Trump goes to Russia to meet Putin

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

They don’t even want Trump to try because they’re terrified of him being successful. They would rather this war continue than Trump getting any kind of credit for it ending. 
And if it does end, watch the excuses they come up with to make sure Trump isn’t given any. 

Incorrect.  I would love to see trump work with our allies, impose sanctions, and lead this coalition to victory.

Instead he has partnered with Putin.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Ok so we can agree that Trump is not an alpha.

His approach of bending the knee to Putin is it a good strategy.

I agree with the allies approach.  Arm the resistance.  Show Putin strength not weakness.  Build a global coalition to pressure Putin to a ceasefire through military and financial means.

I do not agree with the Putin/trump approach of surrender and capitulation.

You still haven't told me how Trump can end this war. What's your plan?? 

You keep dodging the question. 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You still haven't told me how Trump can end this war. What's your plan?? 

You keep dodging the question. 

I told you.  Support the coalition, provide weapons, impose sanctions.  Impose his will on Russia.  He chose to kiss Putins ring instead 

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Arm the resistance.  Show Putin strength not weakness.  Build a global coalition to pressure Putin to a ceasefire through military and financial means.

So what are you saying, put boots on the ground? We've been throwing money at it, how's that working out?

Let me make this easier for you to understand. Ukraine is running out of bodies. They can't outlast Russia, it's impossible. The best thing Ukraine can do is make a deal now before they lose even more ground. 

So you want to pressure Russia by giving Ukraine more money. That's not how it works Son. 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

So following Trump kissing Putin's ring, he invited zzelinsky to the White House to give him Putin's orders which were pretty much surrender. Instead, Zelinsky decided to bring the Allies to the White House as well, including Starmer and Macron. Trump got cucked again.  He doesn't have the boss to stand up to the allies

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

So what are you saying, put boots on the ground? We've been throwing money at it, how's that working out?

Let me make this easier for you to understand. Ukraine is running out of bodies. They can't outlast Russia, it's impossible. The best thing Ukraine can do is make a deal now before they lose even more ground. 

So you want to pressure Russia by giving Ukraine more money. That's not how it works Son. 

For 3 years now you've been saying how Ukraine is running out of bodies and they can't Outlast Russia. You've been proven wrong. 

Weapons, Russian sanctions, strong coalition, stop aggression.  If Trump led this he would get the nobel prize.  Instead he chose to partner with Putin, the aggressor.  Losing strategy.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Weapons, Russian sanctions, strong coalition, stop aggression.  If Trump led this he would get the nobel prize.  Instead he chose to partner with Putin, the aggressor.  Losing strategy.

Wow, you know nothing about War do you? I'm going to dummy it down for you. 

Russia's fighting age military/population is how much larger than Ukraine's? Ukrainian is losing thousands of soldiers a month due to just Soldiers defecting. They've been on the battlefield too long, they have no replacements. Russia can rotate troops for as long as they want, a 20 year war, no problem. 

You keep saying to form a coalition. To do what say Stop? You think this is Putin's first rodeo? He knows that Countries aren't going to send their citizens to fight the Russians to save Ukraine, which is probably worse than Russia is. 

We don't need to be that vested. It is what it is. We'll help them as much as we can LIKE WE ARE but we aren't sending troops. 

Ukraine is in real trouble. They need to strike a deal before there's nothing left to save. 

You're not giving me a solution. You're basically saying for us to keep doing what we're doing. 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

16 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Wow, you know nothing about War do you? I'm going to dummy it down for you. 

Russia's fighting age military/population is how much larger than Ukraine's? Ukrainian is losing thousands of soldiers a month due to just Soldiers defecting. They've been on the battlefield too long, they have no replacements. Russia can rotate troops for as long as they want, a 20 year war, no problem. 

You keep saying to form a coalition. To do what say Stop? You think this is Putin's first rodeo? He knows that Countries aren't going to send their citizens to fight the Russians to save Ukraine, which is probably worse than Russia is. 

We don't need to be that vested. It is what it is. We'll help them as much as we can LIKE WE ARE but we aren't sending troops. 

Ukraine is in real trouble. They need to strike a deal before there's nothing left to save. 

You're not giving me a solution. You're basically saying for us to keep doing what we're doing. 

I'm saying step up what we're doing.  Sanctions, more weapons.

You're saying surrender.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm saying step up what we're doing.  Sanctions, more weapons.

You're saying surrender.

But you know none of that will win this war right? You can't win a war in a defensive posture. 

Ukraine needs to hit Moscow if they want any chance. Are you ready for that? 

[Voltaire 5,350]

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you willing to give a security guarantee to Ukraine? I know I sound like an isolationist here but I kind of don’t. Giving them aid is one thing. A security guarantee, the equivalent of NATO, that’s something else. Neither Biden nor Obama was willing to do that for good reason. 

