Trump wants to deport American Citizens to El Salvador

[TimHauck 2,598]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Still waiting

I didn’t see you write “alleged” there, you seem pretty certain 

[jerryskids 6,548]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t see you write “alleged” there, you seem pretty certain 

So, no "with absolute certainty," in quotes and everything.  Thanks for confirming.

The thing is, it doesn't matter.  The only reason to bring Garcia back is the legal stay of deportation.  In the general case, being here illegal is sufficient for deportation.  The gang thing is a bonus to further justify it.

There will be, nor should there be, a "day in court" for every person being deported.  There will be no trials to determine somebody's gang status; I strongly doubt that being in a gang is technically illegal, so there would be nothing to try.

The sooner you Centrists figure it out, the better.   

[TimHauck 2,598]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, no "with absolute certainty," in quotes and everything.  Thanks for confirming.

The thing is, it doesn't matter.  The only reason to bring Garcia back is the legal stay of deportation.  In the general case, being here illegal is sufficient for deportation.  The gang thing is a bonus to further justify it.

There will be, nor should there be, a "day in court" for every person being deported.  There will be no trials to determine somebody's gang status; I strongly doubt that being in a gang is technically illegal, so there would be nothing to try.

The sooner you Centrists figure it out, the better.   

At this point what I want to see is just him be released from prison in El Salvador, or else he needs to be charged with something other than entering the US illegally.

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10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

At this point what I want to see is just him be released from prison in El Salvador, or else he needs to be charged with something other than entering the US illegally.

Too bad. So sad. You are so whiny. 

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Something I don’t understand - ok this guy has an affidavit from 2019 from an arresting officer via a CI who said he was MS13. If ICE really believes that then arrest him for that & seek information on MS13 leadership & crimes committed. That’s how good law enforcement defeats crime. Interrogate & prosecute the guy.

[The Psychic Observer 495]

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Sigh... Trump is tiring me.  I said this to my wife, and she insta said: "the Easter message?  Yeah, that's terrible."  Amazing that she knew what I was talking about.  

Congratulations, this is step 1.

[jerryskids 6,548]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

At this point what I want to see is just him be released from prison in El Salvador, or else he needs to be charged with something other than entering the US illegally.

You missed my point.  He doesn't need to be charged with anything else, nor put through an entire formal trial.  It is neither practical nor legally necessary.

The Left seems to be working on a plan of making it easy peasy to get into the country, but then incredibly difficult to get out.  We need to rid you of the illusion that there will be a long, drawn out process for each deportation.

[The Psychic Observer 495]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, no "with absolute certainty," in quotes and everything.  Thanks for confirming.

The thing is, it doesn't matter.  The only reason to bring Garcia back is the legal stay of deportation.  In the general case, being here illegal is sufficient for deportation.  The gang thing is a bonus to further justify it.

There will be, nor should there be, a "day in court" for every person being deported.  There will be no trials to determine somebody's gang status; I strongly doubt that being in a gang is technically illegal, so there would be nothing to try.

The sooner you Centrists figure it out, the better.   

Don't conflate "a day in court" with "due process" like Stephen Miller does.

It's very easy to have due process and could take a few minutes.  If Garcia had his due process then the court would have ruled that he cannot be deported to El Salvador and he would still be in MD.  If the government wants to deport him they could either get the 2019 ruling overturned or make the case to deport him somewhere else.  No need for a trial.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

You missed my point.  He doesn't need to be charged with anything else, nor put through an entire formal trial.  It is neither practical nor legally necessary.

The Left seems to be working on a plan of making it easy peasy to get into the country, but then incredibly difficult to get out.  We need to rid you of the illusion that there will be a long, drawn out process for each deportation.

There is no illusion.  Biden deported more migrants than Trump.  He just did it legally.  There was no outcry from the left at Biden's deportations.

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You missed my point.  He doesn't need to be charged with anything else, nor put through an entire formal trial.  It is neither practical nor legally necessary.

The Left seems to be working on a plan of making it easy peasy to get into the country, but then incredibly difficult to get out.  We need to rid you of the illusion that there will be a long, drawn out process for each deportation.

Sorry I wasn’t clear, I’m not talking about being charged with something here, I’m talking about being charged with something in El Salvador. I’m fine with him being deported (even to El Salvador TBH), I’m not fine with him being imprisoned there.  If El Salvador is going to keep him in prison they need to charge him with something.

[jerryskids 6,548]

2 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Don't conflate "a day in court" with "due process" like Stephen Miller does.

It's very easy to have due process and could take a few minutes.  If Garcia had his due process then the court would have ruled that he cannot be deported to El Salvador and he would still be in MD.  If the government wants to deport him they could either get the 2019 ruling overturned or make the case to deport him somewhere else.  No need for a trial.

I'm not conflating it, the Left is.  I agree with what you said.

Heck, @TimHauckjust minutes ago called for him to be charged with something.   

