Anthony Joshua VS Jake Paul - December 19, 2025 at 5:00 PM EST

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Anyone watching? Anyone care? Anyone hoping to see Jake Paul get KTFO?

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is he fighting a real fighter?

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4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

is he fighting a real fighter?

2nd video.  he is 36. 

 

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For the big Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua fight on Netflix, reports suggest a massive £100 million (around $130M+) total purse, split evenly, meaning both will earn roughly $92 million each, though Jake Paul teased a bigger $267 million figure, hinting at backend deals, but $92M is the widely reported guaranteed payday for Joshua.  

 

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

2nd video. 

so.... no?

first guy hes fighting in that vid looks like he was just pulled off the bellagio floor, 2nd guy looks 55. i stopped after that

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

so.... no?

first guy hes fighting in that vid looks like he was just pulled off the bellagio floor, 2nd guy looks 55. i stopped after that

Yes, Anthony Joshua has fought very good, elite heavyweights, including defeating legendary former champion Wladimir Klitschko and facing unified champion Oleksandr Usyk, though he has also suffered significant losses to fighters like Andy Ruiz Jr. and Daniel Dubois, leading to debate over his current status and legacy

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Yes, Anthony Joshua has fought very good, elite heavyweights, including defeating legendary former champion Wladimir Klitschko and facing unified champion Oleksandr Usyk, though he has also suffered significant losses to fighters like Andy Ruiz Jr. and Daniel Dubois, leading to debate over his current status and legacy

Sounds like this Joshua dude was like 28 when he beat Klitschko at age 41 in 11 rounds.  I'm not into boxing so I don't know if that is impressive or not given the age gap but obviously I know who Klitschko is. 

but every opponent in that video looks like a jobber with the exception of Klitschko who they obviously saved for last. 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sounds like this Joshua dude was like 28 when he beat Klitschko at age 41 in 11 rounds.  I'm not into boxing so I don't know if that is impressive or not given the age gap but obviously I know who Klitschko is. 

but every opponent in that video looks like a jobber with the exception of Klitschko who they obviously saved for last. 

Who did Rocky beat before he fought Creed?  

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20 minutes ago, edjr said:

Who did Rocky beat before he fought Creed?  

i'm more saying Paul still isn't fighting anyone

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No. Don't encourage stupid.  

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I recall Anthony Joshua when he first started.  I honestly thought he would be the next greatest knockout artist.  Well, here he is in a gimmicky fight so I was way off.  That said, the dude can throw some focking fists.

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4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I recall Anthony Joshua when he first started.  I honestly thought he would be the next greatest knockout artist.  Well, here he is in a gimmicky fight so I was way off.  That said, the dude can throw some focking fists.

93 million? Sign me up. 

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58 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sounds like this Joshua dude was like 28 when he beat Klitschko at age 41 in 11 rounds.  I'm not into boxing so I don't know if that is impressive or not given the age gap but obviously I know who Klitschko is. 

but every opponent in that video looks like a jobber with the exception of Klitschko who they obviously saved for last. 

Im not a Joshua fan, and have always thought he was a tad overrated for a bit. (I bet and called Usyk beating him at over +200 odds in the wagering thread) But yes Anthony Joshua is perhaps a top 3 or 4 HW boxer of his era.  He was considered the best HW for a stretch of time.  Even if hes on the backside of his career and has mentally wilted at times vs elite guys, he isnt some coming out of retirement for a payday fighter.  Yes hes a real fighter.  Bigger question is if this is a real fight.  

That was an impressive win.  HWs like QBs have a long shelf life.   Obviously not as impressive as beating Klitch at age 30, but he was still a top level HW.  

 

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35 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i'm more saying Paul still isn't fighting anyone

This just isnt correct.  Whos he supposed to fight?  Hes a youtuber turned boxer whos been fighting mike tyson or old mma fighters.  Joshua just had a HW title fight not long ago.  Its not that hard to connect the dots even if you dont follow boxing.   

