Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges

[Nomad99 742]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NKdkDVHZtCE?si=mV2sUKDJiffO74bE

[Hardcore troubadour 15,432]

Stephen Miller is great at belittling the ignorant media. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

42 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/NKdkDVHZtCE?si=mV2sUKDJiffO74bE

This is from several weeks ago.  

Also, Miller is incorrect, he doesn’t have “the option to live in El Salvador,” because we sent him to prison there and as far as I’m aware he has not been released (nor charged with any crime that would keep him in prison).

[jbycho 754]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This is from several weeks ago.  

Also, Miller is incorrect, he doesn’t have “the option to live in El Salvador,” because we sent him to prison there and as far as I’m aware he has not been released (nor charged with any crime that would keep him in prison).

He was illegally in this country. That's a crime. A big one. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

He was illegally in this country. That's a crime. A big one. 

It’s a crime in El Salvador to be in the US illegally?

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

It’s a crime in El Salvador to be in the US illegally?

Beats me. But it is here. So they shipped him out and now he's other people's problem to deal with. WTF do I care about that POS? 

[Nomad99 742]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

This is from several weeks ago.  

Also, Miller is incorrect, he doesn’t have “the option to live in El Salvador,” because we sent him to prison there and as far as I’m aware he has not been released (nor charged with any crime that would keep him in prison).

So...the US has now reached a point where we are omnipotent enough to dictate to other countries who that country needs to imprison? Could you expound on that & educate us on the heinous ramifications said country would face by not imprisoning whomever we dictate being imprisoned? And who oversees this mandate....seal team 6? John Rambo? Chuck Norris? Say what you want about Trump.....but if he has the global power to dictate to other countries as to who they are required to jail......I call that a huge win!! Can you just imagine? Hello Yemin?  Yes.....this is Trump.....I need you to jail all the Houthis right now!!!

This is awesome.......or, as usual.....bull$hit.

[TimHauck 2,876]

5 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

So...the US has now reached a point where we are omnipotent enough to dictate to other countries who that country needs to imprison? Could you expound on that & educate us on the heinous ramifications said country would face by not imprisoning whomever we dictate being imprisoned? And who oversees this mandate....seal team 6? John Rambo? Chuck Norris? Say what you want about Trump.....but if he has the global power to dictate to other countries as to who they are required to jail......I call that a huge win!! Can you just imagine? Hello Yemin?  Yes.....this is Trump.....I need you to jail all the Houthis right now!!!

This is awesome.......or, as usual.....bull$hit.

Lol, cool strawman.  Nah I’m only concerned with the people that we specifically send to prison in a country that we are paying them to imprison.

[Nomad99 742]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Lol, cool strawman.  Nah I’m only concerned with the people that we specifically send to prison in a country that we are paying them to imprison.

Receipts for said payments? You know....20 tons of "straw" delivered....

[TimHauck 2,876]

15 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Receipts for said payments? You know....20 tons of "straw" delivered....

https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1901245427216978290
 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,432]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol, cool strawman.  Nah I’m only concerned with the people that we specifically send to prison in a country that we are paying them to imprison.

Yeah, you’re bigly concerned.  Enough to post about it. 

[Nomad99 742]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1901245427216978290
 

 

So no receipt? No clarification? No clue?

No $hit

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, Nomad99 said:

So no receipt? No clarification? No clue?

No $hit

Yeah, just the President of the country we’re paying saying we’re paying them.  Lol.

[TimHauck 2,876]

4 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

So no receipt? No clarification? No clue?

No $hit

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-paid-el-salvador-take-venezuelan-tren-de-aragua-members-pennies-dollar-white-house-says
 

On Monday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt detailed the cost to U.S. taxpayers. 

"It was approximately $6 million, to El Salvador, for the detention of these foreign terrorists," she told reporters.

 

[Nomad99 742]

You know what life is good. After a long week....I can come home & on occasion, pour a couple fingers of tequila (Blue Agave currently), binge read some of the twattery of () intellectuals & then get them to jump on the treadmill of "I'll   show you".....only to watch themselves speak from their chocolate starfish. Here's to you "Baseless argument having guy"

[TimHauck 2,876]

2 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

You know what life is good. After a long week....I can come home & on occasion, pour a couple fingers of tequila (Blue Agave currently), binge read some of the twattery of () intellectuals & then get them to jump on the treadmill of "I'll   show you".....only to watch themselves speak from their chocolate starfish. Here's to you "Baseless argument having guy"

Coming from the guy denying that we’re paying El Salvador to send them prisoners, lol

[Nomad99 742]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-paid-el-salvador-take-venezuelan-tren-de-aragua-members-pennies-dollar-white-house-says
 

On Monday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt detailed the cost to U.S. taxpayers. 

"It was approximately $6 million, to El Salvador, for the detention of these foreign terrorists," she told reporters.

 

To "Take" not "Imprison".....sorry...no points awarded. Strawman

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stephen Miller is great at belittling the ignorant media. 

He’s one of only two guys I can think of (Bobby Fischer, the chess great, was the other) that are examples of that rare person, the “Jewish Nazi”. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

To "Take" not "Imprison".....sorry...no points awarded. Strawman

Holy fock you’re a fraud.

DETENTION

[Hardcore troubadour 15,432]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s one of only two guys I can think of (Bobby Fischer, the chess great, was the other) that are examples of that rare person, the “Jewish Nazi”. 

