Israel Gaza thread- Trump warns that if Hamas continues to kill people “We will have to go in there and kill them.”

[TimHauck 3,253]

These images are 8 days apart.  As a lifelong wrestler, I know the first place you notice weight loss is your face.  Looks like she’s probably lost at least 10 pounds between the two photos.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

These images are 8 days apart.  As a lifelong wrestler, I know the first place you notice weight loss is your face.  Looks like she’s probably lost at least 10 pounds between the two photos.

 

Amazing how even Fox viewers are seeing the devastation on the ground now. Gaza City is an ancient town, connections to Roman & Crusaders history. It looks like a broken up parking lot.

The Israelis killed 67,000+ people. Took 2700+ prisoners, and arrested multiple journalists. We’re probably going to start seeing documentation of what transpired more fully now. 

[supermike80 2,058]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah, because Israel would never beat their prisoners

Ever watch the Tv Show House?

Everybody lies.

Youre probably one of those believe all women guys too I imagine

[TimHauck 3,253]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Ever watch the Tv Show House?

Everybody lies.

Youre probably one of those believe all women guys too I imagine

Everyone lies, but you only call it out from one side.  Got it.

[supermike80 2,058]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Everyone lies, but you only call it out from one side.  Got it.

Interesting.  I made no comment about the other side.

[TimHauck 3,253]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Interesting.  I made no comment about the other side.

Your initial comment was only about the journalist alleging she was beaten.  You only called out one side, that’s my point.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,508]

Hamas executing people in the streets. I’m shocked. Islam is amazing 

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

34 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Hamas executing people in the streets. I’m shocked. Islam is amazing 

With Trump’s apparent permission and approval. 

[TimHauck 3,253]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

With Trump’s apparent permission and approval. 

Not apparent.  Explicit.

[jerryskids 7,027]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah, because Israel would never beat their prisoners

Of course they would.  They would especially beat a reporter who is part of a Leftie hack organization and who sailed with the Freedom Flotilla who claims Israel destroyed all life, giving her a perfect black eye just prior to releasing her.

Israel loves to kill journalists so much, it makes sense that they did the above instead.   

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,508]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

With Trump’s apparent permission and approval. 

Yes Trump is telling them to murder people 

god you’re retarded 

[jerryskids 7,027]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Not apparent.  Explicit.

Trump explicitly told Hamas to murder people in the street?

Is this where I call you a liar?

[TimHauck 3,253]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Trump explicitly told Hamas to murder people in the street?

Is this where I call you a liar?

He didn’t tell them to.  But he explicitly approved of it.  The video has already been posted.

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

21 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yes Trump is telling them to murder people 

god you’re retarded 

But that’s not what I wrote. Never wrote he told them to do it. I wrote that after it was done he gave his permission and seemed to approve (which is why I wrote “apparent”; “explicit” is too strong for me; Trump almost NEVER does anything explicitly.) 

Perhaps the fact that you changed what I wrote indicates that YOU’RE the one lacking cognitive abilities? 

[TimHauck 3,253]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

But that’s not what I wrote. Never wrote he told them to do it. I wrote that after it was done he gave his permission and seemed to approve (which is why I wrote “apparent”; “explicit” is too strong for me; Trump almost NEVER does anything explicitly.) 

Perhaps the fact that you changed what I wrote indicates that YOU’RE the one lacking cognitive abilities? 

Seems pretty explicit to me, but I understand you not giving these jokers wiggle room to deflect 

 

 

 

[Fnord 2,463]

22 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The unrealized potential of Palestinian oil and gas reserves

 

22 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Kushner & Witkoff met directly with Hamas.

 

22 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

President Trump's approach to pursuing a ceasefire in Gaza was driven by real estate developers, including Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner.

- We had the Marshall Plan, & then we have the “Take The Oil & Mediterranean Beachfront” plan where the President & his family directly profit off of US foreign policy & military.

THERE IT IS!!! You had to know it wouldn't take long for the details of who put together the deal, and why, got out there. This is not about Israel or Palestine or peace. It's about money, resources, and real estate. Regardless of what else happens, Trump pockets will be lined.

[jerryskids 7,027]

18 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

 

THERE IT IS!!! You had to know it wouldn't take long for the details of who put together the deal, and why, got out there. This is not about Israel or Palestine or peace. It's about money, resources, and real estate. Regardless of what else happens, Trump pockets will be lined.

I think instead of trying a new, capitalism/investment/improvement-based approach like the Trump team did, he should have stuck with the failed middle-east policy of the past 80 years.  After all, what matters isn't the end of the war and the bringing of Gaza into modern times.  What's important is that nobody associated with Trump benefits in parallel.   

