Israel Gaza thread

[TimHauck 3,047]

35 minutes ago, Strike said:

No I'm not watching your video.  Is it journalism or speculation?

If you’re not familiar with Breaking Points I’d recommend checking them out.  It might save you from repeatedly falling for fake news from the MSM.

[TimHauck 3,047]

On 9/1/2025 at 12:51 PM, jerryskids said:

First, you've gone full retard on the margarita thing.  I explained why you are wrong, and you are too stupid to understand, instead responding with "but this one goes to eleven!"  Anyone who followed this laughs at you every time you bring it up.  I certainly do.

Second, you seem to think you know a lot about The Free Press.  Does that mean you follow them?  If so, why don't you ever post from them?  You eagerly post from admitted pro-Hamas hack sites like +972 and DropDeadGaslight.  I thought that, being an unbiased moderate, you would post opinions from both sides?  It's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.  Hack.

Third, yes, I've seen pictures.  Have you seen the pictures of the much larger areas which are not destroyed?  How about the majority of people who are not starving? No?  Probably because those don't exist.  That's not newsworthy for you pro-terrorist Lefties.

 

On 9/1/2025 at 1:14 PM, TimHauck said:

Do you have a link that proves there is a larger area of Gaza not destroyed than the area that is?

Bump 

[TimHauck 3,047]

Also @jerryskids since you say I never post anything positive about Israel, I recently did a 7-day trial of Fox Nation to watch a wrestling event.  I was checking out what else was on there and they had a documentary about the Yeshiva University basketball team, which has team members from Israel including at least one that served in the IDF.  I thought it was pretty good.

[TimHauck 3,047]

 

 

[jerryskids 6,941]

45 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Bump 

I'm ready to address this once you accept the L you've earned for using your opinion vs. data on DropDeadGaslit vs. The Free Press.  Like I said before.  HTH

[TimHauck 3,047]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm ready to address this once you accept the L you've earned for using your opinion vs. data on DropDeadGaslit vs. The Free Press.  Like I said before.  HTH

Is your claim that the Free Press isn’t biased for Israel?  And not just “leans toward,” lol.

[jerryskids 6,941]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Is your claim that the Free Press isn’t biased for Israel?  And not just “leans toward,” lol.

I didn't ask you to ask me yet another question in your TimHauckian way.

[Voltaire 5,380]

On 8/10/2025 at 5:19 PM, TimHauck said:

did you see that Israel put up a Tims Square billboard 

 

I don't have anything of importance to say on the matter.

I just want to say that I found humor in your typo.

Apparently Israel has a message that they'd like for all you Tims of the world to consider.

 

[TimHauck 3,047]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't ask you to ask me yet another question in your TimHauckian way.

I don’t even know what you’re arguing.  I’ve said DropSite is biased against Israel.  But the worst you’ve said about the Free Press is they “lean towards” Israel.  Then you posted a link to mediabiasfactcheck.com and demanded I take an L because they only rated the Free Press “center right,” even though I said nothing about left or right.

[TimHauck 3,047]

No bias here!  They even fell for the manufactured Excel spreadsheet claiming Anas Al-Sharif was Hamas, lol

 

 

[jerryskids 6,941]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t even know what you’re arguing.  I’ve said DropSite is biased against Israel.  But the worst you’ve said about the Free Press is they “lean towards” Israel.  Then you posted a link to mediabiasfactcheck.com and demanded I take an L because they only rated the Free Press “center right,” even though I said nothing about left or right.

You said they are a propaganda arm of Israel.  In doing so you said they were worse than DropDead.  

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You said they are a propaganda arm of Israel.  In doing so you said they were worse than DropDead.  

And mediabiasfactcheck.com doesn’t disprove that clsim

[The Real timschochet 7,066]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You said they are a propaganda arm of Israel.  In doing so you said they were worse than DropDead.  

