Israel Gaza thread

[jerryskids 6,938]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Strike says criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic

I don't think that's Strike's position, but I'll let him discuss that with you.

Meanwhile I'll put the goalposts back into place and reiterate that @JohnnyUtah's post perfectly described you.   

[TimHauck 3,038]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think that's Strike's position, but I'll let him discuss that with you.

Meanwhile I'll put the goalposts back into place and reiterate that @JohnnyUtah's post perfectly described you.   

So you agree with that criticizing Israel isn’t anti-Semitic?  Well that’s progress at least

[jerryskids 6,938]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So you agree with that criticizing Israel isn’t anti-Semitic?  Well that’s progress at least

I didnt say that.  Way to avoid my point, though. 

Tell us where you disagree with johnnyutah's post

[Strike 5,761]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Strike says criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic

Tell us you're 6 years old without telling us you're 6 years old.  I guess that explains why you hang out with Billy in a gaming chat room every night.

[TimHauck 3,038]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Tell us you're 6 years old without telling us you're 6 years old.  I guess that explains why you hang out with Billy in a gaming chat room every night.

Thanks for confirming you think it’s anti-Semitic to criticize Israel (not that you needed to, you’ve said it previously).

[iam90sbaby 2,660]

14 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You and @iam90sbabyare every bit as woke as the blue haired Lefties.  "The Jews are successful so they oppress me.  It's not fair, waaaaahhhh."  Pathetic, really. 

 

Lmao, come on Jerry you can do better than that, try again 

[iam90sbaby 2,660]

15 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Sad.

Jerry thinks he’s conservative because he supports low taxes… but he will also call you a lady if you ask him nicely 🥹

[jerryskids 6,938]

20 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Lmao, come on Jerry you can do better than that, try again 

Educate me as to why you hate Jews, if not jealousy at their success?

[TimHauck 3,038]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I didnt say that.  Way to avoid my point, though. 

Tell us where you disagree with johnnyutah's post

I don’t incessantly seek it out.  I did seek it out over the course of a couple days during our initial conversation about war crimes, but nowadays I just share the occasional post that comes up on my feed or that I hear about in a podcast I already listen to.  And the only reason I was “seeking it out” initially was because you were asking for examples, but then denying the ones I provided were proof.  And I did prove that Israel has committed multiple war crimes, and lied.  The main thing I didn’t find was video of Palestinian civilians being shot by the IDF at aid sites (which was like the 3rd or 4th example I provided), but there is other evidence that that happened.

But to answer @jonnyutah’s question, me feeling more strongly about this topic is probably partly a result of that conversation TBH.

I’ll remind you that that conversation didn’t even start in a thread about the war.  It started in the Mamdani thread (which makes it more weird that for some reason you seem to think every post I make in this thread should be about proving Israel is committing war crimes). 

In the OP of the thread I noted that Mamdani had the support of Brad Lander, NYC’s highest ranking Jewish official.  And, tying these two discussions together, I noted that Jewish people supporting him could separate being critical of Israel from being anti-Semitic.

You said this (direct quote): The Jews who "separate Israel from Jews" are not very Jewish.  That was your initial comment.  Nor are the ones who voted for a Muslim Socialist.  That was my point.

Me (direct quote): Can you please expand on why you feel this way?  I disagree, as I do believe that someone can be anti-Israel (or at least acknowledge that Israel has committed war crimes) without being anti-Semitic.

That was a pretty tame comment I thought.  Between Israel and Hamas, Israel of course is the good guy.  But they’re definitely not “the most moral army in the world” or whatever.

After that is when you asked about examples of war crimes, and per usual invoked Hamas and did your (paraphrasing) “but what should Israel do instead of killing kids??” thing.

Overall, I’ve found it interesting that there’s definitely seemed to be an increase nationally in the number of people questioning Israel’s actions.  Including among Republicans, but perhaps most notably among “centrist” podcasters like Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, etc.  Yet some, including both people here and politicians nationally seem to think that Israel can do wrong (I know you’ll say you never said that, but then will downplay every example when they do).

