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23 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

 

We don’t know what Putin would have done if Biden had lost to Trump. It’s impossible to say, you know because it didn’t happen. How do you know?

What we do know is that Putin does whatever he likes with Donald as prez when it comes to Ukraine so that makes me believe he would have done this regardless.

Interesting take.  While of course it's impossible to know the outcome of something that didn't happen, I do think some outlines can be drawn or dots connected. 

Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine during Trumps first term? Why did he wait until Biden was in office? ... 

What examples do you have of Putin doing whatever he likes with Donald as prez? Isn't invading Ukraine something he would have liked to do while Donald was prez? So why didn't he?

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Anyone could end the war if you end funding Ukraine and then give Putin everything. Not much to that strategy. 

As I said initially I hope this meeting goes better for Trump than in Helsinki. That was bad.

You mean letting countries fight their own wars? Yeah, that’s generally how it works. You can’t protect yourself you better have a plan to get out of there before they march down your block and knock on your door.
 

Sniffy the clown has had many opportunities to save his people, he wants to fight a losing war… and let’s not forget the whole reason Ukraine wasn’t allowed in NATO in the first place. Corruption. 

 

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Such bold leadership.

as opposed to the bold leadership of both refusing to help facilitate a negotiation and refusing to take any action that would be taken as a declaration of war. 

It's so bold to sit back and send $$$ and virtue signal. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Interesting take.  While of course it's impossible to know the outcome of something that didn't happen, I do think some outlines can be drawn or dots connected. 

Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine during Trumps first term? Why did he wait until Biden was in office? ... 

What examples do you have of Putin doing whatever he likes with Donald as prez? Isn't invading Ukraine something he would have liked to do while Donald was prez? So why didn't he?

There is no way to know that would have happened.

Putin has bombed Ukraine repeatedly, especially every time they talk. Trump made ending this war a priority in his campaign. Said it would be easy. Putin wants no part of it unless it’s entirely on his terms.

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

as opposed to the bold leadership of both refusing to help facilitate a negotiation and refusing to take any action that would be taken as a declaration of war. 

It's so bold to sit back and send $$$ and virtue signal. 

Say what you will about Sleepy Joe but mobilizing against Russia after the invasion was one of his stronger points. He crossed numerous redlines from Vlad that were supposed to lead to WW3. 

At first it was any aid, any sanctions were redlines. A couple years later Ukraine was flying our jets and launching drones into Russia and killing hundreds of thousands of their army.

One would think the good guys (us, Europe, and Ukraine) would have some leverage. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

There is no way to know that would have happened.

Putin has bombed Ukraine repeatedly, especially every time they talk. Trump made ending this war a priority in his campaign. Said it would be easy. Putin wants no part of it unless it’s entirely on his terms.

No way to know what would have happened? I didn't state anything specific that would have happened 

We do in fact know that Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trumps first administration.  So I was posing a question to you. Why didn't he? why did he wait until Biden took office? I am curious what your thoughts are since you stated that we DO KNOW Putin does whatever he likes when Donald is prez....

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

No way to know what would have happened? I didn't state anything specific that would have happened 

We do in fact know that Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trumps first administration.  So I was posing a question to you. Why didn't he? why did he wait until Biden took office? I am curious what your thoughts are since you stated that we DO KNOW Putin does whatever he likes when Donald is prez....

Who knows why he didn’t. I don’t, you don’t.

We do know that he does whatever he likes right now.

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9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

You mean letting countries fight their own wars? Yeah, that’s generally how it works. You can’t protect yourself you better have a plan to get out of there before they march down your block and knock on your door.
 

Sniffy the clown has had many opportunities to save his people, he wants to fight a losing war… and let’s not forget the whole reason Ukraine wasn’t allowed in NATO in the first place. Corruption. 

 

We choose our allies and our enemies. Europe and Ukraine versus Russia. I’ll go with the former as allies and the later as our enemy.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Who knows why he didn’t. I don’t, you don’t.