Jerry let’s put aside this argument about how biased news sources are, and return to the main issue. Do you believe the government of Israel is essentially blameless in their actions in Gaza? 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Jerry let’s put aside this argument about how biased news sources are, and return to the main issue. Do you believe the government of Israel is essentially blameless in their actions in Gaza? 

Essentially, yes.  I have asked you and the other Hamas apologists here what Israel should do instead, but you can't answer "I don't know, but not this$#!"  Crickets.   

[The Real timschochet 7,066]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Essentially, yes.  I have asked you and the other Hamas apologists here what Israel should do instead, but you can't answer "I don't know, but not this$#!"  Crickets.   

Actually I have answered you. Several times. But I also believe “I don’t know but but not this” is as a general rule a perfectly acceptable statement. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,633]

I’m rooting for Israel. They are the less despicable side in this. 

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30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually I have answered you. Several times. But I also believe “I don’t know but but not this” is as a general rule a perfectly acceptable statement. 

Perhaps you can refresh my memory.

And no, "I don't know but not this" is childish at best.

[Voltaire 5,380]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Over the years, I've come to see both Glen Greenwald and Bari Weiss are respectable old school journalist with old school ethics (it seems to me). Two of the most reliable and trusted left-of-center news sources on the internet. That Greenwald doesn't like Weiss and accuses her of being a shill for Israel is disappointing. I guess in retrospect, she does always take Israel's side, but then again so do I. I'm not exactly struggling to figure our which side is the better one in this conflict.

Anyway, if Weiss is given the leadership role at CBS, I'll be doing cartwheels of joy. She is/was as straight a shooter as exists in the world of journalism. She has all the scars from going through the ringer, the courage to jeopardize her career and reputation by speaking truth to power at NYTimes to prove it. Talented, tough as nails, and ethical as the day is long. If true, what an epic turn of events for her.  Too bad she's kinda meh-looking though.

[The Real timschochet 7,066]

57 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Perhaps you can refresh my memory.

And no, "I don't know but not this" is childish at best.

1. Israel should allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. It doesn’t matter if the supplies will be consumed by Hamas or controlled by Hamas (both are actually questionable at this point as most of Hamas’ leadership has fled.) Israel should pull all military troops out of Gaza and turn over control to the United Nations.

2. Those are short term solutions. Long term is far more complicated. Essentially Israel needs to return to the idea of a two state solution. As hard as that solution may seem now, or in the past, it remains the only viable answer. There are 2 million Palestinians in Gaza, 4 million in the West Bank. They’re not going anywhere. Neither is Israel. The current actions are making Israel less safe, not more. 

3. “I don’t know but not this” isn’t childish. It’s often the best answer, especially to complicated problems. I do not believe Israel is an evil country. I believe they are a good country currently engaged in evil acts. But, as has been the case with other good countries like the USA and Great Britain who have committed evil acts in our past, these acts are less deliberately evil and more a function of laziness, a need for speed. Israel is, IMO, guilty of genocide, just as we were guilty of genocide of certain American tribes, and Great Britain was guilty of genocide in the Raj dying World War II. That doesn’t make any of these nations the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,633]

Someone want to tell Tim it’s the Palestinians that have rejected the two state “solution” ? 

[Maximum Overkill 2,202]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Your Pro-Hamas rhetoric is getting tired. 

[TimHauck 3,047]

6 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Over the years, I've come to see both Glen Greenwald and Bari Weiss are respectable old school journalist with old school ethics (it seems to me). Two of the most reliable and trusted left-of-center news sources on the internet. That Greenwald doesn't like Weiss and accuses her of being a shill for Israel is disappointing. I guess in retrospect, she does always take Israel's side, but then again so do I. I'm not exactly struggling to figure our which side is the better one in this conflict.

Anyway, if Weiss is given the leadership role at CBS, I'll be doing cartwheels of joy. She is/was as straight a shooter as exists in the world of journalism. She has all the scars from going through the wringer, the courage to jeopardize her career and reputation by speaking truth to power at NYTimes to prove it. Talented, tough as nails, and ethical as the day is long. If true, what an epic turn of events for her.  Too bad she's kinda meh-looking though.

