Stafford or Maye for MVP right now? **edit**

[WhiteWonder 2,963]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Padded is a feel.  They have a good record so whos to say what plays should be called.  Im no stranger to it, Rodgers loved to throw inside the 5.  Rams have 2 good backs and run it fairly well, they rarely ever run down in there.   Adams is thr best goal line WR ever so perhaps it just makes sense.  They kept forcing pass down deep vs Carolina, they got a couple but one was batted up in air and picked.   They lost the game. Again whos to say, but thry sure do routinely love to pass it in close and never rely on a good run game, a McVay staple. 

Maye last night at end of game was clearly stat padding attempts.  

I dont mind if you want to stat pad.  Just pointing it out some.   Both teams are good so its not like it is hurting them if so.  

i did find it curious that Maye threw the ball on 2nd and goal, up 15. I was expecting run, run, FG. But then you look at his overall pass attempts on the year and I think it would be hard to say that situations like that are a common or that Love has never questionably thrown near the goal line. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,949]

Love? No. 

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6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i did find it curious that Maye threw the ball on 2nd and goal, up 15. I was expecting run, run, FG. But then you look at his overall pass attempts on the year and I think it would be hard to say that situations like that are a common or that Love has never questionably thrown near the goal line. 

Just saying it was clear.  Which is fine.  Up 15, 3 minutes left, NY zero TOs....you go 5 wide and almost pick 6.  Then you go 4 wide and he takes a hit.   The game is over even if you run twice and miss a FG.  Lol. If anything you are having a good season, you dont want your QB taking a hit when gane is in hand.   About as clear of a forced TD pass as you can get.   

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20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Love? No. 

Hes 4th in odds.  Im just saying its closer than the odds, at least in real football.  Not that odds get moved on that, its about what will be voted for.   It would take Maye limping in with 2 bad games, and the Packers claiming the 1 seed in order for him to have a chance.  

For as aggressive as Love is, which he is one of the most aggressive..

Love has taken the 3rd least sacks.  One may say well great line but thats not the case.  They are mid by anyones opinion.   Hes been great at sack avoidance his whole career.  

2nd least ints of any QB who has played a majority of the year.  While being one of most aggressive.   

Packers are 1st on 3rd and long and bottom 6 on 3rd and short.   Hes the best passer on late downs by almost any metric.   

Dont love these stats as now a days there are much better metrics to use.  But only QB to be top 4 in both rating and qbr.  

We hear about injuries of all these teams but Packers routinely never are in that discussion.   Reed his #1 has been out basically whole year.  Watson his #2 missed what?  First 7 games?  Wicks and Golden both have missed a handful.  And Kraft who was playing like the best TE in football went out for the year several weeks ago.  

He just doesnt have the gaudy stats even if they are good.  Mostly because Lafleur likes to try and squeeze wins out.  Pound the rock for 3 yards a pop on 1st and 2nd.  

 

[MDC 7,983]

It’s Maye right now. No other QB one an elite team (by record at least) has done more with less on O. 

Staffird has far better weapons at his disposal and Love’s stars lag behind both by too much.

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No knock on Stafford or Maye, I like both of those guys and both should be the favorites.  Not sure who I would pick to win it right now.  

I feel Stafford is a classic opportunity to give it to a guy with a great career who has never won and is finally in position to win it.  

I feel Maye could get a bump off of his team turning around so much and winning that division no one thought they could win because of the Bills.  

If I had to pick I would go Maye, but its really close.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,949]

Love has too many stinkers.  Thats why his team is fighting for a playoff spot. This week will say a lot, but those stinkers aren’t going away. 

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Love has too many stinkers.  Thats why his team is fighting for a playoff spot. This week will say a lot, but those stinkers aren’t going away. 

Ill sort of buy that.  Once in a while they look lost on offense.  They bounce back but every handful of games it seems like its 13-10.   Its confusing because while young theyve played together a decent amount.  Lafleur generally is a solid playcaller even if hes a pansy on occasion.  

Looks like Maye and Stafford havent had many clunkers that end up in a loss. Stafford wasnt great vs Carolina last Sunday but that may be his only one and they still scored some points.   

[edjr 6,960]

Drake Maye leads the league in passing yards, has no game over 300

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Drake Maye leads the league in passing yards, has no game over 300

Heard that last night, thats pretty wild.  Consistent.  

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20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Love has too many stinkers.  Thats why his team is fighting for a playoff spot. This week will say a lot, but those stinkers aren’t going away. 

Ill go back and still agree but for context sake...and shlt happens in football, maybe dont play that close with inferior teams..

He threw a bad int, but they set up a 43 yard fg to basically win, blocked, Browns get to a 55 yard fg in 20 seconds and drill it.  

Dallas tie 40-40 game saw a XP blocked and returned for 2pts.  A 3 pt swing.  

Again its on the offense and QB, especially in a close low scoring Browns game to not rely on a kick to win...but it was 43 yards.  Just make it.  Meanwhile every other team is out there drilling 58 yarders in their sleep.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Heard that last night, thats pretty wild.  Consistent.  

Seems to me that QB stats overall are way down.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,496]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ill go back and still agree but for context sake...and shlt happens in football, maybe dont play that close with inferior teams..

He threw a bad int, but they set up a 43 yard fg to basically win, blocked, Browns get to a 55 yard fg in 20 seconds and drill it.  

Dallas tie 40-40 game saw a XP blocked and returned for 2pts.  A 3 pt swing.  