We do know that he does whatever he likes right now.

now its "right now"  before it was "when donald is prez"...   gotcha. 

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1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

now its "right now"  before it was "when donald is prez"...   gotcha. 

Yes. Donald is prez right now.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

One would think the good guys (us, Europe, and Ukraine) would have some leverage. 

 

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

We choose our allies and our enemies. Europe and Ukraine versus Russia. I’ll go with the former.

 

Ukraine as "the good guys".  ehhh

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

Ukraine as "the good guys".  ehhh

Its bizarre. They are trying to treat one of the most corrupt nations on the planet like they are England FFS. 

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5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Its bizarre. They are trying to treat one of the most corrupt nations on the planet like they are England FFS. 

With literal Nazi’s 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Viktor Bout is the war criminal "merchant of death" that we traded back to Russia for Brittany Griner.

 

Why are you now saying surrender? I never said anything about a surrender. Negotiation and possible concessions is not the same thing. What is your definition of them surviving? You think the current state of affairs is a positive thing for Ukrainians?  You seem to want us to just continue to do what we have been doing, aka the Biden playbook, and it's going to magically end in a resolution where Ukraine wins 100%?  that seems delusional at best. 

I'm just saying they will never surrender, based on everything I've learned about Ukranians, they will die before surrendering.  I don't know if they will accept concessions, that is up to them.

No I don't think being at war is a positive for Ukraine which is why I think we should push Russia to withdraw, through more sanctions, pressure, etc.

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34 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Interesting take.  While of course it's impossible to know the outcome of something that didn't happen, I do think some outlines can be drawn or dots connected. 

Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine during Trumps first term? Why did he wait until Biden was in office? ... 

What examples do you have of Putin doing whatever he likes with Donald as prez? Isn't invading Ukraine something he would have liked to do while Donald was prez? So why didn't he?

We've already been over this.  When Trump took office he immediately started weakening NATO.  This is why Putin helped rig the election for Trump, why he wanted Trump in office, he knew he could manipulate him.  He got Trump to say on stage that US Intelligence was wrong, that Russia never interfered, when we all know they did.  Trump admitted yesterday that the hack us, didn't care.

So Putin's goal was to get Ukraine without having to get sucked into a long drawn out war using Trump.  After Trump left he invaded.  Please don't tell us that Putin never invaded Ukraine during Trumps term because he was scared of Trump.  The same Putin that showed naked photos of Melania the night Trump won?  The same Putin that murders Ukrainian kids after getting off the phone with Trump begging him to stop?  He's not scared of him one bit.  He knows he has the old fool in his pocket.

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33 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Say what you will about Sleepy Joe but mobilizing against Russia after the invasion was one of his stronger points. He crossed numerous redlines from Vlad that were supposed to lead to WW3. 

At first it was any aid, any sanctions were redlines. A couple years later Ukraine was flying our jets and launching drones into Russia and killing hundreds of thousands of their army.

One would think the good guys (us, Europe, and Ukraine) would have some leverage. 

Several times they threatened us with nuclear war.  Where's Justincharge?

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9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We've already been over this.  When Trump took office he immediately started weakening NATO.  This is why Putin helped rig the election for Trump, why he wanted Trump in office, he knew he could manipulate him.  He got Trump to say on stage that US Intelligence was wrong, that Russia never interfered, when we all know they did.  Trump admitted yesterday that the hack us, didn't care.

So Putin's goal was to get Ukraine without having to get sucked into a long drawn out war using Trump.  After Trump left he invaded.  Please don't tell us that Putin never invaded Ukraine during Trumps term because he was scared of Trump.  The same Putin that showed naked photos of Melania the night Trump won?  The same Putin that murders Ukrainian kids after getting off the phone with Trump begging him to stop?  He's not scared of him one bit.  He knows he has the old fool in his 

This is a level of delusion I don’t even know where to start with. 
 

