Those with Caleb

[josh wiley 77]

I’m more than a little concerned with the matchup, gb, and the weather this week. Thinking of starting tua over him. Thoughts?

[weepaws 3,410]

I think I would agree. 

[josh wiley 77]

I just checked the weather again on here and it says high of 20 with sleet. How in the hell do u get sleet when it’s 20 degrees? But regardless another reason for me to make the switch

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

Running/Athletic QBs tend to do pretty well in crappy weather. I'm not scared of 

[josh wiley 77]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Running/Athletic QBs tend to do pretty well in crappy weather. I'm not scared of 

Ok I get u on that possibly. But is there no concern from u about parsons and the packers def also?

[SaintsInDome2006 754]

On 12/4/2025 at 11:14 AM, josh wiley said:

I’m more than a little concerned with the matchup, gb, and the weather this week. Thinking of starting tua over him. Thoughts?

What’s the weather situation in Green Bay? TIA.

[jrokh 617]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

What’s the weather situation in Green Bay? TIA.

Just really cold, temps in the teens. Not a huge deal...

[josh wiley 77]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

What’s the weather situation in Green Bay? TIA.

Just checked it again. High of 19 and low of 3. Guessing game will be around 15 most of the game being that it starts 3:25 ct. might not be the ice bowl, but makes me think twice

[Ray_T 794]

12 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Running/Athletic QBs tend to do pretty well in crappy weather. I'm not scared of 

there will probably be more QB scrambles I suspect.    it has been my experience that sleet isnt a big deal breaker.   wind is worse.   snow/sleet become an issue if it falls to an extent where you cannot see the numbers on the field.

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

8 hours ago, Ray_T said:

there will probably be more QB scrambles I suspect.    it has been my experience that sleet isnt a big deal breaker.   wind is worse.   snow/sleet become an issue if it falls to an extent where you cannot see the numbers on the field.

 

He's a scrambler who does his best work when on the fly. I think this weather can benefit him and his rushing upside is always there. He has a wonderful floor 

[LVSaint429 34]

As a lifelong Bears fan, it pains me to say it but if you have another option at QB you should use it. Williams has had a hard enough time being accurate in good conditions. Very cold & breezy makes throwing even more difficult. The Bears are also settling in to a run-first mode & with a good Packers D it’s not setting up for a strong statistical day for Williams this week

[Drogon 29]

I have Williams and I am benching him for Stroud.  Not that happy about Stoud/his matchup either but think Stroud is going to need to throw the ball.  Texans run game is almost nonexistent while the Bear's run game is firing on all cylinders as of late. They ran all over the Eagles last week and due to that success and possible adverse weather today no reason to think the Bears don't rely on their running game again today.

[jrokh 617]

53 minutes ago, LVSaint429 said:

Very cold & breezy makes throwing even more difficult.

Not sure where you are getting breezy from. Winds are looking at 5mph or less. Will be cold, but no precipitation and light winds. normal winter day in the north... Jacksonville looks like the worst weather day on the slate...

[LVSaint429 34]

Just now, jrokh said:

Not sure where you are getting breezy from. Winds are looking at 5mph or less. Will be cold, but no precipitation and light winds. normal winter day in the north... Jacksonville looks like the worst weather day on the slate...

Wasn’t meaning to make it sound like strong winds, so apologies if it seemed that way. As of 11am Green Bay time, about 10mph winds gusting up to 19 but should settle down under 10mph by game time

[Ray_T 794]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He's a scrambler who does his best work when on the fly. I think this weather can benefit him and his rushing upside is always there. He has a wonderful floor 

sure he does.   but if you have a comparable option playing in a dome obviously you start the guy in the dome.

bad weather has ruined many a fantasy games for people.

I think his team has  a better chance to win with the weather.  but for fantasy, I'd at least knock a couple of points of his projected if the weather is actually bad.   20F isnt horrible but it is somewhat uncomfortable.    to a point where WR will drop some passes they should catch etc.    There will likely be one or two extra fumbles in the game. 

but if the wind isnt howling and if the snow/sleet isnt coming down voraciously it should be business as usual other than the aforementioned points

[jrokh 617]

17 minutes ago, LVSaint429 said:

Wasn’t meaning to make it sound like strong winds, so apologies if it seemed that way. As of 11am Green Bay time, about 10mph winds gusting up to 19 but should settle down under 10mph by game time

All good, regardless I’d play someone else over Caleb if you have a decent option…

[LVSaint429 34]

5 first downs, 59 total yds…4-11 for 11 yds passing in 1st half. I thought it would be bad, but geeeeeeez F-ing PATHETIC

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

12 hours ago, LVSaint429 said:

5 first downs, 59 total yds…4-11 for 11 yds passing in 1st half. I thought it would be bad, but geeeeeeez F-ing PATHETIC

15 Fantasy points isn't great but it's not terrible. Looking around the league this week, it could of been worse. He was projected for 18 

[listen2me 23 1,964]

12 hours ago, LVSaint429 said:

5 first downs, 59 total yds…4-11 for 11 yds passing in 1st half. I thought it would be bad, but geeeeeeez F-ing PATHETIC

Ben is doing all he can to get him layup schemed up throws.  As seen on that tricky throwback to the TE who go lost cutting through the line.  The final play was a great playcall but better play by Nixon.  It was there enough and Caleb didnt get it to him.  