But going back to the “you think criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic” comment, you did say in the Mamdani thread that if they vote for Mamdani they’re “not very Jewish.”  So you’re basically saying that Jews shouldn’t support someone that is critical of Israel…

[Hardcore troubadour 15,592]

Holy shitt.  Get a dog. Tl/dr

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 you did say in the Mamdani thread that if they vote for Mamdani they’re “not very Jewish”

This sounds oddly like Joe Biden’s infamous remark. 

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16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Israel has committed war crimes

You are putting Israelis and Jewish American lives at risk with your senseless rhetoric. 

[iam90sbaby 2,660]

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Educate me as to why you hate Jews, if not jealousy at their success?

For me, they have a hand in 99% of the anti white propaganda you see on a daily basis. 109 countries aren’t wrong… also Jewish women are usually whores 

[jerryskids 6,938]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t incessantly seek it out.  I did seek it out over the course of a couple days during our initial conversation about war crimes, but nowadays I just share the occasional post that comes up on my feed or that I hear about in a podcast I already listen to.  And the only reason I was “seeking it out” initially was because you were asking for examples, but then denying the ones I provided were proof.  And I did prove that Israel has committed multiple war crimes, and lied.  The main thing I didn’t find was video of Palestinian civilians being shot by the IDF at aid sites (which was like the 3rd or 4th example I provided), but there is other evidence that that happened.

But to answer @jonnyutah’s question, me feeling more strongly about this topic is probably partly a result of that conversation TBH.

I’ll remind you that that conversation didn’t even start in a thread about the war.  It started in the Mamdani thread (which makes it more weird that for some reason you seem to think every post I make in this thread should be about proving Israel is committing war crimes). 

In the OP of the thread I noted that Mamdani had the support of Brad Lander, NYC’s highest ranking Jewish official.  And, tying these two discussions together, I noted that Jewish people supporting him could separate being critical of Israel from being anti-Semitic.

You said this (direct quote): The Jews who "separate Israel from Jews" are not very Jewish.  That was your initial comment.  Nor are the ones who voted for a Muslim Socialist.  That was my point.

Me (direct quote): Can you please expand on why you feel this way?  I disagree, as I do believe that someone can be anti-Israel (or at least acknowledge that Israel has committed war crimes) without being anti-Semitic.

That was a pretty tame comment I thought.  Between Israel and Hamas, Israel of course is the good guy.  But they’re definitely not “the most moral army in the world” or whatever.

After that is when you asked about examples of war crimes, and per usual invoked Hamas and did your (paraphrasing) “but what should Israel do instead of killing kids??” thing.

Overall, I’ve found it interesting that there’s definitely seemed to be an increase nationally in the number of people questioning Israel’s actions.  Including among Republicans, but perhaps most notably among “centrist” podcasters like Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, etc.  Yet some, including both people here and politicians nationally seem to think that Israel can do wrong (I know you’ll say you never said that, but then will downplay every example when they do).

But going back to the “you think criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic” comment, you did say in the Mamdani thread that if they vote for Mamdani they’re “not very Jewish.”  So you’re basically saying that Jews shouldn’t support someone that is critical of Israel…

You didn't find the videos, but it wasn't for lack of trying.  You looked and posted stuff for weeks trying to support that.  That is not the objective behavior of someone looking for truth.  That is a zealot.

Other war crimes?  Like, killing a "journalist" who works with Hamas.  Wait, you said "of course Israel says..." if I had a nickel for every time you say that, I'd have a barrel full of nickels.  Part of your obvious Hamas support is your consistent dismissal of anything Israel says, and belief of anything against Israel.  That is not the attitude of a person who thinks Israel is better than Hamas.

You did, however, somewhere in this screed admit that you've been on a heater trying to find evidence to support your position, and every day that you can't, you get worse.  Occasional post?  You post multiple things per day.

Finally, Mamdani is worse that criticizing Israel.  He wants to globalize the intifada, remember?  You are either not very Jewish or are very stupid, probably both, if you are a Jew who votes for Mamdani.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

 

Finally, Mamdani is worse that criticizing Israel.  He wants to globalize the intifada, remember? 

No he doesn’t.  You are not a serious poster.

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No he doesn’t.  You are not a serious poster.

 

NBC News and the rest of the MSDNC was lobbing him as many softballs as they could to get him to condemn the phrase, but he won't.

