The Religion of Peace Strikes Again-Australian Ediition

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15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s not, but in that specific example - Afghanistan - you’re proving too much. Those people came here because the Taliban or AQ would’ve killed them because they *weren’t Islamists.

Some are as you say, but I'd also say some lesser number are coming for non religious reasons but still have that same more radicalized view.  Since their society is such,, a critical mass of those people have to believe or support that more radical system.  Just because someone tells you they were persecuted, how do you prove it or vet them?  Is it the Taliban?  I am asking sincerely because the Taliban control that area.  I don't think any of us can answer that.  In fact, our government hasn't been able to answer it, nor the other Western governments taking in refugees from the area.  They've all failed to identify the threats.  It's not a Trump nor a Biden thing, it's an everyone thing.  If it's possible, nobody has figured it out.

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25 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Some are as you say, but I'd also say some lesser number are coming for non religious reasons but still have that same more radicalized view.  Since their society is such,, a critical mass of those people have to believe or support that more radical system.  Just because someone tells you they were persecuted, how do you prove it or vet them?  Is it the Taliban?  I am asking sincerely because the Taliban control that area.  I don't think any of us can answer that.  In fact, our government hasn't been able to answer it, nor the other Western governments taking in refugees from the area.  They've all failed to identify the threats.  It's not a Trump nor a Biden thing, it's an everyone thing.  If it's possible, nobody has figured it out.

We were at war in Afghanistan for 20 years. There is a vast amount of knowledge, especially as many of these people worked with US troops, intelligence, health, education, USAID, translation, you name it. 
 

And we have identified threats.

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29 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We were at war in Afghanistan for 20 years. There is a vast amount of knowledge, especially as many of these people worked with US troops, intelligence, health, education, USAID, translation, you name it. 
 

And we have identified threats.

The one that murdered the guardsman did too.  How did that work out?

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42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The one that murdered the guardsman did too.  How did that work out?

I said that in my OP. I asked between 9/11/01 & now how many mass murders have there been by outright Arab immigrants. I wasn’t being snarky, I couldn’t think of any besides the DC attack. I guarantee you Italian/Sicilian, Irish & Russian organized crime have killed more Americans than immigrant Arabs though. But we don’t talk about that, we make movies romanticizing that ‘immigrant story’ instead.

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1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

We were at war in Afghanistan for 20 years. There is a vast amount of knowledge, especially as many of these people worked with US troops, intelligence, health, education, USAID, translation, you name it. 
 

And we have identified threats.

Yet I can give you a list of terrorists and bad actors stopped from there since the war ended that we allowed into our country.  So we don't seem to have that ability.

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2 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Yet I can give you a list of terrorists and bad actors stopped from there since the war ended that we allowed into our country.  So we don't seem to have that ability.

Just a reminder, the Afghan program is its own thing. It’s a GOP program created by Congress because of the short withdrawal & lack of planning in the original US-Taliban agreement. There have been applicants rejected as part of that, we haven’t just been accepting everyone.

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16 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Just a reminder, the Afghan program is its own thing. It’s a GOP program created by Congress because of the short withdrawal & lack of planning in the original US-Taliban agreement. There have been applicants rejected as part of that, we haven’t just been accepting everyone.

Incorrect. 

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8 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

Congrats Jerry, you got the TimHack trifecta

Show me a link, but it has to be a link I approve of

Tyler Robinson

Thanks for confirming

 

LOL

I know right?  Show me a link, but not one which shows that their parent organization is tied to Hamas funding:

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National SJP founder Dr. Hatem Bazian serves as the Chairman of the National Board of AMP, further solidifying the current relationship between National SJP and AMP.13  AMP has substantial ties to Hamas via its financial sponsor, Americans for Justice in Palestine Educational Foundation, Inc. (AJP), a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Letter-to-National-SJP-5.29.24.pdf

Certainly not a quote from "The Written Resistance," the National SJP newsletter which started around October 7.

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For all its imperfections, Hamas is a
progressive organization pursuing a program
of national emancipation and democratic
reconstruction. They collaborate with
other nationalist forces committed to
armed struggle, including the Communist
Left, with whom they coordinate militarily
and politically in their shared struggle
for national liberation. Hamas’ program
proclaims ethnic and religious civic equality
and seeks to create a unified democratic
Palestine that respects the rights of its
citizens.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F55MYJNSoFgm-NKI7HM4Wch3-iGKHFrS/view

Moderate Tim thinks it is unreasonable to think the National SJP supports Hamas.  It's only chapters!  He so readily believes anything that fits his Leftist worldview, and so fervently dismisses anything that doesn't.   