As a Packers fan, I dont like Caleb.  I will say he is a playmaker and can make some wow plays.  Hes very fleet of foot.  But down in and down out I dont see anything great.  Ben schemes a lot for him.  Their OL is good, their run game is good.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

As a Packers fan, I dont like Caleb.  I will say he is a playmaker and can make some wow plays.  Hes very fleet of foot.  But down in and down out I dont see anything great.  Ben schemes a lot for him.  Their OL is good, their run game is good.  

But take into consideration that this is really his rookie season. Last year was a cluster Fuk with coaches and OCs coming and going. 

I feel like he's ahead of schedule. I think those who don't see it, don't want to. The kid is definitely special. 

[listen2me 23 1,964]

43 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

But take into consideration that this is really his rookie season. Last year was a cluster Fuk with coaches and OCs coming and going. 

I feel like he's ahead of schedule. I think those who don't see it, don't want to. The kid is definitely special. 

Oh im not saying he sucks.  Ive held same position on him fot a bit.  Hes talented, I think a little sporadic.  He throws some great balls but then also misses easy ones.  He has talent, but Ben and that retooled OL are what finding them wins this season.  Caleb is just sort of along for thr ride.  

Im not sure how you can say ahead of schedule.  Hes not bad but definitely not ahead.   Hes a generational talent supposedly.  He didnt have Oduzne this game.  But he has a top 10 WR a top 10 TE, DJ Moore, 2nd round Burden, a vet like Kmet, thr number 1 rated OL this year, Ben Johnson, and a light schedule with a defense that has taken it away more than anyone.  It would be hard for any QB to screw that up let alone a "generational talent".  He still has plenty of justin Fields looking games.     

Coming into this game he was 40th out of 42 qualifiers in adjusted completion %.  1 behind JJ mcCarthey and 1 ahead of dillion gabriel.   

[listen2me 23 1,964]

Im not even railing on Caleb, I understand his rookie year saw some mess at coaches.  But other QBs see that and dont get a pass like Caleb.  People tried to use that excuse for years with Fields until they finally just now realized he just not very good.  

Bryce Young is 2 spots ahead of Caleb in rating and 2 spots behind in QBR.  I get he has a year on him.  But his coach was fired in his first season with Thielen as his number 1 and no talent.  And people quickly wrote him off.  Is Bryce on schedule?

I get you could say Caleb just has more pure talent than Bryce or other QBs who are written off quickly.  But the rules/guidelines/judegment seem to be different for other QBs.  

[SaintsInDome2006 754]

I actually thought that was a much better performance than I expected - sub 10 degree weather, the GB pass rush, at Lambeau. He nearly pulled it off but his touch & decision making on the last play were off. The 1st quarter was more like what I expected.

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Bryce Young is 2 spots ahead of Caleb in rating and 2 spots behind in QBR.  I get he has a year on him.  But his coach was fired in his first season with Thielen as his number 1 and no talent.  And people quickly wrote him off.  Is Bryce on schedule?

I'll take Caleb 10 times out of 10 in Dynasty. So would every other sane individual. 

[LVSaint429 34]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

15 Fantasy points isn't great but it's not terrible. Looking around the league this week, it could have been worse. He was projected for 18 

He came on in the 2nd half but that’s because of the playcalling. They were incredibly conservative in the 1st half. Also, Williams needs to start loosening up the defense by throwing downfield to WRs. Dump offs to RB’s & short routes to TEs are nice, but his downfield accuracy to WRs is horrendous

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

Mahomes had 6 points last night. Nobody rips him 

Caleb gets 16 and he blows. 

[weepaws 3,410]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Mahomes had 6 points last night. Nobody rips him 

Caleb gets 16 and he blows. 

How many Super Bowls has Caleb won? Respect is earned.  

[listen2me 23 1,964]

28 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'll take Caleb 10 times out of 10 in Dynasty. So would every other sane individual. 

Im not talking about fantasy football.  

And I didnt say id take Bryce over Caleb.  I was just wondering why 1 guy got written off after year one with a crap team and changing coaches and the other its made into an excuse.  

Its kind of like when guys like Darnold and Baker were written off.  Then Justin Fields got year after year of excuses.

The guidelines as to how QBs are seen seem to be random.   

Like I said im not trashing Caleb.  Hes improved.   Im not saying he sucks and wont ever be solid.  But I dont see exactly what hes shown with good weapons, a top OL, and one of the very best offensive coaches....he will have a big game here or there.  But a lot of Justin Fields looking games. Im impressed with Ben Johnson and how they rebuilt their OL quickly.  Cant say im all that impressed with Caleb.  

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

made into an excuse.  

Who's making excuses for anyone? 

[listen2me 23 1,964]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Who's making excuses for anyone? 