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I dont hate Jake Paul.  I had no idea who he was before he started doing celebrity boxing.   He came in annoying, and you can not care for these fights.  But I guve the dude props.  Maybe he boxed some in his youth I dont know.  But he basically came into boxing and soon was fighting real MMA fighters even if they were older.  To get into a ring with limited to almost no experience vs pro fighters even if they are mma fighters is impressive.  Sure the Tyson fight was a sham, it was hilarious seeing people pick Tyson because they saw him hit a heavy bag for 2 seconds.  Paul is a good sized dude but not a HW.   Now hes stepping into a ring with a guy who was just HW champion 5 years ago who is only 36.   Thats impressive if its a real fight and there isnt some clause for Joshua to carry him to a decision. 

Im not a Jake Paul fan, nor have I tuned into many of these fights.  But I have to give him respect for getting in there.  Hes handing fighters big paydays, boxers should respect what hes doing too.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

This just isnt correct.  Whos he supposed to fight?  Hes a youtuber turned boxer whos been fighting mike tyson or old mma fighters.  Joshua just had a HW title fight not long ago.  Its not that hard to connect the dots even if you dont follow boxing.   

well i mean, it is actually correct because... as you said... jake paul is a youtuber turned boxer who hasn't fought anyone. So if I don't know who Joshua is, then you have to excuse me as its not far fetched for someone not into boxing to think Paul still isn't fighting anyone. 

also, even though i'm not into boxing (anymore), your prior comment that this dude is perhaps a top 3-4 HW boxer of his era seems nuts to me given what I (admittedly quickly) read and that supposed highlight tape edjr linked. I know boxing fell off, but it fell off that bad?  that would be my personal takeaway. 

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I dont hate Jake Paul.  I had no idea who he was before he started doing celebrity boxing.   He came in annoying, and you can not care for these fights.  But I guve the dude props.  Maybe he boxed some in his youth I dont know.  But he basically came into boxing and soon was fighting real MMA fighters even if they were older.  To get into a ring with limited to almost no experience vs pro fighters even if they are mma fighters is impressive.  Sure the Tyson fight was a sham, it was hilarious seeing people pick Tyson because they saw him hit a heavy bag for 2 seconds.  Paul is a good sized dude but not a HW.   Now hes stepping into a ring with a guy who was just HW champion 5 years ago who is only 36.   Thats impressive if its a real fight and there isnt some clause for Joshua to carry him to a decision. 

Im not a Jake Paul fan, nor have I tuned into many of these fights.  But I have to give him respect for getting in there.  Hes handing fighters big paydays, boxers should respect what hes doing too.  

wasnt the tyson fight pretty obviously fixed though?

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

well i mean, it is actually correct because... as you said... jake paul is a youtuber turned boxer who hasn't fought anyone. So if I don't know who Joshua is, then you have to excuse me as its not far fetched for someone not into boxing to think Paul still isn't fighting anyone. 

also, even though i'm not into boxing (anymore), your prior comment that this dude is perhaps a top 3-4 HW boxer of his era seems nuts to me given what I (admittedly quickly) read and that supposed highlight tape edjr linked. I know boxing fell off, but it fell off that bad?  that would be my personal takeaway. 

I mean you can just wiki Joshua and see hes still fighting elite HWs.  Hes 36 and was a HW champion 5 years ago and just fought for a HW belt in his last fight.  Its literally Wikipedia.  Thats all.  Its pretty easy to look up that Joshua is a legit fighter.  

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

wasnt the tyson fight pretty obviously fixed though?

Fixed as in Jake Paul probably carried him to a decision and wasnt going to really go for a KO.   Tyson was awesome.  But anyone thinking Tyson at that age and shape was going to come in an box someone up is just out to lunch.   He was like 58 years old.  I got chuckling again thinking about people tuning in ready to see IRON MIKE knock this kids head off.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean you can just wiki Joshua and see hes still fighting elite HWs.  Hes 36 and was a HW champion 5 years ago and just fought for a HW belt in his last fight.  Its literally Wikipedia.  Thats all.  Its pretty easy to look up that Joshua is a legit fighter.  

relax, You guys have established that Joshua is a legit fighter and not some other celeb fighter or senior citizen as Paul has fought in the past. 

Even reading Wiki i just don't understand what I am supposed to be impressed by, given the context that he is a real fighter. 

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fixed as in Jake Paul probably carried him to a decision and wasnt going to really go for a KO.   Tyson was awesome.  But anyone thinking Tyson at that age and shape was going to come in an box someone up is just out to lunch.   He was like 58 years old.  I got chuckling again thinking about people tuning in ready to see IRON MIKE knock this kids head off.  

i just remember a lot of analysis after the fight showing points where it seemed Tyson was holding back and possibly even a point where it looked like Paul was verbally reminding him to chill.  Could all be BS and I can understand your take on Paul but there are certain instances where i'd think an actual, polished fighter who is older could take him to school. 

With that said, and this Joshua guy being 20+ years younger than Tyson, and a top HW of his era, i'd expect him to destroy Paul pretty easily if the fight is not fixed. 

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Sped through the video to see each opponent that is on there.  Not sure what you mean really?  Many of those were probably in Joshua's early career.  You dont become a pro and start fighting top 10 guys.  Thr best fighters ever come in and take 20 fights before that even happens.  Every good fighters record is filled with early career KOs.  Thats always how its worked.  Some of those guys were ranked.   People think back to old days of Ali, Joe Frazier, Foreman, ect like you have.....ok now show me the 30th-50th ranked guys of that era.....if you want to see some car salesman looking guys.  

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

Who did Rocky beat before he fought Creed?  

Spider Rico - didn't even have to look it up. 

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5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

relax, You guys have established that Joshua is a legit fighter and not some other celeb fighter or senior citizen as Paul has fought in the past. 

Even reading Wiki i just don't understand what I am supposed to be impressed by, given the context that he is a real fighter. 

I am relaxed.  Im just saying even for those that dont follow, its pretty clear that Joshua is still a very relevant HW even if he past his absolute prime.  

Not sure what you want I guess.  What would impress you?  Who should youtubr jake paul with limited fights be fighting?  King Kong?  Is Joshua the very best boxer on the planet at the moment?  No.  Is he still a top 10 current HW boxer?  Yes.  If a top 10 fighter in a division isnt a legit guy then I guess I dont know what to say.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Sped through the video to see each opponent that is on there.  Not sure what you mean really?  Many of those were probably in Joshua's early career.  

I mean exactly what I said. They almost all look like jobbers. How am I to know it's all early in his career if that is what is being presented to me by the OP?  I was even being a little bit sarcastic (as a general sports fan, when I saw those other boxes in the vid, I assumed it was very early in this guys career if he was a real fighter)

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I am relaxed.  Im just saying even for those that dont follow, its pretty clear that Joshua is still a very relevant HW even if he past his absolute prime.  

Not sure what you want I guess.  What would impress you?  Who should youtubr jake paul with limited fights be fighting?  King Kong?  Is Joshua the very best boxer on the planet at the moment?  No.  Is he still a top 10 current HW boxer?  Yes.  If a top 10 fighter in a division isnt a legit guy then I guess I dont know what to say.  

I don't need to be impressed  but I guess the point is, I'm only going to care if he's fighting real fighters. As some others who I think follow boxing and MMA have said in here, it's dumb and gimmicky. 

Again, trying to stress that i would have had no idea Joshua is a current top 10 HW boxer. You've clarified that for me so I guess it gives some merit to this fight. 

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6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i just remember a lot of analysis after the fight showing points where it seemed Tyson was holding back and possibly even a point where it looked like Paul was verbally reminding him to chill.  Could all be BS and I can understand your take on Paul but there are certain instances where i'd think an actual, polished fighter who is older could take him to school. 