He wants to genocide Jewish people? 

[Strike 5,543]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s one of only two guys I can think of (Bobby Fischer, the chess great, was the other) that are examples of that rare person, the “Jewish Nazi”. 

You forgot @The Real timschochet

[Nomad99 742]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

You forgot @The Real timschochet

You must forgive him.....he has become so inebriated suckling the teet of illusion & dystopia that he knows not what he does. Arguing about money spent removing criminals from our society & ignoring money wasted on transgender operas & comic books sent to the same region. It's like glorifying a shopping spree & condemning an upgrade to your home heating system. 

[shadrap 228]

and another predictable result of Dems ability to try to thwart the system to the detriment of it's citizens.  When will people learn?  From this forum it appears never.  My side regardless!!

So stupid.  But Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Enjoy this libs. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-rips-minnesota-dems-after-illegal-immigrant-drunkenly-kills-mother-on-run

[Hardcore troubadour 15,432]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

and another predictable result of Dems ability to try to thwart the system to the detriment of it's citizens.  When will people learn?  From this forum it appears never.  My side regardless!!

So stupid.  But Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Enjoy this libs. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-rips-minnesota-dems-after-illegal-immigrant-drunkenly-kills-mother-on-run

Collateral damage necessary so the democrats can get more seats in congress.  

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

and another predictable result of Dems ability to try to thwart the system to the detriment of it's citizens.  When will people learn?  From this forum it appears never.  My side regardless!!

So stupid.  But Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Enjoy this libs. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-rips-minnesota-dems-after-illegal-immigrant-drunkenly-kills-mother-on-run

What does this have to do with the millions of undocumented people here who DON’T commit violent felonies? 

[jbycho 754]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

What does this have to do with the millions of undocumented people here who DON’T commit violent felonies? 

They are illegal. Bye bye. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

They are illegal. Bye bye. 

You say goodbye and I say hello. Hello hello! I don’t know why you say goodbye I say hello.

[jbycho 754]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Hello

You're the one crying them being sent to a prison elsewhere. Not me. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, jbycho said:

You're the one crying them being sent to a prison elsewhere. Not me. 

In this instance I’m concerned about due process. 

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

In this instance I’m concerned about due process. 

I'm not. Because they are illegally here.

Sorry, WERE illegally here. 

[Strike 5,543]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

I'm not. Because they are illegally here.

Sorry, WERE illegally here. 

And all had due process as well.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

And all had due process as well.

Yep.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

And all had due process as well.

No they didn’t. You keep repeating this lie. But that’s typical of you. 

[Strike 5,543]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No they didn’t. You keep repeating this lie. But that’s typical of you. 

Nope it's a fact. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No they didn’t. You keep repeating this lie. But that’s typical of you. 

Feel welcome to share your understanding of due process.  Please include whether there are levels of due process from criminal matters where we seek to incarcerate or fine, to civil matters, to administrative matters where we seek to deny applications, say for amnesty.  

[shadrap 228]

22 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Feel welcome to share your understanding of due process.  Please include whether there are levels of due process from criminal matters where we seek to incarcerate or fine, to civil matters, to administrative matters where we seek to deny applications, say for amnesty.  

he's got what the latest Dem talking point is.  Most would feel different if a loved one was killed, maimed, raped by an illegal.  their tone would change just a tad.

The Dems side of the coin is Oh God I care!  until it affects them as in Martha's vineyard.  Took them 2 days to get them out.

I care!   

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

42 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Feel welcome to share your understanding of due process.  Please include whether there are levels of due process from criminal matters where we seek to incarcerate or fine, to civil matters, to administrative matters where we seek to deny applications, say for amnesty.  

Sure; here is my simple layman’s understanding. 

When the state arrests or detains anyone in this country that person has the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he or she should not be detained. There are no exceptions to this rule (both Lincoln and FDR claimed exception during time of war but I believe they were wrong.) 

Hows that? So far as I know the Supreme Court agrees with me (at least, they do in the case of Abrego Garcia, is my understanding). Please forgive me if I missed anything important- I didn’t find that somewhere or copy or paste anything- that is my own understanding in my own words. 
 

ETA as to the specifics you asked me to include, I don’t know. I’m sure there are different levels of due process but I don’t know the specifics off the top of my head. In this case (Abrego Garcia) it’s pretty simple, at least to me- prior to his deportation he had the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he should not have been deported. He was not afforded that right. 

[Nomad99 742]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

What does this have to do with the millions of undocumented people here who DON’T commit violent felonies? 

Like the millions of guns & gun owners that don't commit violent felonies but are held accountable and regulated because of a few........this is fun........you get to straw a topic & then i straw another one back at you.....better than pickle ball!!!

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, Nomad99 said:

Like the millions of guns & gun owners that don't commit violent felonies but are held accountable and regulated because of a few........this is fun........you get to straw a topic & then i straw another one back at you.....better than pickle ball!!!

You’re right though. I don’t think that lawful gun owners should be unnecessarily burdened because of the actions of a few people. I do favor some gun regulations but not any that would burden lawful gun owners. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

https://theconversation.com/kilmar-abrego-garcias-wrongful-deportation-case-is-more-about-individual-rights-than-the-trump-administrations-foreign-policy-255067
Here is an article that appears to buttress my arguments about due process. I found this AFTER I replied to @Engorgeous George.