Did the Bears Fock Up by taking

[kutulu 1,676]

Benson #4 over all?

 

 1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB 
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB 
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR 
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB 
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB 
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB 
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR 
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB 
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB 
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR 
11 Dallas Demarcus Ware - DE 
12 San Diego Shawne Merriman - OLB

[coolice 0]

Yes, and next time do search. I think there are few post about same topic

[yostevo 0]

In a lot of ways yes, but maybe they actually found what they were looking for by kicking T. Jones in the pants and challenging him to first win the starting job, and then perform well enough week in and week out to maintain that status.

[kutulu 1,676]

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[Portis26 0]

I think they F'd up by not picking up a Vet as a back up QB.

 

What's TJones contract status anyway?

[Denny Crane 0]

Sure they did

 

 

 

 

Denny Crane

[dreadlocks34 0]

What's TJones contract status anyway?

I believe he still has two years left. Problem is he is already 27 and you can be sure he is going to want to cash in before it is too late. I can't see this same Bear situation come training camp as this season. Benson will want to play and the Bears invested big in him, while Jones is having a huge year, has a backup type contract and isn't getting younger.

[DrJ 0]

Too early to say at this point, Benson hasn't gotten the opportunity to show what he's capable of yet, mostly due to his ridiculous holdout. Rewind back to 2000, and there was a team that had THE Priest Holmes on their roster and spent a #5 pick on a RB anyways. It didn't work out for them too terribly, and I don't recall a lot of people saying they were stupid to spend a #5 pick on RB with a guy like Priest in the fold. And amazingly, they weren't the last team to spend a #1 pick on a RB while holding Priest...

 

We need to see more...

[Portis26 0]

What's TJones contract status anyway?

I believe he still has two years left. Problem is he is already 27 and you can be sure he is going to want to cash in before it is too late. I can't see this same Bear situation come training camp as this season. Benson will want to play and the Bears invested big in him, while Jones is having a huge year, has a backup type contract and isn't getting younger.

This may actually make Benson better -- he gets more time to learn, and when he does play, he'll be more able and ready.

 

I thought Benson would be getting more time by this point of the season, but they are still in the playoff hunt, so I expect to see tons of T Jones over the next few weeks.

[Denny Crane 0]

Too early to say at this point, Benson hasn't gotten the opportunity to show what he's capable of yet, mostly due to his ridiculous holdout. Rewind back to 2000, and there was a team that had THE Priest Holmes on their roster and spent a #5 pick on a RB anyways. It didn't work out for them too terribly, and I don't recall a lot of people saying they were stupid to spend a #5 pick on RB with a guy like Priest in the fold. And amazingly, they weren't the last team to spend a #1 pick on a RB while holding Priest...

 

We need to see more...

Benson was a pick they didn't need at the time. Case Closed.

 

 

 

 

 

Denny Crane

[DrJ 0]

Too early to say at this point, Benson hasn't gotten the opportunity to show what he's capable of yet, mostly due to his ridiculous holdout.    Rewind back to 2000, and there was a team that had THE Priest Holmes on their roster and spent a #5 pick on a RB anyways.    It didn't work out for them too terribly, and I don't recall a lot of people saying they were stupid to spend a #5 pick on RB with a guy like Priest in the fold.    And amazingly, they weren't the last team to spend a #1 pick on a RB while holding Priest...

 

We need to see more...

Benson was a pick they didn't need at the time. Case Closed.

 

 

 

 

 

Denny Crane

Until you see what Benson is capable of, it's impossible to pass that judgement.

 

Using this same logic, the Baltimore Ravens didn't need Jamal Lewis. They could have locked Priest up for a few more years at a couple million a year like Kansas City did... maybe they would have won more titles with that defense if they didn't waste top 5 picks on RB's when they already had one.