From “weakening” NATO by making them pay for their own defense or the fact you conveniently forget liberals used the Russians to pump out a false narrative about Trump to try to win an election? There’s almost no facet of your post thats factually correct.

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4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

This is a level of delusion I don’t even know where to start with. 
 

From “weakening” NATO by making them pay for their own defense or the fact you conveniently forget liberals used the Russians to pump out a false narrative about Trump to try to win an election? There’s almost no facet of your post thats factually correct.

You're repeating Trump again, not presenting facts.  You did this yesterday with the tariffs too.

Trump talked about withdrawing from NATO in 2017.  Russia interfered in the 2016 election to try and elect Trump.  Both facts.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're repeating Trump again, not presenting facts.  You did this yesterday with the tariffs too.

Trump talked about withdrawing from NATO in 2017.  Russia interfered in the 2016 election to try and elect Trump.  Both facts.

Oh, for God sakes, we were never leaving NATO. You guys clutch your pearls at everything he says, but what ended up happening? He got them to raise their monetary input into their own defense. In other words, it worked. 
 

They interfere, we interfere, other countries interfere Both times Putin attack. It was under democratic presidents. That’s a fact you’re just not going to be able to piddle away.

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it's not really a matter of being scared of Trump the person or not being scared of Biden the person... more so the perceived response from a particular party being in office. I simply don't think Russia ever feared true US retaliation under the Biden admin. Maybe he doesn't fear it under Trump admin either but I think he likely realizes there is a greater chance of negative consequences. 

some drones killed 5 people a day after a call back in June, 1 being a child. Terrible thing. Where does that attack/ body count stack up against 3 years of idle war funding? Do we really think if Biden had been willing to talk to Putin, the same exact type of thing doesn't happen? cmon now. 

 

Look, if libs want us to just keep funding Ukraine for the next decade? longer? so they can keep their Ukraine flags out, have protests and post on social media about standing with Ukraine, go for it. :dunno:

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2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Oh, for God sakes, we were never leaving NATO. You guys clutch your pearls at everything he says, but what ended up happening? He got them to raise their monetary input into their own defense. In other words, it worked. 
 

They interfere, we interfere, other countries interfere Both times Putin attack. It was under democratic presidents. That’s a fact you’re just not going to be able to piddle away.

Actually if you look at the data, the NATO countries started increasing their defense spending twice.  Once after Putin invaded Crimea in 2014, and after the Ukraine Invasion in 2022.  Trump didn't have anything to do with it.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Actually if you look at the data, the NATO countries started increasing their defense spending twice.  Once after Putin invaded Crimea in 2014, and after the Ukraine Invasion in 2022.  Trump didn't have anything to do with it.

Lol sure…sure babe.

From NATO

In 2025, all Allies are expected to meet or exceed the pre-summit target of investing at least 2% of GDP in defence, compared to only three Allies in 2014.  Over the past decade, European Allies and Canada have steadily increased their collective investment in defence – from 1.43% of their combined GDP in 2014, to 2.02% in 2024, when they are investing a combined total of more than USD 485 billion (adjusted to 2021 prices) in defence.

 

I know you want some minimal credit for going from almost nothing to one percent but to 5% is a massive lead

 

 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

it's not really a matter of being scared of Trump the person or not being scared of Biden the person... more so the perceived response from a particular party being in office. I simply don't think Russia ever feared true US retaliation under the Biden admin. Maybe he doesn't fear it under Trump admin either but I think he likely realizes there is a greater chance of negative consequences. 

some drones killed 5 people a day after a call back in June, 1 being a child. Terrible thing. Where does that attack/ body count stack up against 3 years of idle war funding? Do we really think if Biden had been willing to talk to Putin, the same exact type of thing doesn't happen? cmon now. 

 

Look, if libs want us to just keep funding Ukraine for the next decade? longer? so they can keep their Ukraine flags out, have protests and post on social media about standing with Ukraine, go for it. :dunno:

The point is, he doesn't respect Trump, or fear him.  I'd be curious as to why you think Putin waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine.

