Derek Carr Decides to Retire

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

55 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

He's like 20-25 other QB's in the league.  Put a good team around him and he'll produce.  Put a bad team around him and he'll be 'meh'.

Agree. He was a great dude and gave everything when on the field. I'm not knocking him 

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Darn good numbers, only proves how horrible the game is today.  

[WhiteWonder 2,735]

David was better... too bad he got demolished behind the Texans line.

[Ray_T 753]

23 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

David was better... too bad he got demolished behind the Texans line.

yeah that was a classic case of ruining the QB by not investing in your O line.

it puzzles me that teams still do this.  you would think they'd learn their lesson but that is clearly not the case.

If I had a poor line and I was spending big time to move up in the draft to grab a QB or using a #1 overall, the first thing I'd do is I'd see if I have a good defensive player that I could trade straight across for an O lineman.   throw in a draft pick if need be but get at least one solid O line guy.   2nd round pick could likely get you a decent guard or centre. and you can likely sign a free agent to plug a third hole.   At that point the line still has holes, but likely  at least is borderline passable.

then what you do is you dont start your new QB in game 1.  let him watch a few games and aim for a start after the teams bye week (or mid season whichever is later)and work on some things to get him ready.

if he gets a cup of coffee in the 2nd half of the season, you have draft picks next year to draft a plug and play O lineman in year 2.  Maybe sign a solid free agent as well at that point and the line (hopefully) isnt an issue.  sure the defense you robbed to fix the line will need work but my general belief is that defenders are more likely to make an immediate impact than offensive guys who can sometimes take a couple years.

so the opportunity will be there to rebuild the Defense.

 

it is a process.

but too many teams decide to go for the shiny new prospect on offense (wr, RB, TE) when they should be making the non sexy OT/OG pick.

[GobbleDog 996]

Derek Carr earned $205 mil over an 11-year career.  

1 playoff appearance. And lost. 

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

Derek Carr earned $205 mil over an 11-year career.  

1 playoff appearance. And lost. 

Congrats to him.  I wouldn’t have turn down that money.  They wanted to pay the man.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Derek Carr earned $205 mil over an 11-year career.  

1 playoff appearance. And lost. 

That's more indicative of the teams he was on than him.  He's been a pretty solid QB on about 11 teams that weren't good.  With the Raiders, 7 of the 9 seasons... the defense ranked in the bottom 10 in the league.  Also, his best weapon was 1 year of Davante Adams.  Amari Cooper, regardless of where he played, was either a stud or invisible on a weekly basis and you never knew which one you were going to get.  He never had a good RB until his 6th year.  That year, his best receiver was a TE.  The following year (2020), they had a top 10 offense and their defense ranked 30th.  No one ever said Carr was great, but he was a solid/competent QB... similar to about 80% of the QB's in his era.  The only difference is that he never had a good coach, offense, or defense to help him.

[Ray_T 753]

41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's more indicative of the teams he was on than him.  He's been a pretty solid QB on about 11 teams that weren't good.  With the Raiders, 7 of the 9 seasons... the defense ranked in the bottom 10 in the league.  Also, his best weapon was 1 year of Davante Adams.  Amari Cooper, regardless of where he played, was either a stud or invisible on a weekly basis and you never knew which one you were going to get.  He never had a good RB until his 6th year.  That year, his best receiver was a TE.  The following year (2020), they had a top 10 offense and their defense ranked 30th.  No one ever said Carr was great, but he was a solid/competent QB... similar to about 80% of the QB's in his era.  The only difference is that he never had a good coach, offense, or defense to help him.

agreed. 

the Raiders might have been one of the top 3 dysfunctional organizations in the NFL over the last 10-15 years.

they may not have been the worst every year, but they were consistently very bad.    There were a number of years where if someone asked you to name his WR most of the people in the fantasy community couldnt do it.    Thats how bad his WR were and even then he managed to put up average to above average numbers (depending on the year)

not saying he deserves to be in the hall of fame or anything, but hes better than his stats would indicate.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

People expect too much. IMO Carr will return to play football. But regardless for the Saints given their long history of ineptitude outside the Brees era, Carr might have been their 2nd-4th best QB all time. He thrived under Gruden & that was prematurely ended. The main thing with Carr IMO was a lack of on field vision & leadership. And he wasn’t a great one with the fans & community, which is not unimportant. He had some laziness to his decision making. He had a beautiful deep ball & he’d rather play downfield than take the 1st downs. Definitely a mixed bag. But he had a successful NFL career. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

26 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

People expect too much. IMO Carr will return to play football. But regardless for the Saints given their long history of ineptitude outside the Brees era, Carr might have been their 2nd-4th best QB all time. He thrived under Gruden & that was prematurely ended. The main thing with Carr IMO was a lack of on field vision & leadership. And he wasn’t a great one with the fans & community, which is not unimportant. He had some laziness to his decision making. He had a beautiful deep ball & he’d rather play downfield than take the 1st downs. Definitely a mixed bag. But he had a successful NFL career. 

After looking into his stats a little more after this post, Derek Carr was a perfect example of a QB with raw talent that needed to be coached in the right way and he would be able to excel.  Under Gruden, his 17-game season projects to 68.8% / 4323 / 24 / 10 and it was accomplished with no real WR's to throw to, as his best receiving weapon was Darren Waller and had 2 years of Josh Jacobs.  To put that in perspective, last year only 6 QB's threw for 4000 yards, 11 threw for 25+ TD's, and only Burrow, Daniels, Herbert, Stafford, and Allen (regular starters with at least 12 starts), threw less than 10 Int's last year.  His 98.8 passer rating would rank him 12th.

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7 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

People expect too much. IMO Carr will return to play football. But regardless for the Saints given their long history of ineptitude outside the Brees era, Carr might have been their 2nd-4th best QB all time. He thrived under Gruden & that was prematurely ended. The main thing with Carr IMO was a lack of on field vision & leadership. And he wasn’t a great one with the fans & community, which is not unimportant. He had some laziness to his decision making. He had a beautiful deep ball & he’d rather play downfield than take the 1st downs. Definitely a mixed bag. But he had a successful NFL career. 

Agreed.  And he played in the right era for him to be successful