With that said, and this Joshua guy being 20+ years younger than Tyson, and a top HW of his era, i'd expect him to destroy Paul pretty easily if the fight is not fixed. 

Absolutely not as far as Tyson.  How much gas do you think Tyson has?  1 round worth?  The guy is 58, been through hell, body tore up, smokes tons of weed, and was washed up 25 years prior to that fight.  Boxing is much more than punching a dude in the face as hard as you can.  What exactly did Mike bring to a boxing fight at age 58 other than being good at boxing 3 decades ago?  He looked exactly how a 58 year old weed smoker to look.  

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6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I mean exactly what I said. They almost all look like jobbers. How am I to know it's all early in his career if that is what is being presented to me by the OP?  I was even being a little bit sarcastic (as a general sports fan, when I saw those other boxes in the vid, I assumed it was very early in this guys career if he was a real fighter)

Who looks like a jobber?  Because a guy is white hes a jobber?  Of course they wont look like Joshua standing next to him, Joshua was basically the greek god of physiques in boxing.  They all look like boxers to me.  I think people think back to 70s boxing and think there were 30 joe fraziers and george foremans.  Plenty of guys they fought looked much more jobberish than that clip.    

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9 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don't need to be impressed  but I guess the point is, I'm only going to care if he's fighting real fighters. As some others who I think follow boxing and MMA have said in here, it's dumb and gimmicky. 

Again, trying to stress that i would have had no idea Joshua is a current top 10 HW boxer. You've clarified that for me so I guess it gives some merit to this fight. 

I mean sure he took on Anerson Silva and Nate Diaz who were older MMA fighters.  But to take on those guys when you are a youtuber who has a few boxing fights to his name....is impressive.  Anderson and Nate both loved boxing and had hands.  Both still very much in thr pro fighting scene even if they were older.   

If you think Jake Paul is a joke and sucks, then I dont understand why you trash his opponents.  If Jake Paul is terrible and inexperienced not sure why you expect him to take on prime Ali and Lennox Lewis 4 fights into his career.  He honest to God probably fought better opponets that early in his career than many of the all time greats.  Askren was a joke because he was a MMA wrestler with bad hands.   Tyson was a joke because hes a stoner 58 year old whos been washed for almost 3 decades.  He fought Nate focking Robinson.  Bad opponent.   But why would a pro athlete at NBA level fighting a very green youtuber who was never in a professional sport be so out of line?  

Again if Jake Paul is terrible (and inexperienced) who exactly do you expect him to fight?  

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15 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

  Boxing is much more than punching a dude in the face as hard as you can. 

exactly why (not in Tysons case perhaps) I would expect an older real boxer to school someone like Paul in a real fight. 

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean sure he took on Anerson Silva and Nate Diaz who were older MMA fighters.  But to take on those guys when you are a youtuber who has a few boxing fights to his name....is impressive.  Anderson and Nate both loved boxing and had hands.  Both still very much in thr pro fighting scene even if they were older.   

If you think Jake Paul is a joke and sucks, then I dont understand why you trash his opponents.  If Jake Paul is terrible and inexperienced not sure why you expect him to take on prime Ali and Lennox Lewis 4 fights into his career.  He honest to God probably fought better opponets that early in his career than many of the all time greats.  Askren was a joke because he was a MMA wrestler with bad hands.   Tyson was a joke because hes a stoner 58 year old whos been washed for almost 3 decades.  He fought Nate focking Robinson.  Bad opponent.   But why would a pro athlete at NBA level fighting a very green youtuber who was never in a professional sport be so out of line?  

Again if Jake Paul is terrible (and inexperienced) who exactly do you expect him to fight?  

I'm not trashing his opponents... just because I didn't know Anthony Joshua, even though I generally have known the names of top boxers even after I stopped caring, doesn't mean i'm trashing the guy. If my comments = trashing then you must be the president of his fan club or something 

I get that most of Jake Pauls opponents are doing it for a payday, just as he is.  

