U.S. Military and boat strikes thread - On Venezuela? On Mexico?

[TimHauck 3,347]

3 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

It's about everything that's been mentioned. Drugs probably aren't the imminent threat but they are a threat....and Maduro is part of that. There is a lot to unpack with what is going on in that region & I'm the only pointing it all out. You could get off your high horse and admit the same.....but you won't....you will continue to ignore anything but your point.....AGAIN.

Maybe I missed it but did you bring up any of these concerns earlier in the thread when MAGA was trying to claim it was primarily about drugs?   I mostly just think it’s funny how quickly MAGA is willing to eat up their new talking points.   But, at least you realize that it’s not primarily about drugs.  And also realize that “war” with Venezuela is a real possibility.  Kinda funny that @Meglamaniac still seems to think it isn’t.  Of course he may think it’s only war if we declare war, in which case he thinks we haven’t been in a war since WWII.  But we’ll probably never know as he’s apparently allergic to opinions.

[Nomad99 828]

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe I missed it but did you bring up any of these concerns earlier in the thread when MAGA was trying to claim it was primarily about drugs?   I mostly just think it’s funny how quickly MAGA is willing to eat up their new talking points.   But, at least you realize that it’s not primarily about drugs.  And also realize that “war” with Venezuela is a real possibility.  Kinda funny that @Meglamaniac still seems to think it isn’t.  Of course he may think it’s only war if we declare war, in which case he thinks we haven’t been in a war since WWII.  But we’ll probably never know as he’s apparently allergic to opinions.

It doesn't matter WHEN I brought it up WHAT MATTERS is that YOU keep avoiding the valid points I've made.......AGAIN.  But he said! But he said! But he said! I have broken records that play better than you. You always push a different view but never accept one.....AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN.

[TimHauck 3,347]

20 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

It doesn't matter WHEN I brought it up WHAT MATTERS is that YOU keep avoiding the valid points I've made.......AGAIN.  But he said! But he said! But he said! I have broken records that play better than you. You always push a different view but never accept one.....AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN.

Honestly, no, I don’t think it’s a valid point that Russia or China “establishing a military presence” in Venezuela is somehow more dangerous than from various other possible places, considering a flight from there is at minimum 3 hours to the closest part of the US.  And of course our Department of War has made it pretty clear that we’re willing to blow up anything coming from that direction before it even gets very close to America

But sure, if someone is going to get their oil, it might as well be us.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

The way this works is the lesson ti Cuba & Nicaragua isn’t to stand down, it’s to arm up.

[Nomad99 828]

27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

various other possible places

 

And there it is again.......let's introduce another scenario so you don't have to deal with the food on your plate......a wise man once said " if my mother had wheels, she would be a bike". You are the Iron Dome of intercepting facts from reaching ground zero & and an all around tool bag.

[squistion 2,592]

https://x.com/MalcolmNance/status/1993116985325240551

The United States is 2,100 miles from Venezuela. Those boats have a range of about 100 miles.

So explain that bulls**t to me. You can’t, you just like the idea of killing people even if it’s illegal. Those are the unlawful orders we are talking about.

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

Probably this is transforming Kelly into the leader of the Dems after one of the few chips the GOP had left was lack of a leader. Dems have their tip of the spear.

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

18 minutes ago, squistion said:

Those boats have a range of about 100 miles.

I don’t know if anyone has so much as seen a picture of any of these boats. They’re supposed to be high speed, speedboats but no one has an analysis of what we’ve been hitting. 

[Fnord 2,597]

10 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Probably this is transforming Kelly into the leader of the Dems after one of the few chips the GOP had left was lack of a leader. Dems have their tip of the spear.

They could do a lot worse. He's a little older than ideal, but he's sure got the bona fides. And, yaknow, gives a damn about the nation he serves.

[Maximum Overkill 2,526]

34 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/MalcolmNance/status/1993116985325240551

The United States is 2,100 miles from Venezuela. Those boats have a range of about 100 miles.

So explain that bulls**t to me. You can’t, you just like the idea of killing people even if it’s illegal. Those are the unlawful orders we are talking about.

They transport the drugs boat to boat to avoid detection, you idiot! 

[Nomad99 828]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/MalcolmNance/status/1993116985325240551

The United States is 2,100 miles from Venezuela. Those boats have a range of about 100 miles.