Again its on the offense and QB, especially in a close low scoring Browns game to not rely on a kick to win...but it was 43 yards.  Just make it.  Meanwhile every other team is out there drilling 58 yarders in their sleep.  

The weeks they through a clearly not 100% McManus out there while they kept an extra kicker on the active roster is mind boggling.  Between him missing kicks or LaFleur going for it on fourth and long because he didn't trust McManus is practically coaching/gm malpractice.

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6 minutes ago, edjr said:

Seems to me that QB stats overall are way down.

 

Oh for sure last few years.  Just the shell coverage.  Teams have figured hey make them earn it and see if they mess up or stall out in redzone.  So many Packers games with 5 drives in a half.   The 12 play drive is in.  Defenses have also gotten lighter, tons of nickle, so we are seeing more 2 TE, 6 OL, run on 1st down.  

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3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The weeks they through a clearly not 100% McManus out there while they kept an extra kicker on the active roster is mind boggling.  Between him missing kicks or LaFleur going for it on fourth and long because he didn't trust McManus is practically coaching/gm malpractice.

Lafleur weirds me out.  He will randomly go for a 4th and 7.  But then many other times call it so conservative.   Cant tell if hes conservative or not.  Maybe just sporadic.  The element of surprise!

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh for sure last few years.  Just the shell coverage.  Teams have figured hey make them earn it and see if they mess up or stall out in redzone.  So many Packers games with 5 drives in a half.   The 12 play drive is in.  Defenses have also gotten lighter, tons of nickle, so we are seeing more 2 TE, 6 OL, run on 1st down.  

Remember when Matt Flynn passed for 480 yards and 6 TDS in the final week and got himself a phat contract. Maybe Seattle or the Dolphins?

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16 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ill go back and still agree but for context sake...and shlt happens in football, maybe dont play that close with inferior teams..

He threw a bad int, but they set up a 43 yard fg to basically win, blocked, Browns get to a 55 yard fg in 20 seconds and drill it.  

Dallas tie 40-40 game saw a XP blocked and returned for 2pts.  A 3 pt swing.  

Again its on the offense and QB, especially in a close low scoring Browns game to not rely on a kick to win...but it was 43 yards.  Just make it.  Meanwhile every other team is out there drilling 58 yarders in their sleep.  

Not every team.  Some of them are still struggling with extra points. 

[Gladiators 2,035]

6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lafleur weirds me out.  He will randomly go for a 4th and 7.  But then many other times call it so conservative.   Cant tell if hes conservative or not.  Maybe just sporadic.  The element of surprise!

I feel like he doesn't fully trust Love, so he goes too conservative at times.  Maybe it's just the flow of the game and how he's feeling that the moment.

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Like I said its football, shlt happens.  But its not like these kicks were driving kicks from 55 yards to be blocked.  A 43 and a xp should come out plenty high enough.  Just a meltdown in blocking though.  

Things happen in games so 1 play doesnt mean game will play out the same.  But Browns game thr 43 yarder id a win.  Thr Dallas game happened earlier but Dallas stormed back.  A lot could happen but that 3 pt swing probably was the game.  Thats 0-1-1 vs 2-0-0.  Then the Panthers loss was just ridiculous.  Eagles game was there.  

Packers continue to be a team that can play with anyone but could lose to anyone.  Never step on a throat, most always tight games.  Its been that way for a bit.  

1 seed I believe can go a long way in NFC.  Rams outside have performed but id much rather see them in the cold.  Detroit is out of that spot but were a team that inside vs outside is huge.  I think NFC is wide open, but if Rams get 1 seed, I think they are just the best team.  Itd sway it a lot if they have to go out to Philly or GB in playoffs.  

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6 minutes ago, edjr said:

Remember when Matt Flynn passed for 480 yards and 6 TDS in the final week and got himself a phat contract. Maybe Seattle or the Dolphins?

Seattle.  Yes I do.  Vs Lions I believe.  

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13 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I feel like he doesn't fully trust Love, so he goes too conservative at times.  Maybe it's just the flow of the game and how he's feeling that the moment.

He trusted Love on that 4th down last game.  

I think he just generally wants to run the ball and use playaction.  He knows he finally has a decent defense, feel he leaves it up to them too much this year. 

They routinely have so few possessions.  Their game 2 weeks ago ended like 35 minutes before most all the games in that slot.  Its like he just says lets take possessions out and assume we can be more efficient with our few than our opponent.  

I like Jacobs and he routinely finds 2 yards off a -1 blocking play.  But the run game isnt very explosive most games.  Its hard to play that kind of ball each game, thr games they hardly score are the games where it clearly didnt work.  They have the least turnovers so its not that.   Its a good thing they are elite on 3rd and long.   GB leads league on 3rd down and thats without a great run game or sneak game.  To me Lafleur plays this small ball game that eventually asks Love to bail them out to keep drives alive.   And theyve done it, but its not sustainable.   

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This thread is hijacked but, Seattle is scary but everyone sees Darnold and expects something bad eventually.   Like late last year.  

Thats a good team.  Darnold has been mostly real good this season, if he can keep it up thats a team that can win thr NFC some how.   

This late season and playoffs will be a good litmus tests for QB.  Many good teams have a guy people wrote off or that is meh.   Darnold and Jones.  Stafford is old.  Maye and Nix 2nd year.  Nix is alright but not elite.   Much different feel than most years where AFC has the big 3, NFC has great all around rosters in 9ers and Philly with a Brady mixed in.  

Watch Lamar and Allen make playoffs and win the AFC anyway.  (Mahomes too but tougher to get in)