White teen killed by black homeowner after ringing doorbell at 3am

[TimHauck 3,283]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Soccer is comparable to football, they're both sports for example.  It's a matter of whether a comparison is appropriate.  Your attempt to compare a home shooting to the Babbit shooting further than them both being shootings isn't appropriate. It's retarded.  

Well even @WhiteWonder seemed to be okay comparing Babbitt’s shooting to someone breaking into someone’s business?  Do you still disagree with that one?

[WhiteWonder 2,904]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well even @WhiteWonder seemed to be okay comparing Babbitt’s shooting to someone breaking into someone’s business?  Do you still disagree with that one?

I'm not the person to lump in with Horsenuts 

[jbycho 754]

This should be labeled a hate crime. 

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White 121]

4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

He could have unleashed the hounds.

Or the robotic Richard Simmons 

[MLCKAA 586]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Do we know this?

I guess it’s questionable, but I’ve assumed that the news story would read differently if these kids were inside and the guy shot an intruder.  Seems a safe assumption based on what has been reported.

[TimHauck 3,283]

46 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

I guess it’s questionable, but I’ve assumed that the news story would read differently if these kids were inside and the guy shot an intruder.  Seems a safe assumption based on what has been reported.

I don’t know if they were inside, but it’s possible they forced the door open

[jbycho 754]

24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know if they were inside, but it’s possible they forced the door open

"It's possible". 

It's also extremely possible the racist black guy murdered a white kid for ringing his doorbell. 

 

[TimHauck 3,283]

19 minutes ago, jbycho said:

"It's possible". 

It's also extremely possible the racist black guy murdered a white kid for ringing his doorbell. 

 

Good to see that you agree that the shooting of Ralph Yarl wasn’t justified

[listen2me 23 1,948]

13 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

As a 2A proponent, situations like this are worrying to me. I firmly believe in the use of deadly force IF NECESSARY. I don't know the particulars of this instance but whatever the intent was it doesn't seem like it was to the point of deadly force. If I came home & someone was going out the window with my laptop.....I wouldn't shoot them. If I woke up in the middle of the night & someone was in my house...the the tag em & bag em crew would probably show up. I know these situations can be stressful but the importance of assessing the threat level is paramount. Nobody deserves to die for stealing a stereo.....unless they try to do it by force. Nobody deserves to die for coming on your property.......unless they attempt to force entry.

Generally agree with this. 

At same time I also say have some common sense.  These weren't 13 year olds. 18?  To be the one focking around and intentionally getting a rise at 3am and then get sympathy in any way is crazy to me.  Its like saying people are just allowed to put people in vulnerable/confusing spots.   Its like the kid pointing his finger at you in school say but im not touching you and you give him a jab to the face....yet it would be your fault?   

Its unfortunate.  Im pro gun.  You would have to hear the details.  Did they ring the doorbell 2 times and he opened the door and shot them?  Like was mentioned, burgers dont ring doorbells before trying to enter.  Perhaps if you did some undercover scam like home alone.  To see if anyone was home.   

Blame can go both ways here.  Its unfortunate.  I feel worse for the shooter with just going off rough details/facts.   He was the one forced into any sort of position or decision making at 3am.   

[MLCKAA 586]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know if they were inside, but it’s possible they forced the door open

It’s possible they had a backpack full of pepperoncinis.  If they’d been inside I’m pretty sure that would be part of the story.  
 

Could turn out they were inside.  Just doesn’t seem like that’s the story here.

Thanks for being civil throughout discussing this with me.

[jbycho 754]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Good to see that you agree that the shooting of Ralph Yarl wasn’t justified

I never commented on that criminal black dude. I'm talking about the racist hate crime shooting of the topic in this thread. 

Are you this dumb for real? 

 

[TimHauck 3,283]

7 hours ago, jbycho said:

I never commented on that criminal black dude. I'm talking about the racist hate crime shooting of the topic in this thread. 

Are you this dumb for real? 

 

He wasn’t a criminal, you racist.

[TimHauck 3,283]

Some more info I hadn’t seen:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/18-year-old-shot-killed-spotsylvania-county-homeowner-while-reportedly-trying-break-in?taid=6819745df03a0c0001895994&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/friend-says-virginia-teen-shot-killed-homeowner-was-doing-tiktok-challenge
 

-the teenagers were apparently in the backyard

-another neighbor has video of them banging and kicking his garage door

-the shooter was not actually the homeowner, but rather a 27-year old living with his parents and “making a living by sports betting”

[seafoam1 3,397]

Wow, timcrack is losing it.

Working hard to support a black racist murderer. 

Keep the racism rolling timschmuck. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,386]

He was likely racist and looking to kill whites. 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

Didn't we have another similar thread a while back with kids filming themselves inside homeowners homes.  Seems they were looking for reaction from the homeowners as to what they would do so they could post those reactions online.  This seems an inevitable result of such a trend.

 

My general principles collide here.  I believe if you precipitate a crisis, and waking a person at #:00 AM with a confusing and potentially dangerous situation qualifies, you don't get to complain how the confused person you have put to a decision reacts.  I also happen to think gun owners have a high responsibility with their weapons and that they don't get to shoot on hunches or impressions or 'what might come to pass".  Self defense does not extrapolate into the future, it is used in the immediate present when the danger is apparently very real and very immediate. 

[jbycho 754]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Didn't we have another similar thread a while back with kids filming themselves inside homeowners homes.  Seems they were looking for reaction from the homeowners as to what they would do so they could post those reactions online.  This seems an inevitable result of such a trend.

 

My general principles collide here.  I believe if you precipitate a crisis, and waking a person at #:00 AM with a confusing and potentially dangerous situation qualifies, you don't get to complain how the confused person you have put to a decision reacts.  I also happen to think gun owners have a high responsibility with their weapons and that they don't get to shoot on hunches or impressions or 'what might come to pass".  Self defense does not extrapolate into the future, it is used in the immediate present when the danger is apparently very real and very immediate. 

"Inevitable" because eventually you will find the racist black man with a gun at the ready?

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

"Inevitable" because eventually you will find the racist black man with a gun at the ready?

Because eventually one will find a homeowner of any race willing to protect their domicile and confused by the unlawful presence of young males who may be seen as potentially violent simply by thier unauthorized presence.

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Because eventually one will find a homeowner of any race willing to protect their domicile and confused by the unlawful presence of young males who may be seen as potentially violent simply by thier unauthorized presence.

Remember that black "jogger" who just happened to be interested in a building project and was nosing around the home site in a white neighborhood and was chased down and killed by two white residents for trespassing and then they went to prison? 

I guess since the dude was black and unauthorized he should have been left alone. Amirite? 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

4 hours ago, jbycho said:

Remember that black "jogger" who just happened to be interested in a building project and was nosing around the home site in a white neighborhood and was chased down and killed by two white residents for trespassing and then they went to prison? 

I guess since the dude was black and unauthorized he should have been left alone. Amirite? 

As near as I can tell almost never.

[jbycho 754]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

As near as I can tell almost never.

Wrong again tinygeorge.