Should a Jew be concerned that he won't condemn it?  I think a smart one should. 

[TimHauck 3,038]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

NBC News and the rest of the MSDNC was lobbing him as many softballs as they could to get him to condemn the phrase, but he won't.

Should a Jew be concerned that he won't condemn it?  I think a smart one should. 

I’ll jot you down as being against free speech, noted.

Anyone that listens to that clip and concludes Mamdani is anti-Semitic is not a serious person.

[jerryskids 6,938]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll jot you down as being against free speech, noted.

Anyone that listens to that clip and concludes Mamdani is anti-Semitic is not a serious person.

Anyone who thinks condemning a phrase to commit global violence on Jews, is the same as being against free speech, is not a serious person.

We get it Tim, you hate Jews, and you can't even get yourself to say that Mamdani has a troubling lack of concern about violence against them.

You are an odd Jew, who supports all things against his people and their homeland.   

[TimHauck 3,038]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Anyone who thinks condemning a phrase to commit global violence on Jews, is the same as being against free speech, is not a serious person.

We get it Tim, you hate Jews, and you can't even get yourself to say that Mamdani has a troubling lack of concern about violence against them.

You are an odd Jew, who supports all things against his people and their homeland.   

He literally said he doesn’t use the phrase.  Somehow to you that means he wants to do it.

You're not a serious person.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He literally said he doesn’t use the phrase.  Somehow to you that means he wants to do it.

You're not a serious person.

Hey Zohran, do you support the phrase "black people are all stupid and violent?"

Zohran:  well, I don't use that phrase, but I'm all about free speech.   

[TimHauck 3,038]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hey Zohran, do you support the phrase "black people are all stupid and violent?"

Zohran:  well, I don't use that phrase, but I'm all about free speech.   

We get it Jerry, you hate Muslims.

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10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

We get it Jerry, you hate Muslims.

Great conclusion from this discussion, serious poster.   

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Great conclusion from this discussion, serious poster.   

Just using your logic 

[TimHauck 3,038]

20 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I didnt say that.  Way to avoid my point, though. 

Tell us where you disagree with johnnyutah's post

So do you think criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic?

 

in b4 @Meglamaniac says “check yes or no”

[TimHauck 3,038]

On 8/21/2025 at 12:00 PM, TimHauck said:

 

Overall, I’ve found it interesting that there’s definitely seemed to be an increase nationally in the number of people questioning Israel’s actions.  Including among Republicans, but perhaps most notably among “centrist” podcasters like Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, etc.  Yet some, including both people here and politicians nationally seem to think that Israel can do wrong (I know you’ll say you never said that, but then will downplay every example when they do).

 

Add Megyn Kelly to this list?

 

[TimHauck 3,038]

On 8/20/2025 at 9:09 PM, TimHauck said:

So you agree with that criticizing Israel isn’t anti-Semitic?  Well that’s progress at least

 

On 8/21/2025 at 12:50 AM, jerryskids said:

I didnt say that. 

 

17 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So do you think criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic?

 

in b4 @Meglamaniac says “check yes or no”

Bump

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Overall, I’ve found it interesting that there’s definitely seemed to be an increase nationally in the number of people questioning Israel’s actions.  Including among Republicans, but perhaps most notably among “centrist” podcasters like Rogan, Theo Von, Tim Dillon, etc.  Yet some, including both people here and politicians nationally seem to think that Israel can do wrong (I know you’ll say you never said that, but then will downplay every example when they do).

How many people criticize Israel and never talk about Jews controlling xyz? 

I dont listen to Rogan much(i have listened to magbe 5-6 of his over the years) or Von (just his comedy). I actually dont even know who Tim Dillon is. Perhaps they are these people. 

Typically people that criticize Israel also say these things. The criticism of Israel also usually just translates to I wish they were nicer to the people trying to kill them. Which is really pointless criticism. 

They usually are swayed by dumb propaganda. They love to claim they are jews like oklahoman women claim they are cherokee princesses. 

So many of them online suddenly got motivated to criticize the treatment of Palestinians immediately after 10/7. They are usually the same people that excuse looting and letting criminals go. In other words, they are biased toward dregs of society. 