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

22 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

 

THERE IT IS!!! You had to know it wouldn't take long for the details of who put together the deal, and why, got out there. This is not about Israel or Palestine or peace. It's about money, resources, and real estate. Regardless of what else happens, Trump pockets will be lined.

This is a little bit too cynical for me. If I wanted to make money Gaza wouldn’t exactly be my first choice. 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a little bit too cynical for me. If I wanted to make money Gaza wouldn’t exactly be my first choice. 

Have you seen a dollar figure estimate on building up Gaza?

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

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New discoveries of natural gas in the Levant Basin are in the range of 122 trillion cubic foot while recoverable oil is estimated at 1.7 billion barrels, according to the study, entitled “The Economic Cost of Occupation for the Palestinian People: The Unrealized Oil and Natural Gas Potential.”

This offers an opportunity to distribute and share about US$ 524 billion among the different parties in the region and promote peace and cooperation among old belligerents, the study notes.<<
 

 - 2019

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

UN Redevelopment Programme Representative: the cost of rebuilding Gaza will be $70 billion.

[The Real timschochet 7,299]

OK I see where you’re going with this. I take it back. 

[Fnord 2,463]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I think instead of trying a new, capitalism/investment/improvement-based approach like the Trump team did, he should have stuck with the failed middle-east policy of the past 80 years.  After all, what matters isn't the end of the war and the bringing of Gaza into modern times.  What's important is that nobody associated with Trump benefits in parallel.   

What benefit will "bringing Gaza into modern times" bring actual Gazans/Palestinians? What are the odds they will be in charge of their glorious new "home?" That they'll be able to govern themselves? How will that ensure lasting peace? Details are pretty damn sparce about what's supposed to happen after Hamas magically get disarmed and stops their (Trump-sanctioned) reprisals against opposing clans.

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9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

What benefit will "bringing Gaza into modern times" bring actual Gazans/Palestinians? What are the odds they will be in charge of their glorious new "home?" That they'll be able to govern themselves? How will that ensure lasting peace? Details are pretty damn sparce about what's supposed to happen after Hamas magically get disarmed and stops their (Trump-sanctioned) reprisals against opposing clans.

Benefits?  I dunno, jobs, technology, industry, infrastructure?  Will Joe Palestinian own a casino?  Probably not, although I could see development under a public/private arrangement.  Also safety: do you think the people doing the development will let Hamas run around shooting people long term?  

Will they govern themselves?  Time will tell.  To date, they have done roughly 0.0 amount to show that they can govern themselves without electing the latest terrorist group du jour.

I stand by my post.  If these are objections, you are saying you'd rather the Palestinians revert to the prior centuries of barbaric, warring tribes, probably because you begrudge Trump people benefitting in parallel.

[Fnord 2,463]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Benefits?  I dunno, jobs, technology, industry, infrastructure?  Will Joe Palestinian own a casino?  Probably not, although I could see development under a public/private arrangement.  Also safety: do you think the people doing the development will let Hamas run around shooting people long term?  

Will they govern themselves?  Time will tell.  To date, they have done roughly 0.0 amount to show that they can govern themselves without electing the latest terrorist group du jour.

I stand by my post.  If these are objections, you are saying you'd rather the Palestinians revert to the prior centuries of barbaric, warring tribes, probably because you begrudge Trump people benefitting in parallel.

That's not what I'm saying at all, and I suspect you know that. Obviously nobody wants to return to what has been, but isn't the point to do right by those that are supposed to be living there? Point me to where any of these radical, beautiful plans mention what happens to the millions of displaced Palestinians. I'll save you the time: you won't find it, other than some vague words about how citizens can "stay and help rebuild" while other nations control the area.

I will also point out that up until Trump, the outcry that would have been heard from the right if a POTUS was making political deals to line his own pockets would have meant imminent (deserved) impeachment. But now we just ignore those things. Corruption is now accepted, at least among MAGA.

[supermike80 2,058]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Your initial comment was only about the journalist alleging she was beaten.  You only called out one side, that’s my point.

I called out that one thing.  You extrapolated it into more.  That's on you big fella.  Stay focused.  Don't put words into people's mouths or force your opinions on others.  

[supermike80 2,058]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

 

 

THERE IT IS!!! You had to know it wouldn't take long for the details of who put together the deal, and why, got out there. This is not about Israel or Palestine or peace. It's about money, resources, and real estate. Regardless of what else happens, Trump pockets will be lined.

