L.A. ICE raids/protests thread - California bans ICE agents from wearing masks

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

You're in the minority on this. 

America has always welcomed those who come here the right way. We don't like cheaters. 

I know the massive deportations are costing your party votes. But, like I said, we don't like cheaters. 

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You guys with your extremist views will not win this. There are too many patriots in this country who will not allow it. It’s a struggle right now but the anti-ICE folks will peacefully defeat you. 

You are not a patriot. HTH

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Just now, 5-Points said:

You're in the minority on this. 

America has always welcomed those who come here the right way. We don't like cheaters. 

I know the massive deportations are costing your party votes. But, like I said, we don't like cheaters. 

I’m not in the minority. Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular: 

https://americasvoice.org/polls/203304/

It’s going to cost YOUR party votes not mine. Wake the fock up. You’re on the losing side. 

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You are not a patriot. HTH

I am though. The history books will realize this even if you don’t. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not in the minority. Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular: 

https://americasvoice.org/polls/203304/

It’s going to cost YOUR party votes not mine. Wake the fock up. You’re on the losing side. 

Illegals dont vote Republican. It's costing YOUR party votes. Wake the fock up. I'm on America's side. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I am though. The history books will realize this even if you don’t. 

No, you're not. You care more about illegals, who have no right to be here, than you care about Americans. 

That's antithetical to patriotism. 

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Illegals dont vote Republican. It's costing YOUR party votes. Wake the fock up. I'm on America's side. 

Latinos (the legal ones who can vote) supported Trump in significant numbers because they wanted prices lowered and they didn’t take him seriously about mass deportation. Now they do. That’s the votes your side is losing, along with independents and even some moderate Republicans who really don’t like this. Look at the polling; I’m not making it up. There will be hell to pay for Republicans in the next election. 
 

I know you think you’re on America’s side. But rounding up people in the dead of night, grabbing them off the street, arresting people who aren’t violent criminals, separating families- none of these things are pro-American. It’s not the sort of thing we do, even in the name of law and order. The public sees this. If you don’t, you’re sadly mistaken about patriotism and American values. 

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5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No, you're not. You care more about illegals, who have no right to be here, than you care about Americans. 

That's antithetical to patriotism. 

What you fail to understand is that my main concern is not about undocumented immigrants but about us, legal Americans, and the way we treat them, it’s about us keeping our values, our recognition of what this country stands for. 
 

The United States is the greatest nation state in the history of this planet, without question. The main reason for our greatness, what makes us so different and better than the rest, is that we were founded not on ethnicity or territory but on a set of ideas and values. If we abandon those ideas and values in the name of security or law and order or xenophobia then we give up our greatness. 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You guys with your extremist views will not win this. There are too many patriots in this country who will not allow it. It’s a struggle right now but the anti-ICE folks will peacefully defeat you. 

wanting legal immigration isnt an extreme view dummy

 

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24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not in the minority. Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular: 

https://americasvoice.org/polls/203304/

It’s going to cost YOUR party votes not mine. Wake the fock up. You’re on the losing side. 

cool libtards should run on open borders, see how far that gets

god you people lack the slightest bit of logic

 

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

wanting legal immigration isnt an extreme view dummy

 

Look nobody supports either open borders or undocumented immigration. Myself, I want a regulated, more fair, more open immigration system. And security at the borders. And the bad guys deported. I think most of the public wants that. 
 

But rounding up and deporting the millions of undocumented people already here- that’s insanity. It’s not any kind of solution. Just trying it, as the government is doing now, leads to all kinds of unfortunate outcomes. Plus it’s simply un-American. If they came here illegally, fine them. Allow them to work, allow them to stay on probation. Give them a long path to citizenship. Deport them immediately if they commit a violent crime. But otherwise leave them alone. And fix the whole immigration debacle. 

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look nobody supports either open borders or undocumented immigration. Myself, I want a regulated, more fair, more open immigration system. And security at the borders. And the bad guys deported. I think most of the public wants that. 
 

But rounding up and deporting the millions of undocumented people already here- that’s insanity. It’s not any kind of solution. Just trying it, as the government is doing now, leads to all kinds of unfortunate outcomes. Plus it’s simply un-American. If they came here illegally, fine them. Allow them to work, allow them to stay on probation. Give them a long path to citizenship. Deport them immediately if they commit a violent crime. But otherwise leave them alone. And fix the whole immigration debacle. 

sure you did, you loved what Biden did, and cried when Trump got the border under control

nobody believes you.  Trump fixed the border completely and you hate it

you close the border, and remove them after so they can't just come back.  Thats what hes doing, sure some "innocent" illegal might get swept up, but they can self deport and have an opportunity to come back

then you go after the people who hire them and make them use agg visas for workers

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23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Latinos (the legal ones who can vote) supported Trump in significant numbers because they wanted prices lowered and they didn’t take him seriously about mass deportation. Now they do. That’s the votes your side is losing, along with independents and even some moderate Republicans who really don’t like this. Look at the polling; I’m not making it up. There will be hell to pay for Republicans in the next election. 
 

