Zima was brought up in a thread. Ever have a chick drink that you liked?

[Fnord 2,442]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Vodka Martini. Extra Dry. Olive stuffed with blue cheese. Do it. 

I like vodka, but not in a martini. Blue cheese olives might be good tho.

[jerryskids 6,986]

5 hours ago, Fnord said:

Who cares? Some good gin, dry vermouth, and a couple toothpicks full of garlic and jalapeno stuffed olives make you immune to name calling and shame. So good.

I've moved gin martinis into my rotation with old fashioneds.  I use lemon-stuffed olives at home, and splash a little of the lemony olive juice into the shaker (technically, I stir because shaking is for knuckledraggers), and add a lemon rind.  So I basically get both the olive and the lemon twist goodness, which is good for me because I hate making decisions.   

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Cosmos for all you fags. On me! 

For the OP, around the late 90s I was out at a bar with some work folks and they had a drink none of us had heard of called a cosmo.  I asked what was in it and thought, hmm, that sounds tasty, I'll try it.  When it came out pink, the guys in the group gave me all kinds of shiot.  The chicks though were all over me to taste it and chat me up about it.  It wasn't quite as good as a puppy for a chick magnet, but had I been single, I maybe could have parlayed that pink drink into some other pink.   

[supermike80 2,047]

43 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I like vodka, but not in a martini. Blue cheese olives might be good tho.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,860]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I like vodka, but not in a martini. Blue cheese olives might be good tho.

They’re awesome. 

[Fnord 2,442]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

 (technically, I stir because shaking is for knuckledraggers)

Please explain this. I had a friend try to convince me once that shaking "bruises" the booze or somesuch. I disregarded him because he was a poser into all things trendy. I shake the hell out of the mix with ice before pouring into a glass sans ice. Help out a knuckledragger!

[Fnord 2,442]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Not a blue cheese fan I take it...

[Ron_Artest 1,994]

The only good martini is a dirty one, extra dirty, like your mom.

[Bier Meister 1,741]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Please explain this. I had a friend try to convince me once that shaking "bruises" the booze or somesuch. I disregarded him because he was a poser into all things trendy. I shake the hell out of the mix with ice before pouring into a glass sans ice. Help out a knuckledragger!

Shake cocktails containing citrus, cream, milk, or egg for better emulsification and aeration, creating a frothy texture. 

 

Stir cocktails made only with spirits and liqueurs, like Manhattans and Martinis, to maintain their clarity, keep the delicate flavors intact, and avoid over-dilution. 

[Fnord 2,442]

7 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

Shake cocktails containing citrus, cream, milk, or egg for better emulsification and aeration, creating a frothy texture. 

 

Stir cocktails made only with spirits and liqueurs, like Manhattans and Martinis, to maintain their clarity, keep the delicate flavors intact, and avoid over-dilution. 

Should I also drink it from a tall rainbow flute and hold my pinky finger up while lisping my drink order?

I don't drink cocktails that need an emulsifier. And I fail to see how shaking will somehow affect flavor. Incorrect dilution is not a concern. Please explain further while I make fun of your responses (but not you, I get you're just trying to answer a question)

[Bier Meister 1,741]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Should I also drink it from a tall rainbow flute and hold my pinky finger up while lisping my drink order?

I don't drink cocktails that need an emulsifier. And I fail to see how shaking will somehow affect flavor. Incorrect dilution is not a concern. Please explain further while I make fun of your responses (but not you, I get you're just trying to answer a question)

an emulsion changes the chemical compound (you likely know this). i'll drink margaritas/daiquiris blended and rocks (no umbrella) on vacation and at home in the summer

 

Stirring offers more control over dilution/chilling/integrity of flavors

 

Edit: i also have whisky rocks for when i want zero dilution (chill with no extra water)

[Fnord 2,442]

Just now, Bier Meister said:

an emulsion changes the chemical compound (you likely know this). i'll drink margaritas/daiquiris blended and rocks (no umbrella) on vacation and at home in the summer

 

Stirring offers more control over dilution/chilling/integrity of flavors

Ok but I still don't understand how shaking somehow alters the flavor while stirring doesn't. 

[seafoam1 3,319]

Never stir a martini. Always shake the fock out of them if they are straight gin or vodka. Throw in some blue cheese olives and everyone is happy. Proven.

[SUXBNME 1,594]

7 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Never worry about the opinions of people who only drink light beer.

[jerryskids 6,986]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Ok but I still don't understand how shaking somehow alters the flavor while stirring doesn't. 

My initial answer was going to be "I dunno, I'm just a poseur like your buddy," but thankfully Bier rescued me.    

I don't exactly know the answer because I'm not a chemist, but a few thoughts.

One, I don't think that stirring DOESN'T alter the flavor, but moreso that it alters it less than shaking.

Two, liquors like gin have a lot of aromatic botanicals infused in it (juniper of course, but generally several/many others).  Perhaps shaking agitates the liquid such that it releases more of these aromas into the air vs. stirring, thus altering the taste?

Three, it is known in poseur circles that a single drop of water in whiskey alters the taste.  I believe it releases some flavor chemicals that are previously bound within the liquid, and is thus considered a generally good thing.  It was common in Scotland, for instance, to be given a dropper and glass of water to accompany your Scotch.  But perhaps too much is a bad thing?

In the end, perhaps the dilution is the biggest thing.  Sunday night I had a martini at the airport before my flight.  Bartender shook the fock out of it, and I ended up with a diluted drink with little flecks of ice in it.  Not nearly as good as when I stir my own at home.

[supermike80 2,047]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Not a blue cheese fan I take it...

Hate it.  Feta too. Gag 

[supermike80 2,047]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Should I also drink it from a tall rainbow flute and hold my pinky finger up while lisping my drink order?

 

You mean,  like you normally do?