Um Fnord?   Everything is about money, power and resources.   EVERYTHING

[Fnord 2,463]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Um Fnord?   Everything is about money, power and resources.   EVERYTHING

We are on the same page then.

Now, if you would be so kind, would you please inform me how it's okay for our President to personally profit from his own policy decisions, especially those with such historical and far-reaching geopolitical ramifications? Or how the negotiations were properly handled given that Israel was not a part of them? Or how they were brokered by financiers, as opposed to elected officials, or hell, even folks with some semblance of being an actual stakeholder in regional peace, as opposed to shills for Qatari and SA oil and sovereign wealth funds?

Peace in the ME is a worthwhile goal. I don't see how parsing out Gaza amongst large corporate interests will bring lasting peace. The whole thing is designed to make rich people more rich. With little or no regard for those that have lived there.

[Maximum Overkill 2,346]

7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

These images are 8 days apart.  As a lifelong wrestler, I know the first place you notice weight loss is your face.  Looks like she’s probably lost at least 10 pounds between the two photos.

 

Next time she'll listen 

[TimHauck 3,253]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

I called out that one thing.  You extrapolated it into more.  That's on you big fella.  Stay focused.  Don't put words into people's mouths or force your opinions on others.  

I was merely pointing out that you said “everybody lies,” but only pointed out one particular side lying.

Do you agree the IDF lies as well?

[jonnyutah 521]

The scorpion will always sting the frog. That is just who they are. 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

22 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

The scorpion will always sting the frog. That is just who they are. 

Wait isn’t that the story Trump tells on the campaign trail about himself?

[jonnyutah 521]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Wait isn’t that the story Trump tells on the campaign trail about himself?

I thought he told it about Muslims? 

 

[shadrap 249]

5 hours ago, Fnord said:

What benefit will "bringing Gaza into modern times" bring actual Gazans/Palestinians? What are the odds they will be in charge of their glorious new "home?" That they'll be able to govern themselves? How will that ensure lasting peace? Details are pretty damn sparce about what's supposed to happen after Hamas magically get disarmed and stops their (Trump-sanctioned) reprisals against opposing clans.

odds?   1,000,000 to 1 that all of this happens.  Actually, that any of this happens.

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

Joe Biden and Netanyahu were offered Gaza deal a year ago, says negotiator Gershon Baskin says he got the plan on to the president’s desk but then learnt the Israelis were waiting for a change of administration in Washington

>>

Israelis and Palestinians may have danced in the streets when news broke overnight that a deal had been reached between Hamas and Israel over the first phase of a peace deal for Gaza.

But the terms of the deal were in place more than a year ago, according to an independent Israeli negotiator, and could have been agreed months ago.

Gershon Baskin, the architect of the negotiations that freed the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011, revealed on Thursday that Hamas had agreed the exact same terms of the deal in September 2024, in the last months of the Biden administration, but that Biden officials had disregarded it while Binyamin Netanyahu had refused point blank.

“This deal could have been done a long time ago,” Baskin wrote in an essay revealing his involvement. “Hamas agreed to all of the same terms in September 2024 in what became known as the ‘Three Weeks Deal’ that I had received in writing and voice message in Arabic and in English. But at that point the response of the Israeli negotiators was that ‘the prime minister did not agree to end the war’.”

…

Baskin would soon learn that the Israelis had no intention of striking any agreement before a change of administration in Washington. On December 26, 2024, Baskin met Ronen Bar, then head of the Shin Bet agency, where he “was requested not to use my back channels, because ‘in three weeks there will be a ceasefire deal’”. 

“From that moment, it was clear to me that the only way that the war would come to an end is when President Trump makes the decision that it has to end,” he said. He set about establishing a back channel to Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, “knowing that the negotiation did not have to be directly with the Israeli side. The Israeli side would accept whatever Trump forced them to accept.”

Baskin heard Witkoff would be at a bitcoin conference in Abu Dhabi and caught a flight there. The encounter led to swift negotiations resulting in a ceasefire on January 19, allowing Trump to boast that he had brought peace to the Middle East before he even returned to office the next day.

The ceasefire had three stages, the first of which saw 33 Israeli hostages released in exchange for 1,900 Palestinian prisoners, while Israeli troops were to withdraw from populated areas and humanitarian aid flooded in. The second and third stages were designed to achieve a permanent ceasefire with the release of additional hostages and prisoners while Israel completely withdrew and reconstruction began. The deal collapsed when Israel refused to progress past the first stage, stranding the remaining hostages. Israel put Gaza under siege and launched a fresh offensive. Each side traded blame over the coming months as famine gripped parts of Gaza.