So explain that bulls**t to me. You can’t, you just like the idea of killing people even if it’s illegal. Those are the unlawful orders we are talking about.

Classic case of bold ignorance TRUMPing factual knowledge. 

The closest point from Venezuelan territory to US territory is only 163 miles.....that would be Saint Croix US VIRGIN ISLANDS. It's only 478 miles from Caracus to Puerto Rico......another US TERRITORY. 

Not exactly sure that i could "explain that bulls**t" to an intellectual midget like yourself but the READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION below might help.

 

Drug boats in the Caribbean, typically "go-fast" vessels or pangas, operate over varying distances depending on their mission. Go-fast boats usually cover shorter, high-speed routes up to 

several hundred nautical miles, while other vessels like semi-submersibles can have a range of over 1,700 nautical miles (3,200 km). 

 

Types of Vessels and Ranges

The range of drug-smuggling vessels in the Caribbean varies significantly based on the type of boat used and its intended use. 

• Go-fast boats: These are high-speed, 20 to 50-foot powerboats with multiple powerful engines. They are designed for speed to evade law enforcement and typically operate on shorter routes, often from the South American mainland (like Venezuela) to nearby transshipment hubs like Trinidad and Tobago, or other Caribbean islands. Their operational range is generally limited to a few hundred nautical miles, as carrying excessive fuel would reduce cargo space.
• Pangas and Fishing Vessels: These are more modest, outboard-powered boats that blend in with legitimate fishing traffic. They are often used for coastal operations or shorter hops between islands.
• Self-Propelled Semi-Submersibles (SPSS): While more common in the Pacific, some of these stealthy vessels are used. They are custom-built to be mostly submerged to avoid detection and have a much longer operational range, often around 1,700 nautical miles or more, allowing them to cross large expanses of the ocean.
• Yachts and Sailboats: These are sometimes used for smuggling larger quantities over longer distances, using the cover of recreational activity. Their range can be extensive, depending on their size and fuel capacity. 

 

Operational Context

Smuggling operations often use a hub-and-spoke model, with drugs moved from South America to an intermediate Caribbean nation and then on to the final destination in smaller batches. 

For example, a common route involves moving drugs from Venezuela to Trinidad or Puerto Rico, which is a distance of approximately 70-80 nautical miles and 478 nautical miles, respectively. 

The primary limiting factors for smaller, faster boats are fuel capacity and crew endurance. Smugglers must balance fuel weight with the amount of narcotics they can carry, which generally restricts the maximum range of the typical "go-fast" drug boats to trips that can be completed relatively quickly. 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

30 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

The closest point from Venezuelan territory to US territory is only 163 miles.....that would be Saint Croix US VIRGIN ISLANDS. It's only 478 miles from Caracus to Puerto Rico......another US TERRITORY. 

What’s the closest that Cuba is to the US? 

Actual communist nation. They actually prop up Venezuela (& Nicaragua). And they’re notoriously a conduit for drug running.

They’re also a portage for Russian & Chinese navies.

[Gepetto 1,464]

8 hours ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/MalcolmNance/status/1993116985325240551

The United States is 2,100 miles from Venezuela. Those boats have a range of about 100 miles.

So explain that bulls**t to me. You can’t, you just like the idea of killing people even if it’s illegal. Those are the unlawful orders we are talking about.

https://x.com/mdmckin/status/1993135098989101082

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

https://x.com/mdmckin/status/1993135098989101082

“They speed out past our defense to deep sea and rendezvous with cargo vessels under various flags. Those cargo ships dock in ports nearer the US where the drugs are unloaded and smuggled all over the World, including the US.”

I’ve seen this. So:

- Interdict in US waters (legally).

- Interdict in foreign waters with aid of foreign flagging nation or coast (legally):

- Arrest the perpetrators.

- Eavesdrop on their communications.

- Interrogate them.

- Gain access to higher command.

- Coop their members.

- Track their guns trafficking.

- Track their sourcing.

- Check the boats for hostages & human trafficking victims.

- Prosecute them. They don’t mind dying. They do care about being pushed into tin cans with their worst enemies.

>>> We lose all this, and we spend millions of dollars & use precious armaments to take out “a boat”.