How much are your health insurance costs rising?

[Ron_Artest 2,410]

10 hours ago, Mr Fantasy said:

They could’ve extended this again this week but don’t want to . Numbnuts

They voted to extend but Republicans rejected.

You can't be this dumb.

Democrats’ Proposal to Extend Enhanced ACA Subsidies Fails in Senate - WSJ https://share.google/G8OkLQpvsRI3me66X

[Maximum Overkill 2,597]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

They voted to extend but Republicans rejected.

You can't be this dumb.

Democrats’ Proposal to Extend Enhanced ACA Subsidies Fails in Senate - WSJ https://share.google/G8OkLQpvsRI3me66X

My insurance is still free 

[nobody 2,926]

Dems probably wanted subsidies for ever and ever and ever.  They probably had them expire just so the CBO numbers wouldn't look crazy.  Cooked the books essentially to get it passed.  

Pretty nefarious actually.  

1. Hide the true cost knowing it wasn't economically feasible
2. Get people hooked on it so politicians and would feel compelled to keep extending them.

If the system can't survive without subsidies, it should've never been passed. 

[MDC 8,069]

14 minutes ago, nobody said:

Dems probably wanted subsidies for ever and ever and ever.  They probably had them expire just so the CBO numbers wouldn't look crazy.  Cooked the books essentially to get it passed.  

Pretty nefarious actually.  

1. Hide the true cost knowing it wasn't economically feasible
2. Get people hooked on it so politicians and would feel compelled to keep extending them.

If the system can't survive without subsidies, it should've never been passed. 

Nothing stopping the WH / Congressional Republicans to propose their own HC plan. 

[seafoam1 3,497]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Nothing stopping the WH / Congressional Republicans to propose their own HC plan. 

No one cares about mdpee's opinion. Useless. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Dems probably wanted subsidies for ever and ever and ever.  They probably had them expire just so the CBO numbers wouldn't look crazy.  Cooked the books essentially to get it passed.  

Pretty nefarious actually.  

1. Hide the true cost knowing it wasn't economically feasible
2. Get people hooked on it so politicians and would feel compelled to keep extending them.

If the system can't survive without subsidies, it should've never been passed. 

Great post. Now you’ll be attacked for telling the truth. 

[Reality 3,134]

Ram through predictably horrible legislation without a single Republican vote. Blame Republicans when the predictable events happen. 

You don't hate pieces of shlt like the OP enough. Seriously, just garbage focking human beings.

[seafoam1 3,497]

9 minutes ago, Reality said:

Ram through predictably horrible legislation without a single Republican vote. Blame Republicans when the predictable events happen. 

You don't hate pieces of shlt like the OP enough. Seriously, just garbage focking human beings.

Liberals are a curse on this nation.  

[JuneJuly 213]

On 11/20/2025 at 3:23 PM, WhiteWonder said:

you asked how it was different, not how it was specifically more affordable. Guess you are trying to move the goalposts because someone gave you an example and you didn't think anyone would.

as far as i'm concerned, giving more options to people who currently need ACA is a good thing, and the plans they don't currently have access to, do in fact become more affordable. 

This may have been the most ridiculous conversation I've ever read.  Mix in finance and math with Banned_Artest's IQ and you quickly realize why it's pointless to have any discussion with any of the metal helmets.  

One thing neither of you brought up is the FACT that extending the covid subsidies are way more beneficial to wealthy people. Comparatively they benefit a lot more as compared to the GOP plan of giving everyone the same amount. The premium caps do increase for the poor, from 0% - 8.5% to 2%- 9.5%, but, for anyone above 400% poverty level they subsidies disappear altogether.  Example:

Someone with poverty level MAGI used to pay 0%  Now they pay $400 per YEAR.  OMG that's a 400% increase!!1!!!1!!

Someone with a MAGI of just above 400%,poverty level used to pay $500 per MONTH, now they have to get private insurance at full cost.  

[WhiteWonder 2,989]

3 hours ago, JuneJuly said:

This may have been the most ridiculous conversation I've ever read.  Mix in finance and math with Banned_Artest's IQ and you quickly realize why it's pointless to have any discussion with any of the metal helmets.  

One thing neither of you brought up is the FACT that extending the covid subsidies are way more beneficial to wealthy people. Comparatively they benefit a lot more as compared to the GOP plan of giving everyone the same amount. The premium caps do increase for the poor, from 0% - 8.5% to 2%- 9.5%, but, for anyone above 400% poverty level they subsidies disappear altogether.  Example:

Someone with poverty level MAGI used to pay 0%  Now they pay $400 per YEAR.  OMG that's a 400% increase!!1!!!1!!

Someone with a MAGI of just above 400%,poverty level used to pay $500 per MONTH, now they have to get private insurance at full cost.  

sure but I was specifically focusing on the false notion that giving the $ directly to consumers is the same thing as giving it to the insurance companies. For some reason, some people have a hard time understanding that only certain providers participate in ACA and they only offer certain (usually bad) plans. So giving the $ directly to the consumer opens up any plan they wish to consider... and that is what makes that proposal better. 

for a comparison libs should love, it would be like telling lifelong welfare people they can use their food stamps on anything and anywhere they want  (of course that is not actually a positive, but I bet libs think it is)

[Ron_Artest 2,410]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

sure but I was specifically focusing on the false notion that giving the $ directly to consumers is the same thing as giving it to the insurance companies. For some reason, some people have a hard time understanding that only certain providers participate in ACA and they only offer certain (usually bad) plans. So giving the $ directly to the consumer opens up any plan they wish to consider... and that is what makes that proposal better. 

for a comparison libs should love, it would be like telling lifelong welfare people they can use their food stamps on anything and anywhere they want  (of course that is not actually a positive, but I bet libs think it is)

For the record, the WH pushed a different idea.  Give the money to the people, people get the sh1ttier plan, and they use the money to cover the bills insurance doesn't.

[JuneJuly 213]

21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

For the record, the WH pushed a different idea.  Give the money to the people, people get the sh1ttier plan, and they use the money to cover the bills insurance doesn't.

For the record, you're wrong, again.  

The money was to go into HSA accounts. That requires a higher deductible plan (which you think is chitter), but a HSA is a great wealth building tool and the preferred plan for smart and healthy people.  Even more so if the government were to cover the cost of that deductible.  Two fold if you don't get sick and need to use it.  

[seafoam1 3,497]

My healthcare costs have been great. Easily affordable. 

[Ron_Artest 2,410]

3 hours ago, JuneJuly said:

For the record, you're wrong, again.  

The money was to go into HSA accounts. That requires a higher deductible plan (which you think is chitter), but a HSA is a great wealth building tool and the preferred plan for smart and healthy people.  Even more so if the government were to cover the cost of that deductible.  Two fold if you don't get sick and need to use it.  

Yeah healthcare is cheap if you don't get sick

I love that you came back.

[seafoam1 3,497]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah healthcare is cheap if you don't get sick

I love that you came back.

So you get sick a lot and have crappy insurance? Or none at all? 

Sucks to be you. I pay very little of my budget for health insurance. And I'm fully covered. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,013]

Occupy Wall Street was over the target before Obamas re-election. So the democrats just called everyone racist. Fight amongst yourselves. 

[nobody 2,926]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Occupy Wall Street was over the target before Obamas re-election. So the democrats just called everyone racist. Fight amongst yourselves. 

Preach