Also it's not just about flags or social media.  A sovereign country was invaded and brutally attacked.  You might not care about it but many people do.  It's not right to think they only care about waving a flag.

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12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The point is, he doesn't respect Trump, or fear him.  I'd be curious as to why you think Putin waited until 2022 to invade Ukraine.

Also it's not just about flags or social media.  A sovereign country was invaded and brutally attacked.  You might not care about it but many people do.  It's not right to think they only care about waving a flag.

Are you really that delusional that you think everything was hunky-dory and then all of a sudden Trump got in and in one month Russia cobble together an invasion?. I almost actually hope you think that’s what happened.

yes, a country so corrupt they couldn’t even get into NATO got invaded. We’ve sent them billions of dollars, reported some of it has been lost which what a shock, and it’s not our war. By all means if you wanna go fight in meaningless wars, go ahead and enlist or better yet you can write an extra check to the government at any point in market for Ukraine.

Most of us that live in rationalville are done with this . Fight your own war or get out. 

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7 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

 

 

I posted this a million times here while all the Biden whining was ongoing.

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8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Are you really that delusional that you think everything was hunky-dory and then all of a sudden Trump got in and in one month Russia cobble together an invasion?. I almost actually hope you think that’s what happened.

yes, a country so corrupt they couldn’t even get into NATO got invaded. We’ve sent them billions of dollars, reported some of it has been lost which what a shock, and it’s not our war. By all means if you wanna go fight in meaningless wars, go ahead and enlist or better yet you can write an extra check to the government at any point in market for Ukraine.

Most of us that live in rationalville are done with this . Fight your own war or get out. 

You're not even making sense any more.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're not even making sense any more.

It’s perfect sense. You’re claiming he invaded under Trump. Trump had been there one month. Are you asserting that he got this all together in a month because he doesn’t respect Trump? I’ll give you three months. Do you even know what Donbas is?

Everything in paragraph two about Ukraine is factual. One of the most corrupt countries in the world. But you wanna protect them like their the second coming of England. It’s really really weird. I mean like most liberals you’re passionate about it as long as it’s someone else’s money and someone else’s body getting killed.
 

If five men invade your house with guns and you don’t have one your best option is not to fight. You’re only hope is to negotiate your way out of it. 
It’s not Hope your neighbor comes over with a couple spatulas for you and then talk a bunch of other Neighbors into coming over and bringing their pillows over to help you.

 

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3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

It’s perfect sense. You’re claiming he invaded under Trump. Trump had been there one month. Are you asserting that he got this all together in a month because he doesn’t respect Trump? I’ll give you three months. Do you even know what Donbas is?

Everything in paragraph two about Ukraine is factual. One of the most corrupt countries in the world. But you wanna protect them like their the second coming of England. It’s really really weird. I mean like most liberals you’re passionate about it as long as it’s someone else’s money and someone else’s body getting killed.
 

If five men invade your house with guns and you don’t have one your best option is not to fight. You’re only hope is to negotiate your way out of it. 
It’s not Hope your neighbor comes over with a couple spatulas for you and then talk a bunch of other Neighbors into coming over and bringing their pillows over to help you.

 

bruh, Putin invaded Ukraine twice, 2014 and 2022.  Trump was NOT president either of those times.  I never claimed he invaded under Trump.  Get a hold of yourself.

As far as corruption goes, no they are not even in the top 10.  Russia is more corrupt.  Even so, that's not an excuse for the citizens to be raped and murdered.  What's wrong with you?

Suggesting that Ukraine's best option is to surrender is exactly what Putin says.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

bruh, Putin invaded Ukraine twice, 2014 and 2022.  Trump was NOT president either of those times.  I never claimed he invaded under Trump.  Get a hold of yourself.

As far as corruption goes, no they are not even in the top 10.  Russia is more corrupt.  Even so, that's not an excuse for the citizens to be raped and murdered.  What's wrong with you?

