Shooting @ Brown University

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

A merit based system would require metrics of some kind, call it a test or score or what you will.

Of course and we should do so IMO.  But you said everyone here would have had a family member fail such a test.  Of course we haven't set that test up to even know what the standards would be, so were you just saying that for effect or what?  I don't understand how you would know given that it doesn't even exist today.

[SaintsInDome2006 780]

5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Of course and we should do so IMO.  But you said everyone here would have had a family member fail such a test.  Of course we haven't set that test up to even know what the standards would be, so were you just saying that for effect or what?  I don't understand how you would know given that it doesn't even exist today.

Well almost everyone Irish came from a shithole village, starving, penniless or near so, & illiterate. What merit would be seen in such persons hypothetically? The Irish in New Orleans were considered so worthless they were valued less than slaves when it came to public works projects.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,034]

Christian countries are better than Islamic ones. And it’s not close. 

[Mark Davis 435]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well almost everyone Irish came from a shithole village, starving, penniless or near so, & illiterate. What merit would be seen in such persons hypothetically? The Irish in New Orleans were considered so worthless they were valued less than slaves when it came to public works projects.

This is similar to the whole argument about vetting people.  When you don't have standards and you let people in via a lottery or you cannot vet them, by nature you are going to allow people in who have issues and shouldn't be here.  Whether that's the lottery, random chance on who is coming in a refugee situation, etc. 

Neither of us knows what test or process we would come up with if we went to a merit based system so any standard either of us claims would be in place is just made up.  Let's not kid each other.  We absolutely do know one thing for sure, we have three dead people today because of this one guy winning the lottery.  That's not a good thing.  You can support it if you want, but doing so says you're willing to sacrifice the lives of people here for that system.  I think we need to make a change to it.

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If an immigrant who did something wrong came to America when Biden was president, it’s Biden’s fault.

If an immigrant who did something wrong came to America when Trump was president, it’s somebody else’s fault.

Trump cult logic.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,034]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If an immigrant who did something wrong came to America when Biden was president, it’s Biden’s fault.

If an immigrant who did something wrong came to America when Trump was president, it’s somebody else’s fault.

Trump cult logic.

Cult.  lol. You think men can give birth to a baby. 

[SaintsInDome2006 780]

6 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

This is similar to the whole argument about vetting people.  When you don't have standards and you let people in via a lottery or you cannot vet them, by nature you are going to allow people in who have issues and shouldn't be here.  Whether that's the lottery, random chance on who is coming in a refugee situation, etc. 

Neither of us knows what test or process we would come up with if we went to a merit based system so any standard either of us claims would be in place is just made up.  Let's not kid each other.  We absolutely do know one thing for sure, we have three dead people today because of this one guy winning the lottery.  That's not a good thing.  You can support it if you want, but doing so says you're willing to sacrifice the lives of people here for that system.  I think we need to make a change to it.

But by the same token we have tens of millions of Irishmen descent, they have won wars for us, founded banks, & generated tens of trillions of real dollars to our historic economy. They have produced 4 presidents (Arthur, Kennedy, Reagan & Biden off the top of my head), inventors, leaders. They’ve been responsible for massive public works projects in this nation.

They also have been over the course of 150 or so years some of the founders of criminal organizations, all the way down to Whitey Bulger. Lord knows how many people they’ve killed.

Funny thing is Neves - who was smart & rich enough for an Ivy League elite engineering program - probably would pass through any such merit system.

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[Mark Davis 435]

10 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But by the same token we have tens of millions of Irishmen descent, they have won wars for us, founded banks, & generated tens of trillions of real dollars to our historic economy. They have produced 4 presidents (Arthur, Kennedy, Reagan & Biden off the top of my head), inventors, leaders. They’ve been responsible for massive public works projects in this nation.

They also have been over the course of 150 or so years some of the founders of criminal organizations, all the way down to Whitey Bulger. Lord knows how many people they’ve killed.

Funny thing is Neves - who was smart & rich enough for an Ivy League elite engineering program - probably would pass through any such merit system.

Perhaps.  I'm willing to give it a go though and see if he would have.  And where we fail, we can improve.  Your way, we just throw our hands up and let anyone in, regardless of vetting or merit. 

I'd say you're conflating arguments about an individual merit system versus banning immigration from certain hotspots of Islamic terror.  Nobody is saying we should ban everyone from Portugal. 

[SaintsInDome2006 780]

Just now, Mark Davis said:

Perhaps.  I'm willing to give it a go though and see if he would have.  And where we fail, we can improve.  Your way, we just throw our hands up and let anyone in, regardless of vetting or merit. 

I'd say you're conflating arguments about an individual merit system versus banning immigration from certain hotspots of Islamic terror.  Nobody is saying we should ban everyone from Portugal. 

We don’t let everyone in. The 1965 INA puts a cap on total entrants. Just stick with that.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We don’t let everyone in. The 1965 INA puts a cap on total entrants. Just stick with that.

The phrase everyone, meaning everyone who gets in via the lottery.  I've never understood why we want to leave to chance what we can control.  Many more people want to come to the U.S. than can come legally, we should be trying to select the best, or at the very least have a simple vetting system.

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

A real life version of Lazlo from Real Genius.   

[SaintsInDome2006 780]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

A real life version of Lazlo from Real Genius.   

Haha!!! Man I’d buy you a beer, that’s *exactly what I thought! But I didn’t think anyone would get it.

[TimHauck 3,408]

41 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The phrase everyone, meaning everyone who gets in via the lottery.  I've never understood why we want to leave to chance what we can control.  Many more people want to come to the U.S. than can come legally, we should be trying to select the best, or at the very least have a simple vetting system.

My understanding is the lottery does have a “simple vetting system.”

[TimHauck 3,408]

2 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

So according to CNN, the shooter stayed here in 2017 under the Diversity Visa Lottery.  I've argued here against this system before.  We need a merit based system.  It's ridiculous that we literally have a lottery system for this, now we have three people dead because of it in this case alone.

Not necessarily.  He first came in on a student visa but then dropped out of Brown by 2003.  It’s not clear if he stayed here illegally between 2003 and when he got the green card in 2017.  If so, he may have still been here even if he didn’t win the lottery.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,248]

33 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Haha!!! Man I’d buy you a beer, that’s *exactly what I thought! But I didn’t think anyone would get it.

Lazlo grew up to be the legendary Uncle Rico.  

[SaintsInDome2006 780]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

Lazlo grew up to be the legendary Uncle Rico.  

Ha that’s right, I just recently learned that!

[Mr Fantasy 157]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

He wrote a horrible episode of Seinfeld 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,034]

Imagine if instead of the homeless making inquires to people acting suspiciously that the police did? That would be a hoot. But alas, liberals did away with that type of pro active policing. 

[TimHauck 3,408]

Mustapha Kharbouch issues a statement through his legal team.  People like @Hardcore troubadour implying he was the killer need to do better.

 

[Mr Fantasy 157]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Mustapha Kharbouch issues a statement through his legal team.  People like @Hardcore troubadour implying he was the killer need to do better.

 

Who gives a F. He was never detained like the poor innocent guy. He was a big tough guy chanting from the river to the sea. Sometimes karma is indeed a beetch

[TimHauck 3,408]

6 hours ago, dogcows said:

As I said previously on this thread, they will believe whatever the far-right influencers put out in the early-days information vacuum. And when the truth comes out, they won’t care. They will stick with those initial fairy tales and call the truth a deep state coverup.

They are so gullible. When I saw a story of a “Made in the USA” Trump phone, I didn’t even need to wonder who would be dumb enough to believe the scam. The answer is right here.

This is parody right? right?