I relate Jake Paul to youtube golfers because that's basically what it is. Good golfers entertaining when in their element but wouldn't actually make it doing the real thing. Not that they need to. My initial reaction of "is he fighting a real fighter" is because if that was the case, I might actually be interested. The same way I would be interested if Grant Horvat was attempting to earn his tour card. 

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7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

exactly why (not in Tysons case perhaps) I would expect an older real boxer to school someone like Paul in a real fight. 

When you are 58 you cant move.  When you dont train for fights and are 58 you have zero gas.  I would not expect an old washed boxer to beat Jake Paul.  At some point your legs dont move, you dont even train fot years.  Im sure Mike hits a treadmill some.  But he hasnt really trained in years.  Mike Tyson could not move.  He was dead tired after 1 round of doing nothing.  

Im not saying Jake Paul is some good boxer.  You dont have to be to beat an almost 60 year old.  But I feel most people give him zero credit.  Hes not you or me coming off the couch.  Hes been an athletic 20 something year old kid who trains hard with elite trainers. Maybe he boxed some in his youth.  Hes not just some content creator who flies to an arena to try boxing off the couch.  Hes been training pretty hard for years noe with elite people.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

When you are 58 you cant move.  When you dont train for fights and are 58 you have zero gas.  I would not expect an old washed boxer to beat Jake Paul.  At some point your legs dont move, you dont even train fot years.  Im sure Mike hits a treadmill some.  But he hasnt really trained in years.  Mike Tyson could not move.  He was dead tired after 1 round of doing nothing.  

i mean, i literally said not in Tysons case perhaps. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I'm not trashing his opponents... just because I didn't know Anthony Joshua, even though I generally have known the names of top boxers even after I stopped caring, doesn't mean i'm trashing the guy. If my comments = trashing then you must be the president of his fan club or something 

I get that most of Jake Pauls opponents are doing it for a payday, just as he is.  

I relate Jake Paul to youtube golfers because that's basically what it is. Good golfers entertaining when in their element but wouldn't actually make it doing the real thing. Not that they need to. My initial reaction of "is he fighting a real fighter" is because if that was the case, I might actually be interested. The same way I would be interested if Grant Horvat was attempting to earn his tour card. 

In short, yes Anthony Joshua is a very legit opponet for most any HW in boxing today.  Hes literally lining up a Tyson Fury fight next.  Ill just move on lol.  

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i mean, i literally said not in Tysons case perhaps. 

Yeah and in earlier posts you hinted at thinking a 60 year old washed no training Tyson should br able to beat Paul.  So who knows.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Yeah and in earlier posts you hinted at thinking a 60 year old washed no training Tyson should br able to beat Paul.  So who knows.  

Did I?  I believe I said that I saw publications hinting that Tyson held back or was told to hold back and said I have no idea if that's remotely true... and I then went on to say that even an older fighter, maybe not in Tysons case, could potentially school Jake Paul.  I can't name anyone off the top of my head but someone who stays in shape and trains and can fall back on their technical expertise that Paul doesn't really have.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ill just move on lol.  

I think you need to, it's not a personal insult for me to not have known who Anthony Joshua is 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I think you need to, it's not a personal insult for me to not have known who Anthony Joshua is 

I didnt take it as one.  But when basically googling joshua and easily finding hes 36 years old and has fought in numerous HW title fights vs the very best boxers and his last fight was a title fight ...is all it takes....

Google is your friend

"Is he fighting a real fighter" ok honest question.  

Ed reaponds

"So... no?  He isnt because these guys in a highlight video dont look like prime mike tyson, I dont follow boxing and dont even know what boxers look like"

Lol.  

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Google Andy Ruiz, he half shockingly beat Joshua the first time they met.  You may think less of Joshua after.  Even though Ruiz is a very good boxer.