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29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I know right?  Show me a link, but not one which shows that their parent organization is tied to Hamas funding:

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Letter-to-National-SJP-5.29.24.pdf

Certainly not a quote from "The Written Resistance," the National SJP newsletter which started around October 7.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F55MYJNSoFgm-NKI7HM4Wch3-iGKHFrS/view

Moderate Tim thinks it is unreasonable to think the National SJP supports Hamas.  It's only chapters!  He so readily believes anything that fits his Leftist worldview, and so fervently dismisses anything that doesn't.   

The problem with distant links to funding sources is that Hamas is the governing body in Gaza.  So if there is any funding coming from someone in Gaza, there are probably “links” to Hamas.

Remind me, did you condemn Trump for pardoning CZ since his company laundered money for Hamas?

Looks like that comment was from an individual member and not necessarily representative of the group as a whole.   And again, even if it was, surely you’re not saying Mamdani definitely agrees with everything a club he was in 10+ years earlier does 10+ years later, right?

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On 12/15/2025 at 5:58 PM, squistion said:

No point as it won't change your mind or anyone else's on your side of the aisle here.

In other words you are lying & can't provide a link.

just as I figured.

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18 minutes ago, shadrap said:

In other words you are lying & can't provide a link.

just as I figured.

The person who throws out a claim about a statistic is the one who is supposed to provide the link to prove it, not those who are disputing it.

The stats about Black men and crime that are cited are just wrong, that's why a link was not provided here.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The problem with distant links to funding sources is that Hamas is the governing body in Gaza.  So if there is any funding coming from someone in Gaza, there are probably “links” to Hamas.

Remind me, did you condemn Trump for pardoning CZ since his company laundered money for Hamas?

Looks like that comment was from an individual member and not necessarily representative of the group as a whole.   And again, even if it was, surely you’re not saying Mamdani definitely agrees with everything a club he was in 10+ years earlier does 10+ years later, right?

Tim:  Show that NSJP supports Hamas, and not just a bunch of chapters, it's inconceivable that they would support Hamas!

Jerry:  Here are two examples.

Tim:  The first doesn't count because Hamas runs the country.  The second doesn't count because it's just an employee of the NSJP in an NSJP newsletter, that doesn't mean anything!  (I literally lol'd typing this one.)

Bonus Tim:  Surely your not saying Mamdani believes in EVERYTHING that SJP does, just because he went through the effort to form a chapter?!

Jerry:  Don't call me Shirley.

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13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Tim:  Show that NSJP supports Hamas, and not just a bunch of chapters, it's inconceivable that they would support Hamas!

Jerry:  Here are two examples.

Tim:  The first doesn't count because Hamas runs the country.  The second doesn't count because it's just an employee of the NSJP in an NSJP newsletter, that doesn't mean anything!  (I literally lol'd typing this one.)

Bonus Tim:  Surely your not saying Mamdani believes in EVERYTHING that SJP does, just because he went through the effort to form a chapter?!

Jerry:  Don't call me Shirley.

Remind me, did you condemn Trump for pardoning CZ since his company laundered money for Hamas?

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Remind me, did you condemn Trump for pardoning CZ since his company laundered money for Hamas?

You voted for this. 

 

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Looks like I missed a lot while at work…

‘Concentration of Muslims” has been narrowed to just extremists. As I predicted, the goalposts would be moved when convenient. That being said, I’m happy to see it. Any group of radical extremists is a problem; I think we all agree on that.

But how did we get onto the silly idea that Mamdani supports terrorism? Seriously…

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8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Looks like I missed a lot in life.

Yeah. You have.

 

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13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The problem with distant links to funding sources is that Hamas is the governing body in Gaza.  So if there is any funding coming from someone in Gaza, there are probably “links” to Hamas.

Looks like this is now happening with the Brown shooting as well.  MAGA found a professor at Brown who previously worked at a university in Palestine.  In other words he must be Hamas!  (Some are even suggesting he might be the shooter)

 

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12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Remind me, did you condemn Trump for pardoning CZ since his company laundered money for Hamas?

Glad that you agree with my summary. 

I believe I said that I disagree with all executive (presidential and gubernatorial) pardons.  We have a whole judicial branch of government whose job it is to dole out sentences as per the laws enacted by the legislative branch, and pardons don't seem to fit that model.

I may also have said that I don't know enough to understand why Trump would have pardoned him.  His funding of Hamas is a good reason NOT to do so, but it doesn't explain the reason to pardon him.

I was somewhat busy when that was going down and didn't dig into it, to be honest.

Hopefully you can figure out how to wedge this response into your spreadsheet.  :thumbsup: