ANOTHER case of ICE not giving due process

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What, they couldn't have shot him in the leg???!!!!???!!!

Flipping ICE agents... they act as judge, jury, and executioner!!!!

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So I’ve read about this incident. 
 

IF the ICE agents are telling the truth, then this shooting was perfectly justified, and I have no problem with it. 
 

But unfortunately in this year of 2025 ICE has a reputation for not telling the truth on several occasions, most notably in the Kilmer Abrego Garcia case. That doesn’t mean that they’re lying this time. But on the other hand it wouldn’t surprise me if they are. I will await more confirmation. Again, if it’s true then nobody should object to this. 

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Bidens legacy. 

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During Obama's tenure, a lawsuit filed by the ACLU referred to detention facilities as "hieleras" or "iceboxes," as Salon reported. The lawsuit accused CBP of maintaining "appalling conditions" that left people in "freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for extended periods of time, no access to beds, soap, showers, adequate meals and water, medical care, and lawyers in violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrol's own policies."

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8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

During Obama's tenure, a lawsuit filed by the ACLU referred to detention facilities as "hieleras" or "iceboxes," as Salon reported. The lawsuit accused CBP of maintaining "appalling conditions" that left people in "freezing, overcrowded, and filthy cells for extended periods of time, no access to beds, soap, showers, adequate meals and water, medical care, and lawyers in violation of constitutional standards and Border Patrol's own policies."

They were correct. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They were correct. 

Ever see the side by side photos of Trump's Detention Facilities and Obama's? 

Obama has them sleeping on floors, no A/C, heat, medical or dining facilities. 

Trump's have beds and pillows for every detainee, fully conditioned space (72 degrees), each location has medical facilities onsite, a dining area, games, music, etc. 

Concentration camps my asss. MSNBC is Fake News. 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ever see the side by side photos of Trump's Detention Facilities and Obama's? 

Obama has them sleeping on floors, no A/C, heat, medical or dining facilities. 

Trump's have beds and pillows for every detainee, fully conditioned space (72 degrees), each location has medical facilities onsite, a dining area, games, music, etc. 

Concentration camps my asss. MSNBC is Fake News. 

None of those things was Trump’s idea. His idea was Alligator Alcatraz. 
Obama was awful on this issue. Biden was nearly as bad as Obama. Trump is ten times worse than either. 

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It was (D)ifferent when Obama was president 

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Videos Show How ICE Vehicle Stops Can Escalate to Shootings ~~~ A WSJ visual investigation found that the Minneapolis ICE killing is one of 13 incidents where federal immigration agents have used deadly force against civilians in vehicles since July

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A killing in Minneapolis and the shooting of two people in Portland, Ore., this week are the latest in a string of incidents involving immigration agents firing at civilian vehicles.

 

The Wall Street Journal has identified 13 instances of agents firing at or into civilian vehicles since July, leaving at least eight people shot with two confirmed dead. According to court records and lawyers, only one civilian was armed—with a concealed weapon that was never drawn—and at least five of those shot were U.S. citizens. Several federal officers reported injuries, including bruised ribs, a dislocated finger and a bite wound.

 

The Journal reviewed public records—court documents, agency press releases and gun-violence databases—of vehicle shootings involving immigration agents, though video is only publicly available for four of them. Videos for some of the other shootings remain under protective order or footage hasn’t been released by the relevant agency, despite requests from the Journal.

 

 

 

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which oversees federal immigration agents, said use of force was justified in the 13 cases and charged at least six people with assaulting a federal officer. Charges were later dismissed in three of the cases. 

 

“When faced with dangerous circumstances, DHS law enforcement used their training to protect themselves, their fellow officers, and the public,” said Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin after receiving a list of the incidents the Journal reviewed.

 

The shootings coincide with a surge in street-level enforcement including incidents involving vehicles, from routine traffic stops to high-risk operations tied to President Trump’s immigration crackdown. DHS officials say vehicle attacks against their agents more than doubled in 2025. A White House spokesperson said in recent weeks there have been over 100 car rammings against federal agents.

In Minneapolis on Wednesday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Nicole Good in her vehicle. Bystander video appears to show that when the agent fired, he was positioned to the side of her hood and her wheels were turned away from him as she drove forward.

 

Ross moves toward Good’s vehicle.

 

Footage verified by the Journal and a video shared on Friday by DHS show Ross moving in front of the vehicle while its engine was running, which former and current DHS agents say they are trained not to do. DHS says he fired “defensive shots” while Good was using her car as a deadly weapon, attempting to hit officers. 

The Minneapolis shooting shares characteristics with others the Journal reviewed: Agents box in a vehicle, try to remove an individual, block attempts to flee, then fire.

Over 50,000 traffic stops occur daily in the U.S., making them police’s most common public interaction. Decades of research have produced widely accepted standards for conducting them safely and effectively.

Before last January, federal immigration officials didn’t regularly conduct traffic stops, and didn’t receive extensive training in the practice, according to former DHS official Gil Kerlikowske, who served as U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner from 2014 to 2017. 

A DHS internal oversight committee reported only three “use of force” incidents in 2024 in which an agent intentionally discharged a firearm, according to the agency’s annual report. The number doesn’t include incidents involving CBP officers.

In recent months, DHS has hired thousands of agents to support Trump’s mass-deportation efforts. Amid this influx, a current ICE officer said, DHS has updated its field training; however, new recruits are given priority for the courses and it is unclear to what extent motor vehicle stops are incorporated.

DHS said that its agents are following their training during the incidents and using “appropriate force.”

The Journal spoke to current and former immigration officials, police trainers and law-enforcement researchers involved in developing policing manuals. Here’s how law-enforcement tactics escalated in the four shootings for which the Journal obtained video:

Boxing in  

The footage shows each incident started the same way: with immigration agents blocking the path of a person’s car.

Most law-enforcement organizations reserve boxing in a vehicle for high-risk felony stops, such as when the suspect is armed, according to Geoffrey Alpert, a University of South Carolina professor who trained state and local officers at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers, a training operation run by DHS.

If agents box in a target, the vehicles should be bumper to bumper, with no room for the suspect to drive away, essentially disabling the vehicle, said Alpert. 

But in three of the four shootings, agents left room for the vehicle to flee. 

Minneapolis, Jan. 7. 

 

Two angles from Wednesday’s shooting in Minneapolis show that Good had an exit path in front of her vehicle. 

From left: San Bernardino, Calif., in August; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

That is similar to an August case, in which ICE agents attempted to box in a truck in San Bernardino, Calif. In that instance, the driver was able to turn right onto an intersecting street. The following month in a Chicago suburb, agents failed to block a vehicle’s rear, allowing it to reverse away from officers.

‘Intrusive actions’

Footage from the shootings also shows officers approaching civilian vehicles with their engines still running—a situation police are trained to avoid. According to Kerlikowske, such training is designed to keep officers out of harm’s way.

Grabbing a car door or breaking a window are considered “intrusive actions” that can escalate the moment and create resistance from a suspect, said University of South Carolina law professor and former Tallahassee Police Department officer Seth Stoughton.    

Videos reviewed by the Journal show officers trying to open vehicle doors, reaching into vehicles and smashing windows, followed by drivers fleeing. 

From left: Minneapolis on Jan. 7; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

In two cases, officers smashed the vehicles’ windows within seconds of approaching. 

 

An ICE agent breaks the passenger window in Los Angeles.

 

An ICE agent shatters the driver’s side window in San Bernardino, Calif.

Police are trained to break a window only in specific circumstances, such as if the driver is armed or there is a medical emergency, said Alpert. In footage from the four cases closely reviewed by the Journal, none of the drivers had firearms, but DHS insists they were still dangerous.

Obstructing a moving vehicle 

In at least three of the shootings, officers pursued a vehicle on foot. Footage also shows officers moving into the potential path of the vehicle or clinging on to it while it moved. 

“It’s like policing 101. Don’t get in front of a car or in their potential pathway, especially if the engine is running,” said Jon Blum, a former North Carolina officer who now develops police training curricula.

From left: Minneapolis on Jan. 7; Franklin Park, Ill., in September. 

In Minnesota, one officer continued to hold on to a door handle as another officer appeared to move in front of the vehicle. In September, DHS agents grabbed on to a vehicle as it began to reverse in Franklin Park, Ill.

DHS said the target of the Franklin Park shooting “drove his car at law-enforcement officers.”

Shooting as civilians flee

Current DHS policy reviewed by the Journal states a vehicle fleeing doesn’t justify deadly force, unless the driver poses an imminent threat to someone.  

 

In Minneapolis, an ICE officer fires three shots at Good as she drives.

 

In Franklin Park, Ill., an ICE agent opens fire after the driver reverses.

 

In San Bernardino, Calif., an ICE agent shoots at a truck turning a corner.

Lethal force against a moving vehicle can be justified if an officer is in its path, like DHS says happened in Minnesota. 

In Franklin Park, DHS said, “the officer followed his training, used appropriate force, and properly enforced the law to protect the public and law enforcement.” The agency said the officer was dragged along with a moving vehicle and feared for his own life and public safety.

Firing into a moving vehicle also creates its own danger, according to Alpert.

“If I shoot you, and I’m successful, now we’ve got an unguided missile,” said Alpert. “What if there are kids playing in the street?”<<<
 

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On 9/12/2025 at 3:53 PM, Strike said:

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The Franklin Park Illinois incident is pretty interesting in retrospect. It’s referenced in the WSJ report.

- Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement agent after he reversed his car & tried to flee, Gonzalez careened into a nearby truck.

- DHS claimed the officer was injured, but on the scene he said he had a few lacerations. Here the agent told local news it was “nothing major.”

- Video did not show the agent being dragged, though it may have been out of view. DHS said Rodriguez tried to run the angent over. However DHS also said there was no body cam so there was no body cam video. The only video of the incident shows the agents on the side of the car, not in front.

- This was a targeted stop, not a neighborhood sweep.

- Local news did an investigation & found nothing to back up the accusation that Gonzalez was a repeat reckless driver.

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The Franklin Park Illinois incident is pretty interesting in retrospect. It’s referenced in the WSJ report.

- Shot by Immigration & Customs Enforcement agent after he reversed his car & tried to flee, he careened into a nearby truck.

- DHS claimed the officer was injured, but on the scene he said he had a few lacerations. Here the agent told local news it was “nothing major.”

- Video did not show the agent being dragged, doesn’t show an agent on the driver side at all. DHS said Rodriguez tried to run them over.

- This was a targeted stop, not a neighborhood sweep.

- Local news did an investigation & found nothing to back up the accusation that Rodriguez was a repeat reckless driver.

Unemployed divorcee needs a better hobby. 

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12 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Unemployed divorcee needs a better hobby. 

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Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

I thought he was talking about you. 

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Gonzalez was an employed, married father of two.

Hit close to home?  

Except the still married part. 

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Minneapolis Star Tribune; How a 40-second encounter led an ICE agent to shoot and kill a Twin Cities resident
 

>>>The lives of Minneapolis resident Renee Nicole Good and ICE agent Jonathan Ross intersected on Jan. 7 as car horns blared, sirens wailed and whistles shrieked. 

It was a brief encounter, just 40 seconds on the slippery streets of south Minneapolis in the first week of the new year. Cell phones recorded it from nearly every angle. 

As Good sat in the driver’s seat of her car, her wife was standing nearby. Their dog was in the backseat. Toys for their 6-year-old child were strewn about the car – stuffed animals hanging above the glove box, a dinosaur book and drawing pad on the passenger seat floor.

Ross, who lives in Minnesota and is assigned to the St. Paul field office, was back in action just six months after he was dragged 300 feet by a car as he tried to arrest a Mexican citizen in Bloomington. Images of the encounter show blood covering Ross’ body and clothes. There are dozens of stitches curling down his arm.

As Ross circled Good’s car on Portland Ave., he held his own phone to record what was happening. Good smiled at him. “That’s fine dude,” Good said to Ross, looking up into his face, which was partially obscured by a balaclava. “I’m not mad at you.”