Suggesting that Ukraine's best option is to surrender is exactly what Putin says.

I look at as in your drunk dumbass friend wants to fight the bouncer. If you wanna go get your ass kicked by all means, but don’t expect me to jump in and help when we’re trying to save you. 
 

Sniffy the clown wants to keep fighting? Have at it. He’ll take the whole country from you and I won’t lose a minute Sleep over it.

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43 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I know you want some minimal credit for going from almost nothing to one percent but to 5% is a massive lead

 

Tiny isn't very good with numbers. Even simple percentages.  

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Just now, Horseman said:

Tiny isn't very good with numbers. Even simple percentages.  

Their logic is just so flawed. He claims Trump was pulling out of NATO. Yeah, because we were the only ones funding it. But then also tries to claim well. They were increasing their amount. There were countries that weren’t paying anything.
 

Gets it up to 5% and do you think they give him any credit for it? Nope. Like I said, I just don’t think they deal in the same world we do.

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2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Their logic is just so flawed. He claims Trump was pulling out of NATO. Yeah, because we were the only ones funding it. But then also tries to claim well. They were increasing their amount. There were countries that weren’t paying anything.
 

Gets it up to 5% and do you think they give him any credit for it? Nope. Like I said, I just don’t think they deal in the same world we do.

TDS is real and he has a bad case.  

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

Ukraine as "the good guys".  ehhh

Compared to Russia, yes. We drew a line in the sand here with them, it took serous balls - I know most won’t give Biden any credit here. It will likely all be tossed out the window.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Compared to Russia, yes. We drew a line in the sand here with them, it took serous balls - I know most won’t give Biden any credit here. It will likely all be tossed out the window.

Don't!

Huge balls.  :lol:

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8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I look at as in your drunk dumbass friend wants to fight the bouncer. If you wanna go get your ass kicked by all means, but don’t expect me to jump in and help when we’re trying to save you. 
 

Sniffy the clown wants to keep fighting? Have at it. He’ll take the whole country from you and I won’t lose a minute Sleep over it.

Terrible analogy considering Ukraine didn't want to fight Russia, they were invaded.

A more apt analogy would be your friend gets attacked by a thug and asks for your help, so you offer to sell him your baseball bat so he can defend himself, but you don't even want to do that anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Terrible analogy considering Ukraine didn't want to fight Russia, they were invaded.

A more apt analogy would be your friend gets attacked by a thug and asks for your help, so you offer to sell him your baseball bat so he can defend himself, but you don't even want to do that anymore.

OK, I’ll adjust it. Bouncer comes kicks your ass and we’re trying to pull you away from him and you keep trying to go back but you want us to come with and then pay your hospital bill

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9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Their logic is just so flawed. He claims Trump was pulling out of NATO. Yeah, because we were the only ones funding it. But then also tries to claim well. They were increasing their amount. There were countries that weren’t paying anything.
 

Gets it up to 5% and do you think they give him any credit for it? Nope. Like I said, I just don’t think they deal in the same world we do.

Trump talked about pulling out of NATO.  He doesn't believe in Europe or Allies, has nothing to do with funding, because he just sent our defense budget over a trillion.  NATO was increasing their spending starting in 2014 and I provided the data that proves it.

NATO is not at 5% and likely will never be.  There is no credit to be given here.

Agreed, we do not live in the same world.

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1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

OK, I’ll adjust it. Bouncer comes kicks your ass and we’re trying to pull you away from him and you keep trying to go back but you want us to come with and then pay your hospital bill

Wrong again, Ukraine never asked us for boots on the ground.  They want to buy our weapons.  You want to cut them off so they can get slaughtered.

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9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Don't!

Huge balls.  :lol:

I would say arming Ukriane, allowing them to blow up hundreds of thousands of their soldiers with our blessing, blowing up their pipeline allegedly was pretty ballsy.

Theres a whole thread on here that claimed it was doomsday and WW3.

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