[dreadlocks34 0]

Too early to say at this point, Benson hasn't gotten the opportunity to show what he's capable of yet, mostly due to his ridiculous holdout.    Rewind back to 2000, and there was a team that had THE Priest Holmes on their roster and spent a #5 pick on a RB anyways.    It didn't work out for them too terribly, and I don't recall a lot of people saying they were stupid to spend a #5 pick on RB with a guy like Priest in the fold.    And amazingly, they weren't the last team to spend a #1 pick on a RB while holding Priest...

 

We need to see more...

Benson was a pick they didn't need at the time. Case Closed.

 

 

 

 

 

Denny Crane

I actually will agree with this and did at draft time. I was one of the pro-Jones/next Priest guys here and thought at draft time that taking Benson was not something they needed at that point.

[Cletis Sakamoto 0]

They are currently in first place. So at this point, the answer is no.

[kutulu 1,676]

They are currently in first place. So at this point, the answer is no.

True, but at this point that division is an anomaly.

[dreadlocks34 0]

They are currently in first place.  So at this point, the answer is no.

True, but at this point that division is an anomaly.

The winner of the North could easily have only 7 wins.

[DaBears23 0]

Cade McNown? ...probably

[Guest Karim Abdul-Jabbar]

They are currently in first place.  So at this point, the answer is no.

True, but at this point that division is an anomaly.

The winner of the North could easily have only 7 wins.

OR 6 WINS

[swirvenirvin 25]

yes

[cortezthekiller303 0]

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fvck you coolice

[swamp dog 0]

an easier question to ask is "when HAVEN'T the bears focked up their first round pick?" i think urlacher's been the only good one in a decade.

[kutulu 1,676]

an easier question to ask is "when HAVEN'T the bears focked up their first round pick?" i think urlacher's been the only good one in a decade.

[Edifice Of Shame 1]

an easier question to ask is "when HAVEN'T the bears focked up their first round pick?" i think urlacher's been the only good one in a decade.

Its a sad state of affairs in the war room at Halas Hall

 

2004 - Tommy Harris (14th)

 

2003 - Traded down from 4 (I think) to get 2 NY JETS picks. Micheal Haynes (14th) and Rex Grossman (22nd)

 

2002 - Marc Columbo (29th)

 

2001 - David Terrell (8th)

 

2000 - Brian Urlacher (9th)

 

1999 - Cade McNown (12th)

 

1998 - Curtis Enis (5th)

 

1997 - No first round pick because they traded the #6 overall to Seattle for Rick Mirer

 

1996 - Walt Harris (13th)

 

1995 - Rashaan Salaam (21st)

 

1994 - John Thierry (11th)

 

1993 - Curits Conway (7th)

 

1992 - Alonzo Spellman (22nd)

 

1991 - Stan Thomas (22nd)

 

1990 - Mark Carrier (6th)

[swamp dog 0]

an easier question to ask is "when HAVEN'T the bears focked up their first round pick?" i think urlacher's been the only good one in a decade.

Its a sad state of affairs in the war room at Halas Hall

 

2004 - Tommy Harris (14th)

 

2003 - Traded down from 4 (I think) to get 2 NY JETS picks. Micheal Haynes (14th) and Rex Grossman (22nd)

 

2002 - Marc Columbo (29th)

 

2001 - David Terrell (8th)

 

2000 - Brian Urlacher (9th)

 

1999 - Cade McNown (12th)

 

1998 - Curtis Enis (5th)

 

1997 - No first round pick because they traded the #6 overall to Seattle for Rick Mirer

 

1996 - Walt Harris (13th)

 

1995 - Rashaan Salaam (21st)

 

1994 - John Thierry (11th)

 

1993 - Curits Conway (7th)

 

1992 - Alonzo Spellman (22nd)

 

1991 - Stan Thomas (22nd)

 

1990 - Mark Carrier (6th)

 

i was just talking smack...i had no idea how close i was to the literal truth!

[Banana 0]

I think there's really no way to know at this point that the Bears let one rip in their pick of Benson at the no. 4 spot. Some people liked Thomas Jones, but almost no one could have really known that he'd be as great as he's been this year. One thing you need to realize is that in the NFL, to be a great offensive team, you need to be either a running team or a passing team. You need to focus on getting one part or the other of your offense to be really good rather than trying to build everything exactly equally and ending up excelling at nothing.