What happened next on that Wednesday morning has once again turned the eyes of the world on Minneapolis. Local politicians have claimed the killing is a direct result of President Donald Trump vindictively targeting the state with immigration enforcement. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem blasted local police for not stopping protesters from “harassing and inciting violence on law enforcement officers.” And in the wake of a shocking killing, there’s been a surge of ICE enforcement in Minnesota. 

The Minnesota Star Tribune reconstructed the moments leading up to the shooting and its immediate aftermath through eyewitness interviews and reviewed multiple videos of the encounter and message logs from protesters.

 

 

It shows how the split-second decisions by Good to drive forward and Ross to pull out his gun turned deadly and ignited a nationwide debate over use of force by ICE agents that shows no signs of abating.

A neighborhood on alert

The morning began with warnings.

Residents throughout the Twin Cities have been sharing information about potential ICE activity for months as the Trump administration works to increase deportations of undocumented immigrants. The activity is aimed to document and disrupt ICE agents from arresting and detaining immigrants. It’s coordinated largely through chats and phone calls on the private message app, Signal.

Residents and activists have recorded the movements of ICE agents, blown whistles to alert others of the federal presence, filmed license plates and locked arms to block arrests. That civil protest heightened after the Trump administration announced on Jan. 6 that an additional 2,000 federal agents would deploy to the Twin Cities.

A friend of Good’s said she was trained to protest ICE presence in the city. Another friend said Good likely followed activity on Signal.

Ashley Horan, who lives across the street from an elementary school in the Powderhorn Park neighborhood, had been receiving warnings about federal immigration activity since sunrise. 

The neighborhood had reason to be on alert. A 2021 study conducted by the University of Minnesota found that it was one of the most diverse neighborhoods in Minneapolis, with a prominent Latino demographic. It’s also the same neighborhood where George Floyd was murdered in 2020.

She left her meeting, got in her car and followed.

The street before the shots

Portland Avenue is one of the most heavily trafficked residential streets in south Minneapolis, stretching 12 miles through the Twin Cities from the Minnesota River to the Mississippi River.

Where Ross came upon Good’s parked car, Portland Avenue operates as a one-way street, southbound. 

There had already been a consistent ICE presence on the block where Ross and Good’s lives collided, said Alaina Kozma, who lives on Portland Avenue near where the shooting took place. “I have seen caravans of ICE going by,” Kozma said as she watched federal officers process the scene the day of the shooting. “I would estimate, four to five times over the last three weeks.”

Good and her wife lived two blocks away from the scene of the shooting. New video released by the Department of Homeland Security Jan. 10 shows Good’s car positioned perpendicularly across part of Portland Avenue, blocking traffic. It is noisy. Residents are blowing whistles and several car horns are blaring.

In a statement provided to Minnesota Public Radio on Jan. 9, Renee Good’s wife, Becca Good, said, “We stopped to support our neighbors. We had whistles. They had guns.”

 

Video footage shows Ross park his SUV a few feet from Good’s car and climb out. He records the video as he walks around the vehicle, making sure to film the license plate.

Other activists and residents were on the street, and several recorded the encounter. Good appears amicable in the driver’s seat, extending her arm out of the window and waving other vehicles past her car. 

As Ross moves around the vehicle, he doesn’t say much, but Becca Good confronts him.

She tells the officer that he doesn’t need to worry, they won’t change out their license plate for another one, which has been a criticized tactic of ICE agents operating in the Twin Cities. She says she is a U.S. citizen and a veteran and asks Ross if he “wants to come at us.” 

Ross stays quiet the entire time. Circling the car and recording.

“I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy,” Becca Good says.

As that is happening, two ICE agents park their truck several feet from Renee Good’s driver’s side door. The agents exit their vehicle and walk toward Good’s car.

Footage captures the agents shouting commands and expletives as they advance.

“Get out of the car. Get out of the car,” one agent can be heard yelling.

An agent pulls on the door handle and then reaches his hand through the window. Good first puts the car in reverse, backs up briefly and then puts the car in drive. Her tires spin slightly on the ice. She turns her wheels and moves forward. Becca Good attempts to open the passenger door, but it’s locked. 