They also usually try and make righteous arguments about a very muddy situation and somehow never care about the far worse things that happen in other parts of the world or what Palestinians do, brushing it off as just Hamas. 

They usually have no historical knowledge of the region and somehow delude themselves into thinking Palestinians are mostly just good decent people put in a bad spot. If Israel would just be really nice to them it would be different.

Now mind you, there are plenty of people that criticized israel before 10/7. But the interesting tidbit there that I think sums up this whole debate, is most of those people strongly disagreed with moving our embassy to Jerusalem and recognizing that as the capital. 

Mostly because they thought Palestinians would blow stuff up. 

Deep down they know that the Palestinians are mostly just inbred, insane, bloodthirsty, Jordanian rejects. They only admit it when they dont actually realize they are admitting it. 

This is all why it is so hard to take Pro Pals seriously. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,592]

Wipe em out

[jerryskids 6,938]

56 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Bump

In a vacuum, not necessarily.

With your obsessive, myopic body of work, as we've presented in this thread, particularly in recent pages, yes.

HTH

[TimHauck 3,038]

15 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

How many people criticize Israel and never talk about Jews controlling xyz? 

I dont listen to Rogan much(i have listened to magbe 5-6 of his over the years) or Von (just his comedy). I actually dont even know who Tim Dillon is. Perhaps they are these people. 

Typically people that criticize Israel also say these things. The criticism of Israel also usually just translates to I wish they were nicer to the people trying to kill them. Which is really pointless criticism. 

They usually are swayed by dumb propaganda. They love to claim they are jews like oklahoman women claim they are cherokee princesses. 

So many of them online suddenly got motivated to criticize the treatment of Palestinians immediately after 10/7. They are usually the same people that excuse looting and letting criminals go. In other words, they are biased toward dregs of society. 

They also usually try and make righteous arguments about a very muddy situation and somehow never care about the far worse things that happen in other parts of the world or what Palestinians do, brushing it off as just Hamas. 

They usually have no historical knowledge of the region and somehow delude themselves into thinking Palestinians are mostly just good decent people put in a bad spot. If Israel would just be really nice to them it would be different.

Other than like Nick Fuentes, who notable actually talks about Jews controlling xyz (I know Cdub and iam90sbaby do here)?  I know MTG has the space laser post from 2018 (and of course did not specifically call them “Jewish”), but even her I’m not sure I probably wouldn’t put in that category.

And of course a lot of the libs criticizing Israel are actually Jewish, so they’re definitely not saying Jews control xyz.  Probably 95%+ of the criticism I see of Israel is focused specifically on their actions in Gaza/the West Bank and is not anti-Semitic.

But yes, I would say being “nicer” to the Palestinians is the crux of the argument.  Some of the things people are most mad about is them killing people that aren’t trying to kill them though, like children, doctors and journalists.  I’m sure there were some people in those groups that were trying to kill them, but that doesn’t make it okay to kill any of those that Israel wants to.

I disagree with your comment about “immediately after 10/7” though.  I’m sure some did that but as I said in the post you quoted, what I’ve found interesting is the increase in criticism of Israel more recently.  Reasonable people such as myself know that 10/7 was horrible and Israel was justified in fighting back.  But I think after nearly 2 years, a lot of people are like okay I think now you might be going a little overboard, so if nothing else many at least think we shouldn’t be funding it (even though yes Jerry I know Hamas is not gone yet).

Speaking of, can you share some examples of what “Palestinians” but specifically not Hamas, have done recently that would also justify Israel’s actions?  I mean kinda on that topic, I think the West Bank is evidence that Israel is “not being nice to Palestinians” even when they’re not fighting Hamas.  And considering Israelis there are basically trying to move in to where Palestinians are living, that would seem like an odd thing to do if the Palestinians were so “insane and bloodthirsty.”

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17 hours ago, jerryskids said:

And yet somehow, you never encounter a single post supporting Israel or speaking poorly of Hamas, UNRWA, or the Hamas operatives that IDF has killed.

It's yet another conundrum wrapped in an enigma.   

