane.”

Bukele: “How can I return him…? Like, I smuggle him into the US?”

 

No, you put him on the plane the AG just said the US would provide!

 

 

Who the fock cares? It's pee lovers like you that need to be deported. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

19 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he can only be extradited because of a heinous crime

but youre saying we should extradite him without being charge with a crime to then deport him again

smart idea

and yes this is how the US works, you think Obama gave all 3 million deported "due process" no.  You are here ILLEGALLY that is a crime punishable by deportation to your home country

 

Again none of this is true. You’re just asserting nonsense here, and you have for a couple days now. 

[jbycho 592]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again none of this is true. You’re just asserting nonsense here, and you have for a couple days now. 

Again none of this is true. You’re just asserting nonsense, and you have since you first posted here. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

4 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Who the fock cares? 

This is actually the MAGA argument. They don’t care that the law is being broken because they like the result. 

Certain posters like @RaiderHaters Revenge and @Strike won’t admit this. They are trying to argue that the laws actually DO allow for the Trump administration to do what they did here,. But they are failing badly, proven wrong at every turn, because it’s an unsustainable argument. Other posters like @jbycho are more honest: they simply believe the ends justifies the means and say so. They have no problem with Trump trying to impose an authoritarian dictatorship: that’s what they want. 

[TimHauck 2,619]

25 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he can only be extradited because of a heinous crime

but youre saying we should extradite him without being charge with a crime to then deport him again

smart idea

and yes this is how the US works, you think Obama gave all 3 million deported "due process" no.  You are here ILLEGALLY that is a crime punishable by deportation to your home country

 

Deportation, not imprisonment.  And it was the US that put him in the prison, not El Salvador. 

[TimHauck 2,619]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is actually the MAGA argument. They don’t care that the law is being broken because they like the result. 

Certain posters like @RaiderHaters Revenge and @Strike won’t admit this. They are trying to argue that the laws actually DO allow for the Trump administration to do what they did here,. But they are failing badly, proven wrong at every turn, because it’s an unsustainable argument. Other posters like @jbycho are more honest: they simply believe the ends justifies the means and say so. They have no problem with Trump trying to impose an authoritarian dictatorship: that’s what they want. 

Pretty sure @RaiderHaters Revenge said he doesn’t care too

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Where should they start with the deportations of American citizens? I’d say Maryland is good. That state wants to be red so bad.  Virginia as well. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Pretty sure @RaiderHaters Revenge said he doesn’t care too

He has but he also spends most of his time trying to offer a legal defense for Trump’s actions, so I suspect he really does care. 

[The Psychic Observer 496]

30 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he can only be extradited because of a heinous crime

but youre saying we should extradite him without being charge with a crime to then deport him again

smart idea

and yes this is how the US works, you think Obama gave all 3 million deported "due process" no.  You are here ILLEGALLY that is a crime punishable by deportation to your home country

 

What I'm saying is we have to follow the laws and the courts.  The law says he should have never been deported to El Salvador.  The court says bring him back.

After that, if you want to follow the law, give him due process, deem him a terrorist and have a judge agree, then fine, go ahead.  But in the US we follow the law and we listen to the courts.  Or at least we used to.  It's what makes us better than most countries.

And yes, Obama and Biden gave all deportees due process.  That is the law.

[TimHauck 2,619]

18 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Who the fock cares? It's pee lovers like you that need to be deported. 

I’m sure his family that is US citizens care.  But I’m sure you’ll just say to deport them too

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Obama was known as the “deporter in chief” 

[jbycho 592]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is actually the MAGA argument. They don’t care that the law is being broken because they like the result. 

 

The law hasn't been broken. Dude was illegally here. Bye-bye. 

[jbycho 592]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m sure his family that is US citizens care.  But I’m sure you’ll just say to deport them too

Yeah. If they are illegal too, deport them. If not, let them cry like a girl who has a dear brother who has been sent to prison for breaking the law. Why the fock do I care? 

[TimHauck 2,619]

10 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yeah. If they are illegal too, deport them. If not, let them cry like a girl who has a dear brother who has been sent to prison for breaking the law. Why the fock do I care? 

You might care if a dirty cop accuses you of being in a gang 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already.