Trump wants to deport American Citizens to El Salvador

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30 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. No doubt I argued with him about it myself at one point or another. But IMO it’s just another of a score of examples of how maga isn’t really conservative or traditionally Republican. Because that used to mean defending American as a beacon for liberty for the rest of the world. 

I remember when that beacon of liberty lied to us and we invaded another country. No thanks. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Cuba under Fidel didn’t allow parents to raise their kids. As with all Communist countries the children were raised mostly by the state and indoctrinated with ideology. 

Just like you were raised by your liberal cult. 

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10 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Dude our founding fathers would think wtf if they saw what you people have done to the country. The founding fathers wouldn’t have liked you at all. 

“He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither…”

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4 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Just like you were raised by your liberal cult. 

Interesting analysis since my first ever vote was for Ronald Reagan and I remained a Republican well into my 40s. 

[squistion 1,952]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Cuba under Fidel didn’t allow parents to raise their kids. As with all Communist countries the children were raised mostly by the state and indoctrinated with ideology. 

That doesn't sound right to me. 

Don't have time to research it, but from an AI overview:

Yes, generally, under Fidel Castro's rule, Cuban children were raised by their parents, although there were instances where families were separated, particularly due to political reasons or when parents emigrated. The Cuban government did not actively remove children from their families to raise them, as some rumors during Operation Pedro Pan suggested. However, there were cases where parents were separated from their children when they sought to leave the country, and the government denied them permission to rejoin their families. 

 

Here's a more detailed explanation: 

• Parental Rights:

  The Cuban government, while socialist, did not inherently deny parents the right to raise their children. 

   
• Operation Pedro Pan:

  This CIA-backed operation involved transporting unaccompanied children from Cuba to the United States, primarily from 1960 to 1962. While some parents did send their children to the US for safety and better opportunities, others were worried about the safety of their children in Cuba, and others may have been targeted by the regime due to their beliefs. 

   
• Family Separations:

  There were instances where parents who emigrated were denied the right to have their children join them, leading to family separations. 

   
• Deserters:

  Individuals who left Cuba without government permission were often denied the right for their families to join them, leading to prolonged separations. 

   
• Rumors and Misinformation:

  During Operation Pedro Pan, rumors spread, particularly by the CIA, that the Castro regime was planning to remove children from their families for indoctrination. These rumors were largely unfounded, but they fueled fears in the US and among some Cuban citizens. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

I never said they were removed from their parents; I wrote that they were indoctrinated. 

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40 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. No doubt I argued with him about it myself at one point or another. But IMO it’s just another of a score of examples of how maga isn’t really conservative or traditionally Republican. Because that used to mean defending American as a beacon for liberty for the rest of the world. 

Well, I'm not so sure America is a beacon of liberty for Americans anymore, let alone the rest of the world. Not after Covid. 

But I still think the right is welcoming of anybody who wants to come here the right way, assimilate and contribute. We just have a problem with illegals and that hasn't changed. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Interesting analysis since my first ever vote was for Ronald Reagan and I remained a Republican well into my 40s. 

Yeah. Sure. And I voted for the hate filled racist Obama, crooked Hillary, and pedo Joe. 

Good one. 

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24 minutes ago, squistion said:

No you couldn't have argued with me, as I didn't join the FFA until 2003 (3-4 years after the Elian matter was in the news)

I honestly can't remember what I was saying at the time. I believe I felt that his "family" here was exploiting him for their own gain and returning him to his father seemed the right thing to do.

In any event, I don't feel the Elian Gonzalez situation (which was a one-off outlier) is analogous to Trump deporting a 2 year old and breaking up families.

 

Of course not. Because you're a hypocrite, like I said. 

[jbycho 592]

If you go into a country illegally, anything  that happens to you after that, is all on you. 

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7 minutes ago, jbycho said:

If you go into a country illegally, anything nad that happens to you after that, is all on you. 

Yep.

[squistion 1,952]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never said they were removed from their parents; I wrote that they were indoctrinated. 

Seems to be me you were saying that, your exact words from above:

Cuba under Fidel didn’t allow parents to raise their kids.

If they weren't allowed to raise their kids, then they would have to have been removed, no?

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6 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. No doubt I argued with him about it myself at one point or another. But IMO it’s just another of a score of examples of how maga isn’t really conservative or traditionally Republican. Because that used to mean defending American as a beacon for liberty for the rest of the world. 

You sound like you think America is superior to the rest of the world. 

[squistion 1,952]

 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

 

Or they got busted down at the club? 

[jbycho 592]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

 

Excellent. Time to clean up this country. 

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