Like Jerry, you fail to realize that someone criticizing Israel does not mean they are pro-Hamas.   That’s why sites like DropSite are not propaganda, they are not pro-Hamas no matter how many times Jerry says it.  On the other hand, the Free Press being bought for over $100 million despite not even getting very much engagement, is evidence that it is propaganda for Israel.   Greenwald and other outlets critical of the Free Press such as Breaking Points, have actually noted that Weiss is a nice person, but are just stating the fact that the Free Press has turned into propaganda for Israel.  And of course, being a shill for Israel is not a cause exclusive to the right.

[TimHauck 3,047]

9 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Over the years, I've come to see both Glen Greenwald and Bari Weiss are respectable old school journalist with old school ethics (it seems to me). Two of the most reliable and trusted left-of-center news sources on the internet. That Greenwald doesn't like Weiss and accuses her of being a shill for Israel is disappointing. I guess in retrospect, she does always take Israel's side, but then again so do I. I'm not exactly struggling to figure our which side is the better one in this conflict.

Anyway, if Weiss is given the leadership role at CBS, I'll be doing cartwheels of joy. She is/was as straight a shooter as exists in the world of journalism. She has all the scars from going through the ringer, the courage to jeopardize her career and reputation by speaking truth to power at NYTimes to prove it. Talented, tough as nails, and ethical as the day is long. If true, what an epic turn of events for her.  Too bad she's kinda meh-looking though.

Also, it’s not a new phenomenon for Greenwald to accuse Weiss of spouting Israeli propaganda.  Here he is in 2017:

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

[TimHauck 3,047]

Article with some examples of propaganda from Weiss/the FP.  I know this won’t convince Jerry since he believes all of their information is accurate

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/bari-weiss-free-press-cbs/

[TimHauck 3,047]

if Netanyahu is retweeting you, there’s a good chance you are propaganda

 

 

[Meglamaniac 664]

4 in a row, do I here 5?

[jerryskids 6,941]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Someone want to tell Tim it’s the Palestinians that have rejected the two state “solution” ? 

Maybe it's in the "I've forgotten more history" part of his expertise.   

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,633]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Maybe it's in the "I've forgotten more history" part of his expertise.   

 

Him and Rusty. They are both very forgetful. 

[jerryskids 6,941]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Israel should allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. It doesn’t matter if the supplies will be consumed by Hamas or controlled by Hamas (both are actually questionable at this point as most of Hamas’ leadership has fled.) Israel should pull all military troops out of Gaza and turn over control to the United Nations.

2. Those are short term solutions. Long term is far more complicated. Essentially Israel needs to return to the idea of a two state solution. As hard as that solution may seem now, or in the past, it remains the only viable answer. There are 2 million Palestinians in Gaza, 4 million in the West Bank. They’re not going anywhere. Neither is Israel. The current actions are making Israel less safe, not more. 

3. “I don’t know but not this” isn’t childish. It’s often the best answer, especially to complicated problems. I do not believe Israel is an evil country. I believe they are a good country currently engaged in evil acts. But, as has been the case with other good countries like the USA and Great Britain who have committed evil acts in our past, these acts are less deliberately evil and more a function of laziness, a need for speed. Israel is, IMO, guilty of genocide, just as we were guilty of genocide of certain American tribes, and Great Britain was guilty of genocide in the Raj dying World War II. That doesn’t make any of these nations the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. 

1.  I suppose you could just let UNRWA drive the aid right to Hamas and bypass the effort to steal it.  This "short-term solution" leaves Hamas in control and able to retool.  This is the scenario in which you believe Hamas surrenders control to the UN, who by the way has NOT offered to take control of Gaza.  They can't, because Hamas is still in charge.