I know you think you’re on America’s side. But rounding up people in the dead of night, grabbing them off the street, arresting people who aren’t violent criminals, separating families- none of these things are pro-American. It’s not the sort of thing we do, even in the name of law and order. The public sees this. If you don’t, you’re sadly mistaken about patriotism and American values. 

1. The legal ones who voted, voted for Trump in record numbers because they came here legally to escape the kind of trash that would come here illegally. They are in favor of deporting illegals. 

2. Are you still sticking to the lie that illegals don't vote? 

3. Don't ever question my patriotism. My positions are consistent with what is best for America and Americans. 

4. Your open borders policy is un-American. No matter how you try to defend it.

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

sure you did, you loved what Biden did, and cried when Trump got the border under control

nobody believes you.  Trump fixed the border completely and you hate it

 

Rather than call me a liar or challenge my beliefs, because that will get us nowhere, answer me this: what is wrong with my above post? Where do you disagree and why? 

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look nobody supports either open borders or undocumented immigration. Myself, I want a regulated, more fair, more open immigration system. And security at the borders. And the bad guys deported. I think most of the public wants that. 
 

But rounding up and deporting the millions of undocumented people already here- that’s insanity. It’s not any kind of solution. Just trying it, as the government is doing now, leads to all kinds of unfortunate outcomes. Plus it’s simply un-American. If they came here illegally, fine them. Allow them to work, allow them to stay on probation. Give them a long path to citizenship. Deport them immediately if they commit a violent crime. But otherwise leave them alone. And fix the whole immigration debacle. 

 No

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Rather than call me a liar or challenge my beliefs, because that will get us nowhere, answer me this: what is wrong with my above post? Where do you disagree and why? 

all of it, they are breaking the law, they have the option to self deport and get work visas to come here legally

 

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52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not in the minority. Mass deportation is incredibly unpopular: 

https://americasvoice.org/polls/203304/

It’s going to cost YOUR party votes not mine. Wake the fock up. You’re on the losing side. 

 

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The mission of America’s Voice (AV) and America’s Voice Education Fund (AVEF) is to  build the public support and the political will needed to enact policy changes that secure freedom and opportunity for immigrants in America. Priority goal: win reforms that put 11 million undocumented Americans on a path to full citizenship.

Get, that group doesn't have a bias!!!!!

Also, the poll the NYTimes published a few days ago begs to differ with your source's UNBIASED assertions.

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Just now, 5-Points said:

1. The legal ones who voted, voted for Trump in record numbers because they came here legally to escape the kind of trash that would come here illegally. They are in favor of deporting illegals. 

2. Are you still sticking to the lie that illegals don't vote? 

3. Don't ever question my patriotism. My positions are consistent with what is best for America and Americans. 

4. Your open borders policy is un-American. No matter how you try to defend it.

1. That’s not what the exit polls showed after the election and it’s not what they show now. So believe it if you want but the  evidence does not support you. 
2. Undocumented immigrants do not vote in significant numbers to influence any election in this country, national, state or local, much less be a decisive factor. If you have evidence to the contrary please provide it. Nobody ever has.

3. This conversation started with you questioning my patriotism not me questioning yours. FWIW I don’t question your patriotism but I believe you’re sadly mistaken about both what is good for America and what defines American values. Mistaken is not the same as deliberately opposed. I don’t think you’re a bad dude, just very very wrong about this issue. Please don’t question my patriotism either.

4. I’m not in favor of “open borders.” Nobody is. Unfortunately the term has become a catch all among conservatives for anyone who opposes a strictly law and order approach to this issue. 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

Get, that group doesn't have a bias!!!!!

Also, the poll the NYTimes published a few days ago begs to differ with your source's UNBIASED assertions.

Of course that group has a bias. But they link about 10 polls that do not. 
 

I haven’t seen the poll you’re referring to. Can you please link it? I’m skeptical it says what you’re claiming. But if it does it would have to be an outlier. 

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43 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Latinos (the legal ones who can vote) supported Trump in significant numbers because they wanted prices lowered and they didn’t take him seriously about mass deportation. Now they do. That’s the votes your side is losing, along with independents and even some moderate Republicans who really don’t like this. Look at the polling; I’m not making it up. There will be hell to pay for Republicans in the next electio

People who came him the right way actually resent these illegals being given special treatment  but you do you

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Just now, HellToupee said:

People who came him the right way actually resent these illegals being given special treatment  but you do you

I’m sure they do. But they also don’t favor mass deportation or rounding them up. The polls are very clear about this. I’m not speaking for them, neither should you. They will speak for themselves at the next election. 

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course that group has a bias. But they link about 10 polls that do not. 
 

I haven’t seen the poll you’re referring to. Can you please link it? I’m skeptical it says what you’re claiming. But if it does it would have to be an outlier. 

Nope.  No purpose in doing so.  I've given you the source.  If you really care you can find it.