 

16 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I take it you haven’t listened to the Megyn Kelly clip I posted in the Gaza thread. She speaks poorly of Hamas (as I have numerous times), but also is starting to question Israel.  Similar to how folks (except for you and Strike) can separate Israel from Jews, they can also separate Hamas’s actions from Israel’s actions.   Just because Hamas is worse doesn’t excuse everything that Israel does.

 

16 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Your response to my statement is a Megyn Kelly clip that supports your side?   

Bringing this to the proper thread. Jerry, did you watch the clip?  Kelly speaks very poorly of Hamas, and even accuses them of propaganda.

But I guess if someone is even slightly critical of Israel, you think they are pro-Hamas.  Lol.

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5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Other than like Nick Fuentes, who notable actually talks about Jews controlling xyz (I know Cdub and iam90sbaby do here)?  I know MTG has the space laser post from 2018 (and of course did not specifically call them “Jewish”), but even her I’m not sure I probably wouldn’t put in that category.

And of course a lot of the libs criticizing Israel are actually Jewish, so they’re definitely not saying Jews control xyz.  Probably 95%+ of the criticism I see of Israel is focused specifically on their actions in Gaza/the West Bank and is not anti-Semitic.

But yes, I would say being “nicer” to the Palestinians is the crux of the argument.  Some of the things people are most mad about is them killing people that aren’t trying to kill them though, like children, doctors and journalists.  I’m sure there were some people in those groups that were trying to kill them, but that doesn’t make it okay to kill any of those that Israel wants to.

I disagree with your comment about “immediately after 10/7” though.  I’m sure some did that but as I said in the post you quoted, what I’ve found interesting is the increase in criticism of Israel more recently.  Reasonable people such as myself know that 10/7 was horrible and Israel was justified in fighting back.  But I think after nearly 2 years, a lot of people are like okay I think now you might be going a little overboard, so if nothing else many at least think we shouldn’t be funding it (even though yes Jerry I know Hamas is not gone yet).

Speaking of, can you share some examples of what “Palestinians” but specifically not Hamas, have done recently that would also justify Israel’s actions?  I mean kinda on that topic, I think the West Bank is evidence that Israel is “not being nice to Palestinians” even when they’re not fighting Hamas.  And considering Israelis there are basically trying to move in to where Palestinians are living, that would seem like an odd thing to do if the Palestinians were so “insane and bloodthirsty.”

Palestinian civilians have held hostages in their homes.  Also, you have argued that non-Hamas people have stolen food trucks.

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Palestinian civilians have held hostages in their homes.  Also, you have argued that non-Hamas people have stolen food trucks.

Oh ok, so since there are American criminals as well, that means Americans overall are “insane and bloodthirsty”?

Also ironic considering it’s very possible the video you’re referencing was actually people protecting the aid from being stolen by Hamas.

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46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Oh ok, so since there are American criminals as well, that means Americans overall are “insane and bloodthirsty”?

Also ironic considering it’s very possible the video you’re referencing was actually people protecting the aid from being stolen by Hamas.

You asked for examples.  I provided two.  You could have saved me some time if I knew you would respond with this ridiculous pablum.

Logic and you are strangers.

[Maximum Overkill 2,175]

Israel hits Gaza hospital, killing at least 15 people, including journalists

Oooooops 

[TimHauck 3,038]

Even trees are Hamas now.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-said-to-uproot-thousands-of-west-bank-olive-trees-after-palestinian-shooting-attack/

[TimHauck 3,038]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Israel hits Gaza hospital, killing at least 15 people, including journalists

Oooooops 

The funny thing is Jerry and Strike will actually believe it was an accident if the IDF says so

[Maximum Overkill 2,175]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The funny thing is Jerry and Strike will actually believe it was an accident if the IDF says so

Whatever happened, it's certainly not a good look for IDF. 

[TimHauck 3,038]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Whatever happened, it's certainly not a good look for IDF. 

But but all the journalists were Hamas!

[TimHauck 3,038]

Happened live on air

 

IDF statement:

"Earlier today (Monday), IDF troops carried out a strike in the area of Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis. "The Chief of the General Staff instructed to conduct an initial inquiry as soon as possible. "The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals and does not target journalists as such. The IDF acts to mitigate harm to uninvolved individuals as much as possible while maintaining the safety of IDF troops."