A "security agreement"  only sounds nice but is meaningless once the Russian and US presidents who sign off on it leaves office. This is something Ukraine knows firsthand since they already had one, back from when they forfeited their Soviet era nuclear stockpile to Russia. You see what that got them. At the end of the day, it didn't stop Putin from getting greedy nor did it convince the US to take direct action on Ukraine's behalf.

This turned out to be a huge mistake on Ukraine's part.

[Horseman 2,559]

If Tiny Z doesn't take the deal cut off all aide (like JD said we're going to do anyway) and let them all keep killing each other. If the want weapons they have to buy them from us. Win-Win.  Maybe that was the plan all long. 4D chess.  

[Horseman 2,559]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But you know none of that will win this war right? You can't win a war in a defensive posture. 

Ukraine needs to hit Moscow if they want any chance. Are you ready for that? 

It pisses me off when weaklings pretend to know more about war than you guys. Disgusting.  

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But you know none of that will win this war right? You can't win a war in a defensive posture. 

Ukraine needs to hit Moscow if they want any chance. Are you ready for that? 

Tell that to Afghanistan.  Tell that to Finland.  This isn't the first time USSR invaded another country and had to retreat.

You're clearly on Putin's side.  Most of what you say is lies and propaganda.

[TimHauck 3,006]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

If Tiny Z doesn't take the deal cut off all aide (like JD said we're going to do anyway) and let them all keep killing each other. If the want weapons they have to buy them from us. Win-Win.  Maybe that was the plan all long. 4D chess.  

What’s the deal?

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

On 8/24/2023 at 12:50 PM, League Champion said:

Let's just say nothing changes, Ukraine vs Russia. Russia has one of the largest militaries in the World. They can keep this thing going for as long as they want, even if that means a slow dragged out 20+ year war. Ukraine doesn't have that luxury, they are thinning out and quickly. It was a scarce military to begin with. 

@Maximum Overkill This is you from 2 years ago.  Thinning out quickly huh?  Russia still has gotten only to 20% occupation.  You don't know what you're talking about.  You repeat Russian propaganda.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Tell that to Afghanistan.  Tell that to Finland.  This isn't the first time USSR invaded another country and had to retreat.

You're clearly on Putin's side.  Most of what you say is lies and propaganda.

Major difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine. Afghanistan was too big to conquer, for anyone and not worth it. They have no resources. Putin knows Ukraine better than anyone. 

Here's the difference. Ukraine already lost. It's now a matter of how much more land they want to lose. It's not like Russia is going to say "war over, here's your land back". 

You live in a Liberal fantasy land with rainbows and unicorns. That's not how this works. 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

Trump getting destroyed on the Sunday news circuit for bending the knee to Putin and changing his stance on Ukraine.

Never seen a weaker president.

[thegeneral 3,301]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

If we want to act like the big swinging dong, we roll in and destroy Russia 

big swinging dong does not = sending money to a slightly less corrupt country so they can keep their heads above water while they continue to lose more lives, just so they can kill a few Russians in the process 

Well that would be nuts.

We do however tell Vlad, look comrade you got one over here. You can keep Donbas but the rest of Ukraine is now another piece of the NATO block. We know he won’t move on that:

Otherwise this was all pointless and that shithead gets everything he wants.

[thegeneral 3,301]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You still haven't told me how Trump can end this war.

“I will end this war in one day, it will be so easy.” -DJT

[HellToupee 1,870]

37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump getting destroyed on the Sunday news circuit for bending the knee to Putin and changing his stance on Ukraine.

Never seen a weaker president.

Oh no not the democrat controlled media. My heavens I didn’t expect that

[HellToupee 1,870]

15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

“I will end this war in one day, it will be so easy.” -DJT

“Bela”-DJT

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

“I will end this war in one day, it will be so easy.” -DJT

Like curing cancer? 

 

 

[thegeneral 3,301]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Like curing cancer? 

 

 

Are you saying Dementia Donald is just like Biden

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Are you saying Dementia Donald is just like Biden

Not at.all. I'm saying that people are still dying of Cancer. 

You can't see Ukraine from my house. Get the difference? 

[Sandy Loam 218]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump before meeting: Putin needs to stop killing people.  He agrees to a ceasefire or there will be serious consequences 

Putin during meeting: Donald you are my b1tch, no ceasefire and I want all of Donetsk even the parts I haven't taken.

Trump after meeting: No ceasefire and Ukraine must give Russia all of Donetsk.

Maga: Alpha, boss.

Yep, TACOing again. Big, bad Trump said there would be severe consequences for Russia without a ceasefire.

No ceasefire, and now he's trying to give away parts of Ukraine like Halloween candy.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/16/world/europe/trump-putin-ukraine-ceasefire-peace-deal.html

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 minute ago, Sandy Loam said:

and now he's trying to give away parts of Ukraine like Halloween candy.

And why is that your problem? Does Zelensky pay your mortgage? 

[thegeneral 3,301]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Not at.all. I'm saying that people are still dying of Cancer. 

You can't see Ukraine from my house. Get the difference? 