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not talking about being charged with something here, I’m talking about being charged with something in El Salvador. I’m fine with him being deported (even to El Salvador TBH), I’m not fine with him being imprisoned there.  If El Salvador is going to keep him in prison they need to charge him with something.

Are those goalposts hurting your back?

[The Psychic Observer 495]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I'm not conflating it, the Left is.  I agree with what you said.

Heck, @TimHauckjust minutes ago called for him to be charged with something.   

Well I don't know what "the left" is.  I don't see anyone calling for long trials for all deportees.

[TimHauck 2,598]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Are those goalposts hurting your back?

Huh?  Pretty sure I’ve said the whole time I’m ok with him being deported, but I’m not okay with him being imprisoned.

[jerryskids 6,548]

Just now, The Psychic Observer said:

Well I don't know what "the left" is.  I don't see anyone calling for long trials for all deportees.

Do I really need to go find posts of all of our Lefties complaining that he hasn't even been charged with a crime?

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  Pretty sure I’ve said the whole time I’m ok with him being deported, but I’m not okay with him being imprisoned.

We weren't talking about imprisonment, we were talking about deportation.

Because you've taken a stance in other discussions does not make it relevant to this one.

BTW I've also objected to the imprisonment for these deportees.  But it wasn't relevant so I didn't bring it up.

[TimHauck 2,598]

Just now, jerryskids said:

We weren't talking about imprisonment, we were talking about deportation.

Because you've taken a stance in other discussions does not make it relevant to this one.

BTW I've also objected to the imprisonment for these deportees.  But it wasn't relevant so I didn't bring it up.

I’m talking about imprisonment because Garcia is imprisoned, it’s absolutely relevant. 

[The Psychic Observer 495]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Do I really need to go find posts of all of our Lefties complaining that he hasn't even been charged with a crime?

That doesn't infer that he needs to be charged with a crime to be deported.

The whole reason the "He hasn't been charged with a crime" is being used is because the right is saying "He's a wife beater, he's in a gang, he's a human trafficker..."  If any of that was true then he should have been charged with a crime.

Instead he was illegally sent to an El Salvador prison.

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I’m talking about imprisonment because Garcia is imprisoned, it’s absolutely relevant. 

We were talking about deportation, Tim.

[jerryskids 6,548]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

That doesn't infer that he needs to be charged with a crime to be deported.

The whole reason the "He hasn't been charged with a crime" is being used is because the right is saying "He's a wife beater, he's in a gang, he's a human trafficker..."  If any of that was true then he should have been charged with a crime.

Instead he was illegally sent to an El Salvador prison.

It doesn't matter but...

The wife apparently didn't file criminal charges, just a civil order of protection.

Being in a gang isn't a crime per se.  

The Feds inexplicably told the local authorities to let Garcia and the (alleged) illegal aliens go.

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We were talking about deportation, Tim.

Because you changed the subject from Garcia to all deportations.  But carry on I guess 

[TimHauck 2,598]

Oh snap I didn’t realize Bukele actually tried claiming Garcia and Van Hollen were “sipping margaritas.”  I actually saw a lot of idiots on x saying things like “look at the nice clothes he’s wearing, they must not be treating him that badly!” when clearly he was put in those clothes, and the nice room with the “margaritas” as propaganda

https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1913028548001923259

 

 

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45 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m talking about imprisonment because Garcia is imprisoned, it’s absolutely relevant. 

You should go visit him in prison and hold his hand for 10 minutes to let him know you are on his side. 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Being in a gang isn't a crime per se.  

Being in MS-13 is a crime per se. It will get someone a RICO charge right quick if they are considered to have been part of any past crime in any way. This is the weird thing, if what the administration says were true they'd charge Garcia, interrogate him, and get him to flip on the network above or below him, or maybe use him as an informant. 

[jerryskids 6,548]

15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Being in MS-13 is a crime per se. It will get someone a RICO charge right quick if they are considered to have been part of any past crime in any way. This is the weird thing, if what the administration says were true they'd charge Garcia, interrogate him, and get him to flip on the network above or below him, or maybe use him as an informant. 

That's a lot of words to agree with me.  Being in MS-13 is not a crime per se.

The administration could have done a lot of things, but in case you didn't notice, they are in most cases just moving fast and acting.  They just chose to deport the alleged MS-13 member who allegedly beat his wife (alleged #metoo) and allegedly drove a bunch of illegal aliens up from the border.*

Their mistake was missing the stay of deportation.

* "allegeds" are for the benefit of @TimHauck

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8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That's a lot of words to agree with me.  Being in MS-13 is not a crime per se.

The administration could have done a lot of things, but in case you didn't notice, they are in most cases just moving fast and acting.  They just chose to deport the alleged MS-13 member who allegedly beat his wife (alleged #metoo) and allegedly drove a bunch of illegal aliens up from the border.*

Their mistake was missing the stay of deportation.