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nope.  No purpose in doing so.  I've given you the source.  If you really care you can find it.

I just looked at over 10 polls on this subject. That’s enough to convince me. The REAL poll will be next November. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. That’s not what the exit polls showed after the election and it’s not what they show now. So believe it if you want but the  evidence does not support you. 
2. Undocumented immigrants do not vote in significant numbers to influence any election in this country, national, state or local, much less be a decisive factor. If you have evidence to the contrary please provide it. Nobody ever has.

3. This conversation started with you questioning my patriotism not me questioning yours. FWIW I don’t question your patriotism but I believe you’re sadly mistaken about both what is good for America and what defines American values. Mistaken is not the same as deliberately opposed. I don’t think you’re a bad dude, just very very wrong about this issue. Please don’t question my patriotism either.

4. I’m not in favor of “open borders.” Nobody is. Unfortunately the term has become a catch all among conservatives for anyone who opposes a strictly law and order approach to this issue. 

I'd stop putting any stock in polls. I've never participated in any polling. Conservatives, especially in states like CA don’t participate in polls. 

I'm sure you know about California's Motor/Voter program wherein they automatically register anybody who gets a driver's license to vote. And we all know California issues DL's to illegals. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they aren't voting and California has/had 10's of millions of illegals until recently. If you don't think that constitutes significant numbers, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the definition of significant. 

My family goes back many generations in this country. Some were pilgrims, some were already here when the pilgrims arrived. I think I know what American values are and what they aren't. Rewarding illegal behavior is not an American value. 

 

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Real Tim puts on display the utter ignorance the left has about Latinos / Hispanics.  He/ they think they are all the same. If he ever actually spent any time with the people he so strongly advocates for and knows nothing about, he wouldn’t talk the way he does. 

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59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Latinos (the legal ones who can vote) supported Trump in significant numbers because they wanted prices lowered and they didn’t take him seriously about mass deportation. Now they do. That’s the votes your side is losing, along with independents and even some moderate Republicans who really don’t like this. Look at the polling; I’m not making it up. There will be hell to pay for Republicans in the next election. 

They sure do now as they are seeing friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members being snatched off the streets and thrown in the back of a truck and taken to some unknown location for deportation (some of whom are US citizens). 

Any gains the GOP has made among Latinos in recent years has been erased and this should solidify Latinos as a dependable voting block for Democrats for decades. 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

They sure do now as they are seeing friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members being snatched off the streets and thrown in the back of a truck and taken to some unknown location for deportation (some of whom are US citizens). 

Any gains the GOP has made among Latinos in recent years has been erased and this should solidify Latinos as a dependable voting block for Democrats for decades. 

Another ignorant liberal that thinks they’re all the same. Keep speaking for them. You’re driving them right into our arms. 

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12 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I'd stop putting any stock in polls. I've never participated in any polling. Conservatives, especially in states like CA don’t participate in polls. 

I'm sure you know about California's Motor/Voter program wherein they automatically register anybody who gets a driver's license to vote. And we all know California issues DL's to illegals. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they aren't voting and California has/had 10's of millions of illegals until recently. If you don't think that constitutes significant numbers, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the definition of significant. 

My family goes back many generations in this country. Some were pilgrims, some were already here when the pilgrims arrived. I think I know what American values are and what they aren't. Rewarding illegal behavior is not an American value. 

 

After Trump lost the California vote by a lot in 2016, which caused him to lose the popular vote overall, he launched an inquiry on illegal voting in our state. They found absolutely nothing. So no this is not a matter of disagreement. There is simply no evidence to support your claim. If you can present some I will change my views. 
 

You should be proud of your family and your heritage. I suspect that on most issues you understand and support American values. But if you are good with what ICE is currently doing then I believe you have gone far astray on this one. 

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Real Tim puts on display the utter ignorance the left has about Latinos / Hispanics.  He/ they think they are all the same. If he ever actually spent any time with the people he so strongly advocates for and knows nothing about, he wouldn’t talk the way he does. 

I certainly don’t believe Latinos are the same. For example a majority of Cuban Americans will likely continue to vote for Republicans no matter what, as a result of their history and the American left’s moronic support for the evil regime of Fidel Castro. 
But the polls show the vast majority of Latinos, including Cuban Americans, are opposed to mass deportation. That’s not me speaking for them. That’s the evidence that we have. It’s not decisive evidence but it is rather overwhelming. Decisive evidence will be next years elections. 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I certainly don’t believe Latinos are the same. For example a majority of Cuban Americans will likely continue to vote for Republicans no matter what, as a result of their history and the American left’s moronic support for the evil regime of Fidel Castro. 
But the polls show the vast majority of Latinos, including Cuban Americans, are opposed to mass deportation. That’s not me speaking for them. That’s the evidence that we have. It’s not decisive evidence but it is rather overwhelming. Decisive evidence will be next years elections. 

There are two states with a large Cuban population, Florida and New Jersey. The ones in NJ vote D. Your ignorance is astounding.