Nope. You asked some rando poster what his plan was for ending the war. Your prez said it would be easy, one day! Seems like he would have the plan.

His plan is give Russia everything it wants. Why is this taking so long?

[Sandy Loam 218]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And why is that your problem? Does Zelensky pay your mortgage? 

MAGAs made Trump out to be this negotiating tough guy, and he came away from the Putin meeting with his ass bleeding, no ceasefire and nothing in the way of a deal with Russia other than conceding all of the occupied Ukrainian soil and Ukraine giving up unoccupied territory.

This is him being a chicken.

FART OF THE DEAL!

[Sandy Loam 218]

10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Not at.all. I'm saying that people are still dying of Cancer. 

You can't see Ukraine from my house. Get the difference? 

OK, so how do you feel about the deep cuts to cancer research?

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

Just now, Sandy Loam said:

MAGAs

You're not answering the question Pedocrat. Why do you care so much about Ukraine? It's not your problem. 

[thegeneral 3,301]

“”The meeting was a 10 because we got along great”

This was Trump’s takeaway. Vlad likes me!!!!

[cyclone24 1,926]

It’s genuinely hilarious to watch the left complain an issue they allowed to happen complain now that its not getting cleaned up fast enough somehow.

Democrats would still be sending and spending our money on this cokehead in a losing war

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

Just now, thegeneral said:

“”The meeting was a 10 because we got along great”

This was Trump’s takeaway. Vlad likes me!!!!

You hear what Rachel Maddow tells you. 

Trump said "it went well but that there's a lot of work to do". He also said that nothing is eminent

At least post the truth 

[thegeneral 3,301]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

You hear what Rachel Maddow tells you. 

 

[thegeneral 3,301]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

At least post the truth 

Zelenskyy drives a Bugatti!!1

[Grace Under Pressure 125]

The only reason for the meeting was to roll out the red carpet for Putin. Not just figuratively either. Soldiers literally rolling out a red carpet. It was pathetic.

This is what Americans support? Rewarding Putin? I get why Donny does it, he’s been allies with Putin and Russian oligarchs for decades. But everyday Americans? I don’t think so. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 minute ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

The only reason for the meeting was to roll out the red carpet for Putin. Not just figuratively either. Soldiers literally rolling out a red carpet. It was pathetic.

This is what Americans support? Rewarding Putin? I get why Donny does it, he’s been allies with Putin and Russian oligarchs for decades. But everyday Americans? I don’t think so. 

Is Zelensky your hero?  

[Sandy Loam 218]

29 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You're not answering the question Pedocrat. Why do you care so much about Ukraine? It's not your problem. 

It is our problem because a Russian takeover of Ukraine would create all kinds of worldwide instability.

Inflation exploded when Russia invaded Ukraine, and MAGAs whined and blamed Biden without doing a deeper dive into supply and demand. They's have something a lot bigger to whine about if Russia conquered Ukraine. 

The kind of nationalism and isolationism that MAGAs want has proven to be a bad thing in the past, time and time again. It didn't work prior to our entry into World War I, and it didn't work prior to our entry into World War II.

MAGAs believe the war wouldn't have happened under Trump, and maybe it wouldn't have but not for the reasons they think. Trump caving into Putin underscores why it wouldn't have happened, because Trump is a puzzy when it comes to Putin and would have been working in Russia's best interests, like he's doing now.

Putin is a lying, ruthless dictator who has caused millions of deaths in Ukraine. Trump wants Russia to keep what it has occupied and for Ukraine to give up unoccupied territory. Meanwhile, Russia concedes nothing.

This is weak, shiit leadership. Trump not following through on his big, bad consequences threat without a ceasefire just shows you what a Putin bootlicker he is, and now our longtime allies hate us.

[thegeneral 3,301]

The goal is to end the war and make sure this doesn’t happen again. This is the message from our State Department.

How do you do that.

Ukraine will have to give up some land. It’s a war they lost territory.

Ukraine has to have reassurances this dickhead terrorist won’t do this again. 

Only way that happens is if Ukraine is tied to the West. Thats either NATO membership or some other form of protection that is tied to the West.

 

[Sandy Loam 218]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The goal is to end the war and make sure this doesn’t happen again. This is the message from our State Department.

How do you do that.

Ukraine will have to give up some land. It’s a war they lost territory.

Ukraine has to have reassurances this dickhead terrorist won’t do this again. 

Only way that happens is if Ukraine is tied to the West. Thats either NATO membership or some other form of protection that is tied to the West.

 

A NATO presence in Ukraine without that country necessarily joining NATO would be the only guarantee here, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreements with Russia on paper are useless. When Ukraine broke from the Soviet Union, it agreed to give up nukes in exchange for Russia not attacking it, and in that agreement we agreed to help Ukraine in the event that Russia broke the agreement, which it did in 2014 with the takeover of Crimea and again in 2022 with this invasion.

I would like to see Russia agree to some reparations here as well.