On September 8, Baskin was with American negotiators as the Qatari government presented Hamas with effectively the same deal from a year earlier. With only 20 living hostages remaining, they were all on the table at the same time. 

The negotiations collapsed a day later when Israel bombed the home of the Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya, killing his son.

….

Arab leaders infuriated by the Doha strike went to the White House where Baskin’s plan formed the basis of what would become Trump’s 20-point plan. 

Trump called Netanyahu personally to tell him they were close to a deal. Netanyahu tried to resist. “Why are you so negative?” Trump is reported to have fumed. When Netanyahu tried to tweak the plan, Qatari mediators, who had refused to leave, did their best to pull him back.

Hamas signalled their agreement, despite silence on key issues such as disarmament, and Trump enthusiastically accepted. …<<
 

- Times of London

[jerryskids 7,027]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

Arab leaders infuriated by the Doha strike went to the White House where Baskin’s plan formed the basis of what would become Trump’s 20-point plan. 

Trump called Netanyahu personally to tell him they were close to a deal. Netanyahu tried to resist. “Why are you so negative?” Trump is reported to have fumed. When Netanyahu tried to tweak the plan, Qatari mediators, who had refused to leave, did their best to pull him back.

Hamas signalled their agreement, despite silence on key issues such as disarmament, and Trump enthusiastically accepted. …<<
 

- Times of London

The end captures the important parts:

- It's not the same deal; the deal last year "formed the basis."  Not the current plan, which you keep saying.

- The 20-point plan includes disarmament and Hamas ceding control.  Are you and/or the Times of London implying that Hamas would have agreed to that a year ago?  If so, that's dumb talk.

- Sounds like Hamas might think they are clever by "silence on key issues."  If so, then Israel goes back in and they FAFO.  Lefties like you and TimH will blame Israel of course.

- I deleted it, but you have been trying to show discontent between Trump and Israel.  You know that Trump was just welcomed into Israel as a hero, by Netanyahu, by the Knesset, but the opposition party leader?

[supermike80 2,058]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I was merely pointing out that you said “everybody lies,” but only pointed out one particular side lying.

Do you agree the IDF lies as well?

Please refer back to my House reference

[TimHauck 3,253]

Criticizing the Free Press is anti-Semitic!

Hard hitting commentary like this must be what CBS paid $150 million for.  (This is the scholar that wrote the article denying the famine in Gaza).

 

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I deleted it, but you have been trying to show discontent between Trump and Israel.  You know that Trump was just welcomed into Israel as a hero, by Netanyahu, by the Knesset, but the opposition party leader?

I did see the reception. The war has been very unpopular in Israel, there have been large mass protests against it. But nonetheless Netanyahu carried it on. He’s been in office for almost 16 years, 18 years total. I think almost everyone there was relieved to see the suffering & fear ended, but it should have been over a year ago or really by this past January.

[SaintsInDome2006 573]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The end captures the important parts:

- It's not the same deal; the deal last year "formed the basis."  Not the current plan, which you keep saying.

- The 20-point plan includes disarmament and Hamas ceding control.  Are you and/or the Times of London implying that Hamas would have agreed to that a year ago?  If so, that's dumb talk.

- Sounds like Hamas might think they are clever by "silence on key issues."  If so, then Israel goes back in and they FAFO.  Lefties like you and TimH will blame Israel of course.

It’s the same deal & Baskin isn’t the only one to say that. It was also reported last summer that Trump - who had zero official role but nonetheless was talking to people like Netanyahu, Putin & Xi - was talking to Bibi & that he encouraged Netanyahu to wait because the co flick was bad for the Dems, which it was. 

But I’ll tell you who else is celebrating & even more loudly - the Palestinians, Hamas & the Arabs.

I do think one thing has changed though - who will get the redevelopment contracts. IMO Trump & his Arab benefactors have done a good amount of self-dealing there that didn’t exist last summer, which was probably Trump’s real goal last summer.
 

Not only did waiting cause I told more deaths & destruction & thee loss of hostages but it was also bad for Israel & the US. Now almost 200 nations recognize a Palestine state, including our closest allies who have just blown off the US. And Trump has made himself & the US the middle of all this instead of relying on international consensus.

Hamas was always going to have to stand down. What was never resolved, & still isn’t, is how. Post deal they’ve been free to conduct reprisals & purges. And the US has authorized them to do so. And a couple days ago Trump said that if they don’t disarm themselves the US will disarm them. And we’ve committed 200 trooos to do that, which is fewer than what we’re sending to our own cities to confront protestors in costumes.