 

If you have a great running game, it sets up the pass and you don't need an overachieving passing game to be effective on the ground and in the air (Steelers, Chiefs). If you have a great passing game, you can just pass all day and not worry too much about the run (Bengals, Eagles). Teams that just have pretty good running games and pretty good passing games often struggle to be true contenders and hover around the 8-9 wins mark (Jets, Titans).

 

We have no idea how good Cedric Benson is yet, so we can't really comment on that. And don't forget that Thomas Jones has a history of injuries. Picking Benson may have been the right move to try to get the Bears' running game on track, so that the team could be a contender and build from there. It's just too early to say on this one yet.

[Mile High Drunk 13]

It didnt make the Bears better this year. If they were looking for a capable backup, they could have to Barber, Morency, etc later in the draft

[Mel Kiper 0]

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[Skanker 0]

[football_scooter 0]

In a lot of ways yes, but maybe they actually found what they were looking for by kicking T. Jones in the pants and challenging him to first win the starting job, and then perform well enough week in and week out to maintain that status.

But that's never been TJones problem. He always got hurt - it wasn't about attitude or effort, it was about injury and dependability.

 

Remember - the season's only 7 weeks old. I'm as impressed as anyone with TJ's stats so far, but it's a long season.

 

I don't blame the team for taking a RB. Benson should come around eventualy, and it's a position where depth is a good thing. Just ask the Saints and the Packers.

[Walter34 3]

ANot an easy question to answer as many factors are involved.

 

Reasons why it was a good choice:

 

* He fit bthe new OC's system better than benson did ... allegedly

* They didnt like atrain and he was a free agent, Depth at RB was a high priority for a run first offence

* Even with Grossman, they had an inexperienced qb. Moreso with Orton. A strong run game was critical

* They didnt like BMW at wr and no other position was a good value pick for #4 overall

* No teams wanted to trade up into the high picks and they were forced to make a choice

* TJ has never been durable

* No one could have reasonably expected him to improve as much as he has or for the oline to gel as it has

 

Reasons why it was a bad choice:

 

* They should have looked more into his character and anticipated the holdout or financial issues. They did not perform due dilligence on such a critical choice for the team.

 

Bottomline is that it is too soon to tell.

[shasha 0]

First off, Priest wasn't the same player that he is in KC. He was decent, hell he didn't even start in college so it isn't like they were dumping Barry Sanders.

 

Second off, Jones has had 2 pretty productive years, first in TB and last year in CHI. He is playing well, knows the offense and hasn't shown a reason not be starting.

 

Third, you take the best player on the board, that high up it really is subjective and well, Benson was a stud in college. Jones has been known as a little flakey throughout his career and he doesn't really fit that CHI mold of great defense and pound it. Plus I think that we all know that you can't have too many good RB's, hell look at GB this year.

 

He isn't a bust yet, the same thing was said about RW for his first few years, hell Jones has been a pretty bad pick over the years, until he learned how to play in the NFL. I don't know what will happen to him, but it is not like there are tons of rookies out there winning SB's for their teams.

[yostevo 0]

In a lot of ways yes, but maybe they actually found what they were looking for by kicking T. Jones in the pants and challenging him to first win the starting job, and then perform well enough week in and week out to maintain that status.

But that's never been TJones problem. He always got hurt - it wasn't about attitude or effort, it was about injury and dependability.

 

Remember - the season's only 7 weeks old. I'm as impressed as anyone with TJ's stats so far, but it's a long season.

 

I don't blame the team for taking a RB. Benson should come around eventualy, and it's a position where depth is a good thing. Just ask the Saints and the Packers.

The injury concern is a valid point and I was thinking about that as I was typing but you never know how that may have affected TJ knowing that Benson was in the mix. Maybe he got better conditioned in the offseason and perhaps that has carried over into the season. He may have also gotten a little tougher because he knows he's running out of oppurtunities in the NFL to be a featured back.