* "allegeds" are for the benefit of @TimHauck

I'm sorry, are you telling me the DOJ and ICE are aware of Ms-13 gang members and are doing nothing to arrest them? I disagree. MS-13 is designated as an international criminal organization, it was well before Trump. If you're in it you're getting busted.

The things you list are pointless. The restraining order is a state matter and if he was driving aliens up... then the Feds bust the caravan.

The only thing that matters is that in 2019 a federal judge released Garcia and that is the standing order, one that the Trump administration did not appeal. Right now the Feds are in violation of that 2019 order.

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1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Well I don't know what "the left" is.  I don't see anyone calling for long trials for all deportees.

It's how they like to argue, the left wants "long trials" and "open borders"...they like to start from a place that doesn't exist.  

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

The left wants "long trials" and "open borders"

Yep. 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

Kilmar Garcia's wife has been forced into a safe house after the US government posted her address.

[shadrap 220]

On 4/21/2025 at 8:12 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Something I don’t understand - ok this guy has an affidavit from 2019 from an arresting officer via a CI who said he was MS13. If ICE really believes that then arrest him for that & seek information on MS13 leadership & crimes committed. That’s how good law enforcement defeats crime. Interrogate & prosecute the guy.

yea, pretty sure this guy is going to sing away on gang activities.  that gets him killed on the street or killed in prison.

great idea.

[Horseman 2,353]

11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Kilmar Garcia's wife has been forced into a safe house after the US government posted her address.

Dumb. As usual they bury the lead for a headline the weaklings would click on.  Nobody forced her into a safe house.  But...

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She has acknowledged difficulties in their relationship, largely due to financial stress, raising special needs children, and Abrego Garcia’s 2019 arrest by immigration authorities, according to The Washington Post.

That pressure “boiled over” during an argument in 2021.

Vasquez Sura said it was an isolated incident she attributed to the strain of his immigration detention and being a parent without steady work.

 

Special needs kids. Figures. 

Never had steady work. Figures.  

He beat me but didn't really mean it.  

So glad we're getting rid of the losers.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

4 minutes ago, shadrap said:

yea, pretty sure this guy is going to sing away on gang activities.  that gets him killed on the street or killed in prison.

great idea.

How? When? He's out of jurisdiction. He's completely useless to FBI and DHS.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

How? When? He's out of jurisdiction. He's completely useless to FBI and DHS.

jesus, you were the one who said they should get info from the guy when they had the guy.  I'm just saying he is not going to sing when they had the guy.  Now you bring up it's useless now as some sort of gotcha.  Of course he is useless now, just as he was when we had him.

Anything else nostrodomous?

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30 minutes ago, shadrap said:

jesus, you were the one who said they should get info from the guy when they had the guy.  I'm just saying he is not going to sing when they had the guy.  Now you bring up it's useless now as some sort of gotcha.  Of course he is useless now, just as he was when we had him.

Anything else nostrodomous?

Sorry, I didn’t mean to overreact to your post. I appreciate the response. But my understanding of the Salvadoreno prison is that it’s a black hole. There are no plea negotiations or information sharing. That happens in the US, IMO any attempt to gain his cooperation or information is permanently lost.

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15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Sorry, I didn’t mean to overreact to your post. I appreciate the response. But my understanding of the Salvadoreno prison is that it’s a black hole. There are no plea negotiations or information sharing. That happens in the US, IMO any attempt to gain his cooperation or information is permanently lost.

okay got it.  Your saying the guy would have divulged valuable information on MS-13 if this administration was run by anyone but Trump.

Got it again.

utterly useless banter.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

okay got it.  Your saying the guy would have divulged valuable information on MS-13 if this administration was run by anyone but Trump.

Got it again.

utterly useless banter.

 

No I’m saying the *Trump DOJ - if it really believes this man is an MS-13 member - would use traditional techniques to extract information from him. Trump DOJ uses this method in a myriad of cases right now.

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24 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Sorry, I didn’t mean to overreact to your post. I appreciate the response. But my understanding of the Salvadoreno prison is that it’s a black hole. There are no plea negotiations or information sharing. That happens in the US, IMO any attempt to gain his cooperation or information is permanently lost.

and bang, this is the guy you want back.  You should have some room in your house.  I mean due process, justice and all.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/deported-maryland-man-championed-dems-pulled-over-driving-car-belonging-human-smuggler

[shadrap 220]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No I’m saying the *Trump DOJ - if it really believes this man is an MS-13 member - would use traditional techniques to extract information from him. Trump DOJ uses this method in a myriad of cases right now.

give it up.

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

Just now, shadrap said:

and bang, this is the guy you want back.  You should have some room in your house.  I mean due process, justice and all.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/deported-maryland-man-championed-dems-pulled-over-driving-car-belonging-human-smuggler

And that is something you could use to heighten charges against him, it’s just another reason to keep in the federal prison system.

[SaintsInDome2006 374]

Just now, shadrap said:

give it up.

I’m literally saying treat him more harshly by making him useful for law enforcement.