You said its basically his rookie year because last year they canned coaches.  Then go onto say hes ahead of schedule.  To me that sounds like an excuse.  

How far is Maye ahead of schedule then?  Daniels was in running for MVP in his actual rookie season.   

How slow was the schedule for a "generational talent"?   Of course year 2 fot any QB isnt the end all, but when his peers, drafted after him, go and play much better earlier than him.....I cant say hes ahead of schedule.   Not sure how anyone could.  

To stress it, im not saying he blows and will never be good.  I just dont know what hes done that is that impressive.   Are you blown away by him having a chance to beat a division rival and hold onto the division...and then throwing a bad ball that gets picked off in endzone?  Are you blown away by his numbers?  He ranks bottom 3rd of league in most any metrics besides running.  

[Ray_T 794]

5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Oh im not saying he sucks.  Ive held same position on him fot a bit.  Hes talented, I think a little sporadic.  He throws some great balls but then also misses easy ones.  He has talent, but Ben and that retooled OL are what finding them wins this season.  Caleb is just sort of along for thr ride.  

Im not sure how you can say ahead of schedule.  Hes not bad but definitely not ahead.   Hes a generational talent supposedly.  He didnt have Oduzne this game.  But he has a top 10 WR a top 10 TE, DJ Moore, 2nd round Burden, a vet like Kmet, thr number 1 rated OL this year, Ben Johnson, and a light schedule with a defense that has taken it away more than anyone.  It would be hard for any QB to screw that up let alone a "generational talent".  He still has plenty of justin Fields looking games.     

Coming into this game he was 40th out of 42 qualifiers in adjusted completion %.  1 behind JJ mcCarthey and 1 ahead of dillion gabriel.   

well, generational talent only counts once he gets 'it'.

he is learning.  I am seeing some progress.   Keep in mind he was playing against a very good D this week in substandard weather.  I wasnt expecting a huge fantasy game.

but the team was in it right up until the end.   It ended with that INT.     I dont mind those kind of INT.  time was  the enemy and they needed the TD to tie.   while they could have done a short play, there is the risk the clock runs out, so might as well go for it and see what you can do.   There are times where you just gotta take your best shot knowing if you make it you got something and if you miss you lose.

but he will learn from this.

 

[rotisserieking 81]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Mahomes had 6 points last night. Nobody rips him 

I'm not up on the Bears OL situation but it certainly seemed pretty good last week vs Philly. The Chiefs O-Line is a focking disaster and lost 1 of their last starters 14 seconds into the game. Hard to be a magician when you face the #1 defense with sub-par linemen. That offense is a mess.

[SaintsInDome2006 754]

Another 10 degree game.

Williams did pretty good at GB last week.

[josh wiley 77]

On 12/8/2025 at 12:04 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

Mahomes had 6 points last night. Nobody rips him 

Caleb gets 16 and he blows. 

Have to give u credit u were right about going with Caleb last week. Started tua and lost by a couple more than their difference, but still won my league regular season. But in the spirit of yogi Berra feels like Deja vu all over again this week. Really good def and even colder temps. Having said that will probably be rolling with him tomorrow. Gl to all

[Drogon 29]

Think Bears lean on running game against Browns/try to keep Garrett from getting the sack record against them lol.  Have Caleb in both my leagues.  Dynasty league have a first round bye so no issue.  Re-draft league going with Stroud over Caleb.

[Ray_T 794]

On 12/8/2025 at 10:04 AM, Maximum Overkill said:

Mahomes had 6 points last night. Nobody rips him 

Caleb gets 16 and he blows. 

Mahomes has been good for long enough that hes earned himself a little leniency.     Caleb some are still questioning if he has what it takes to be a pro QB.

personally I thought he had a solid performance against a good defense with bad weather.   These are never fantasy shootouts.

the fact he put up quasi reasonable numbers is (in my opinion) a positive.   he kept his team in the game right up to that last drive.   while he wasnt able to get that tying TD at the end,  he was overall decent.

he will learn from this.   I've no doubt about that.

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

9 hours ago, Ray_T said:

Mahomes has been good for long enough that hes earned himself a little leniency

Agree, but we're talking about the now. TODAY, Caleb Williams is better than Mahomes. The Bears are going to the playoffs and The Chiefs will be watching. 

I am NOT SAYING that Williams is the better QB, that would be insane. But TODAY, Williams is both the better real life and fantasy QB. That's fact. 

Mahomey has not been Mahomey 

 

[jrokh 617]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

TODAY, Caleb Williams is better than Mahomes.

What are you talking about? Mahomes is 3rd in QBR at 69.5 Caleb is 13th at 53.4, which is barely above average. Mahomes has 3,398 yards passing. Caleb has 2,908. Mahomes has 22td's Caleb has 19. All that with the Chiefs having one of the worst OL in football, and Chicago has one of the best. You just say stuff...

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

Williams looking good again. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,595]

3 hours ago, jrokh said:

What are you talking about?

One is going to the playoffs, one isn't. 

Williams is better right NOW, Fuk your stats.