 

That could just be speculation and he may have had the talent to do what he's doing all along but I've never been impressed by him and he's showing a burst/ elusivness that I didn't know he had. I'm just glad I took a flier on him.

[kutulu 1,676]

 1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB 
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB 
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR 
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB 
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB 
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB 
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR 
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB 
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB 
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR 
11 Dallas Demarcus Ware - DE 
12 San Diego Shawne Merriman - OLB

Anyone in the top 10 do you think may have helped Chi. more this year. Ware seems to be tearing it up, but would that have been considered a reach back in April. Williamson, perhaps?

[bigmarc27 24]

 1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB 
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB 
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR 
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB 
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB 
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB 
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR 
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB 
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB 
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR 
11 Dallas Demarcus Ware - DE 
12 San Diego Shawne Merriman - OLB

Anyone in the top 10 do you think may have helped Chi. more this year. Ware seems to be tearing it up, but would that have been considered a reach back in April. Williamson, perhaps?

Williamson was a strech at #7, let alone #4. Also they had just way over paid for Mushin not too long before the draft.

[RLLD 4,219]

I think the Benson pick was fine, though Williams has certainly shown some talent. I think perhaps it will jsut take time for him to ease into the pro level, and perhaps the coaches need more time to manipulate their offensive scheme to better use his talents. Not every rookie RB lights it up their first year, even as a high pick, lets give him a little more time.

[kutulu 1,676]

 1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB 
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB 
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR 
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB 
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB 
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB 
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR 
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB 
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB 
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR 
11 Dallas Demarcus Ware - DE 
12 San Diego Shawne Merriman - OLB

Anyone in the top 10 do you think may have helped Chi. more this year. Ware seems to be tearing it up, but would that have been considered a reach back in April. Williamson, perhaps?

Williamson was a strech at #7, let alone #4. Also they had just way over paid for Mushin not too long before the draft.

Yeah, maybe a stretch, but Moose ain't the burner Willy is.

[Edifice Of Shame 1]

 1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB 
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB 
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR 
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB 
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB 
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - CB 
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR 
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - CB 
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - CB 
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR 
11 Dallas Demarcus Ware - DE 
12 San Diego Shawne Merriman - OLB

Anyone in the top 10 do you think may have helped Chi. more this year. Ware seems to be tearing it up, but would that have been considered a reach back in April. Williamson, perhaps?

Williamson was a strech at #7, let alone #4. Also they had just way over paid for Mushin not too long before the draft.

Yeah, maybe a stretch, but Moose ain't the burner Willy is.

What does FWP have to do with this?

 

 

[DrJ 0]

i was just talking smack...i had no idea how close i was to the literal truth!

Sad thing is, they aren't even the worst drafters in the division.

[Edifice Of Shame 1]

i was just talking smack...i had no idea how close i was to the literal truth!

Sad thing is, they aren't even the worst drafters in the division.

 

 

With the 15 years of futility I posted, you better be doing the same to defend that.

[Kitrick Taylor 0]

Here's the details of Tjones' contract.

 

Contract Details

Jones signed a four-year contract with the Bears on March 3, 2004. The deal is worth approximately $10 million and includes a signing bonus of about $3.5 million, according to ESPN.com.

 

 

That's not exactly backup money, but with only a 3.5 million bonus, of which 1.75 will already be amortized, he's no longer much of a cap hit after this season. i.e. he's very tradeable. I'd say if he stays healthy he would be a hotter commodity that SA or Edge. Both of them will be older than TJones and looking to break the bank with a long term deal.

 

If I were a GM, I'd rather give Chicago a 3-4th RD pick and pick up the last two years on Tjones' deal, than pay SA or Edge a 10-20 million dollar SB at 29 and 28 years old respectively.

 

IMO if Jones can stay healthy for once this season, he'll be dealt in the offseason. Seattle or Indy may actually make a lot of sense if they lose SA or Edge.