You can hear Becca say to Renee, “Drive baby, drive.”

Ross keeps his cellphone in his left hand and pulls out his gun with his right. 

Gunfire and chaos 

Trevor Heitkamb, 31, who lives on Portland Avenue, was outside his home smoking a cigarette when he heard the gunfire.

“The car was pulling out. The guys were messing with the car,” Heitkamb said of the ICE agents trying to get into Good’s vehicle. “The car pulled forward and they started shooting into it. I saw the crash and I saw the body — the whole thing.”

A Star Tribune analysis of multiple video anglesappears to show Ross firing three shots at close range. The first through the front windshield as Ross stood in front of the car. 

As Good drives forward, video shows that Ross avoids being seriously hit by the car. He moves backward, but it’s not clear if he steps back or is pushed by the vehicle — or both. Neither video suggests Good “ran him over,” as Trump has said. 

The next two shots appear to go through the open driver’s side window as Good’s SUV drives past Ross. After the shots, a voice can be heard saying, “,” punctuated with an expletive.

The SUV careens wildly down the road before crashing into a parked car. 

“Everybody was screaming that they just killed her,” said Lynette Reini-Grandell, a nearby resident who heard the shots as she crossed onto the street. “That they just shot her.”

Ross walked towards Good’s car, turned around, walked back, held his hand up horizontally, rolled his index finger in a circular fashion and was heard saying “Call 911.”

Other ICE agents drew their weapons and forced people back from the vehicle.

Several people at the scene said federal agents prevented a person who identified himself as a doctor from administering CPR to Good. Agents, according to videos from the scene, can be heard telling bystanders they had their own medics.

Venus de Mars, who lives nearby, said she arrived moments later and saw CPR being performed behind a snowbank where Good’s car had come to rest.

“They did CPR on her for about a minute,” de Mars said. “Then the ambulances came and they loaded her onto a stretcher.”

As Signal chats erupted that an observer had been shot — including a message timestamped 9:37 a.m. —people poured onto Portland Avenue, first from nearby homes, then from across the neighborhood.

Within minutes of the shooting, ICE agents leave the scene in the unmarked SUV that Ross arrived in. It isn’t clear if Ross was among them. A bystander yells, “Don’t let him leave.”

The block erupts

As the morning went on, the block grew louder and more volatile.

People blew whistles continuously and shouted at ICE agents, chanting, “You killed my neighbor” and “Murderer.”

ICE agents tackled observers who were in their way. They deployed chemical irritants, sometimes directly into people’s faces. Journalists were also hit.

Neighbors and protesters crouched in the snow, pouring milk and water into one another’s eyes, shouting instructions and trying to help as the scene dissolved into confusion and anger.

Good was transported by ambulance to HCMC, where she was pronounced dead, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara confirmed.

Hours later, blood remained visible in the snow where her vehicle had come to rest.

Transparency and accountability

Within hours of the shooting, President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem were just a few federal officials arguing that the shooting was justified. They also alleged Good had targeted Ross and ran him over in an act of domestic terrorism.

Other city, state and national officials argue that the use of force was unjustified. They say video evidence shows Good trying to leave the scene and not trying to harm anyone.

The dispute will likely continue as state and federal officials conduct separate investigations into a shooting where many have already made conclusions. 

While the discussion over procedure and accountability continues, Minneapolis residents are left grappling with an intensifying conflict and violence on their streets. 

“My life isn’t going to return to normal anytime soon,” Heitkamb said. “I don’t even know how to process what I saw. I’m going to remember Renee for the rest of my life.”<<<

 

 

 

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I hope it snows a lot wherever that car is parked.  Maybe some of Squissys pigeons can fly by and drop some bombs too.

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2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Minneapolis Star Tribune; How a 40-second encounter led an ICE agent to shoot and kill a Twin Cities resident
 

>>>The lives of Minneapolis resident Renee Nicole Good and ICE agent Jonathan Ross intersected on Jan. 7 as car horns blared, sirens wailed and whistles shrieked. 

 

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Police don’t act like this, they’re no police.

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17 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

 We all already know liberals are violent.