2. Bless your heart on the 2-state solution.  Not that Israel is itching for it now, but for 70 years it's been offered a bunch of times.  Whatever terrorist regime runs the warring tribes of Gaza at the time always turns it down.  From the river to the sea, it's not just for ignorant college kids you know.  Also, Palestinians aren't going anywhere in the region, because no Arab country will take them.  Why is that?

3. Childish oppressed/oppressor Leftist rhetoric.

 

Back to #1, with your deep knowledge of history, help me understand how that gets Hamas to surrender.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

1.  I suppose you could just let UNRWA drive the aid right to Hamas and bypass the effort to steal it.  This "short-term solution" leaves Hamas in control and able to retool.  This is the scenario in which you believe Hamas surrenders control to the UN, who by the way has NOT offered to take control of Gaza.  They can't, because Hamas is still in charge.

2. Bless your heart on the 2-state solution.  Not that Israel is itching for it now, but for 70 years it's been offered a bunch of times.  Whatever terrorist regime runs the warring tribes of Gaza at the time always turns it down.  From the river to the sea, it's not just for ignorant college kids you know.  Also, Palestinians aren't going anywhere in the region, because no Arab country will take them.  Why is that?

3. Childish oppressed/oppressor Leftist rhetoric.

 

Back to #1, with your deep knowledge of history, help me understand how that gets Hamas to surrender.

First about history, and this is a response to @Hardcore troubadour as well. It is not correct to say that Israel has been willing to agree to a two state solution and the Palestinians have not. Both sides have ultimately blocked it because of three issues that they have not agreed on: both sides want control of Jerusalem, the Palestinians want the right of return to Israel for Palestinians who were dispossessed in 1948 and 1967, and Israel insists that its settlers that encroach upon the West Bank be allowed to remain (which would effectively cut any Palestinian state in half.) These disagreements were between the previous Israeli governments and Al-Fatah. Since the Netanyahu government and Hamas took over there have been NO discussions. 
 

Now to answer your second point which is even more complicated: you cannot get Hamas to surrender. Israel cannot ultimately destroy Hamas (much as I would like to see that happen.) This is because Hamas is less a cogent organization and more an ideology held by most of the 2 million Palestinian people in Gaza- that there situation there is hopeless and that therefore the only solution is extreme radicalism and attempted total destruction of Israel even if they all die in the attempt. The ONLY humane way to defeat this ideology is to give these people hope of a better tomorrow. That takes time, and begins with the basics- food and breathing space and an end to the destruction. Now there are inhumane ways to deal with this evil, and that’s what the current Israeli government has chosen and what you seem to support. I don’t for two reasons: first as I wrote I don’t believe it’s going to work anyhow. And second, even if it did I don’t believe it’s worth the price. 

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11 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

4 in a row, do I here 5?

For those who don’t like to read.  Didn’t realize the dad of the guy buying CBS is buddies with Netanyahu

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,202]

Getting close 

Israel is blasting through Gaza City neighborhoods, but people have nowhere to go

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[Horseman 2,632]

18 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Getting close 

Israel is blasting through Gaza City neighborhoods, but people have nowhere to go

Get ready to redraw the map.  

[The Real timschochet 7,066]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

@jerryskids how do you feel about this? Should Trump or Israel grant concessions to Hamas that would allow for the release of hostages? If so,  what? 
Not asking to challenge; you. I’ve always been torn on this and would like your thoughts. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,202]

10 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Get ready to redraw the map.  

 

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29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@jerryskids how do you feel about this? Should Trump or Israel grant concessions to Hamas that would allow for the release of hostages? If so,  what? 
Not asking to challenge; you. I’ve always been torn on this and would like your thoughts. 

I would agree to a concession that lets Hamas terrorists live if they cede leadership and leave the region, never to return.  

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On 9/5/2025 at 2:46 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

Getting close 

Israel is blasting through Gaza City neighborhoods, but people have nowhere to go

Make less people.