Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 This game against Cleveland makes me nervous. Let's hope that the Tigers get some insurance in the 8th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 25, 2006 So....anyone offering setup men? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 This game gives me ulcers. Good riddence to Cleveland. And with Minnesota handling the Sux, the lead goes up to 7.5 (hopefully). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted July 25, 2006 That's why Rodney doenst close.... Nice job Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 Starting to warm to Jones. He's been a lot better since I've been home. Sux game is in the books now too. They have all they can handle from the Yankees and Twins now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 25, 2006 Too bad Minny shifted that rotation. Won't be a warm welcome at the Metrodome with Liriano/Santana to greet us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 Too bad Minny shifted that rotation. Won't be a warm welcome at the Metrodome with Liriano/Santana to greet us. Yeah, read that. Just take the good with the bad. It's just nice we got all those games with them out of the way early when they were cold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 25, 2006 Yeah, read that. Just take the good with the bad. It's just nice we got all those games with them out of the way early when they were cold. the onus is on the twins to win, not the tigers. the tigers aren't the team 10 games out. the tigers really just need to win 1 game in a twins series: all that work and the twins only pick up a single game in the standings. the twins have to play almost sweep-type ball against the tigers. the tigers just need to play mediocre and win a game here and there. i'm not suggesting it will be easy--simply that the tigers have a LOT more room for error right now than do the twins. the twins better pitch liriano every 4th-day until his arms falls off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yostevo 0 Posted July 25, 2006 the onus is on the twins to win, not the tigers. the tigers aren't the team 10 games out. the tigers really just need to win 1 game in a twins series: all that work and the twins only pick up a single game in the standings. the twins have to play almost sweep-type ball against the tigers. the tigers just need to play mediocre and win a game here and there. i'm not suggesting it will be easy--simply that the tigers have a LOT more room for error right now than do the twins. the twins better pitch liriano every 4th-day until his arms falls off. That was one of the longest and sloppiest 9 inning games you'll ever see. If I see another full count the rest of the week I'm going to :vomit: Was I the only one who was at a lot of Leyland's decisions in this game? Strange stuff. He basically threw the matchup percentages out the window and stuck with Jaime Walker and Rodney about 22 pitches a piece longer than I felt he should of. Yet, even in a real clunker, they find a way to win. :shrugs: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted July 25, 2006 almost more worried about minny then chi sox. 2 pitchers that are pretty much lights out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 25, 2006 almost more worried about minny then chi sox. 2 pitchers that are pretty much lights out Yeah, the idea of Santana/Liriano with that bullpen in a 5/7 game series is nasty. On the other hand, if any 2 of Chicago's other 4 starters (besides Contreras) remember that they are supposed to be good, their offense would make them near untouchable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 almost more worried about minny then chi sox. 2 pitchers that are pretty much lights out I agree. The Twins and Sox have near identical records but the one has been skyrocketing since May and the other colapsed after the All Star break. I've no doubt that the Twins catch the Sox, maybe even by the time this series is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 25, 2006 That was one of the longest and sloppiest 9 inning games you'll ever see. If I see another full count the rest of the week I'm going to :vomit: Was I the only one who was at a lot of Leyland's decisions in this game? Strange stuff. He basically threw the matchup percentages out the window and stuck with Jaime Walker and Rodney about 22 pitches a piece longer than I felt he should of. Yet, even in a real clunker, they find a way to win. :shrugs: couldn't believe he kept rodney in there to face hafner...but leyland's earned the right for me not to criticize him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 25, 2006 Rodney looked bad yesterday, no control. Hopefully it's a one day thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yostevo 0 Posted July 25, 2006 couldn't believe he kept rodney in there to face hafner...but leyland's earned the right for me not to criticize him. He was staring down his sheets of stats and then threw them out the window when decision time came. It was a little unorthodox but as you mentioned, he'll get plenty of latitude from me. Manage from his gut instinct, manage from the focking moon for all I care. Just manage to get em to the playoffs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 25, 2006 Rodney looked bad yesterday, no control. Hopefully it's a one day thing. It has been more of a 6 weeks thing. June: 5.17 ERA July: 11.12 ERA heading into last night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 26, 2006 Might be time to get a little concerned about a couple of our starters. Rogers: Not so much the fact he has performed poorly over the last month as that this follows the trend from the past few years of poor performance in the stretch run. Over his past 6 starts after tonight, he has had only one 6 inning outing and has given up 4+ ER in 5 of the 6, with 6 + hits in all 6 starts. 1-0, 5.74 in July (BEFORE tonight's numbers) Over the past 3 years: July - 5.62 ERA (before tonight) August - 4.78 September - 4.62 Robertson: Again, concern is that he is following the same pattern as the past couple years where he plays well in the first half and falls off the map in the second half. 1-3, 5.65 ERA for July. Over the past 3 years: Pre All-Star break: 3.74 ERA Post All-Star break: 5.69 Again, not trying to incite panic among the faithful, just saying there are a couple things to keep an eye on over the next few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 26, 2006 Might be time to get a little concerned about a couple of our starters. Rogers: Not so much the fact he has performed poorly over the last month as that this follows the trend from the past few years of poor performance in the stretch run. Over his past 6 starts after tonight, he has had only one 6 inning outing and has given up 4+ ER in 5 of the 6, with 6 + hits in all 6 starts. 1-0, 5.74 in July (BEFORE tonight's numbers) Over the past 3 years: July - 5.62 ERA (before tonight) August - 4.78 September - 4.62 Robertson: Again, concern is that he is following the same pattern as the past couple years where he plays well in the first half and falls off the map in the second half. 1-3, 5.65 ERA for July. Over the past 3 years: Pre All-Star break: 3.74 ERA Post All-Star break: 5.69 Again, not trying to incite panic among the faithful, just saying there are a couple things to keep an eye on over the next few weeks. but you only need two good ones, just ask the twins. if the twins can win with only two good pitchers, the tigers can, too. then again, leyland isn't over-throwing verlander and bonderman like kell is doing santana and liriano. mark my words: liriano's going to break down before the end of september. they're pitching the kid every 4th day and he throws a ton of pitches with all those strikeouts. i wouldn't be too broken up if dom traded for a front-line pitcher instead of a bat at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 26, 2006 but you only need two good ones, just ask the twins. if the twins can win with only two good pitchers, the tigers can, too. then again, leyland isn't over-throwing verlander and bonderman like kell is doing santana and liriano. mark my words: liriano's going to break down before the end of september. they're pitching the kid every 4th day and he throws a ton of pitches with all those strikeouts. i wouldn't be too broken up if dom traded for a front-line pitcher instead of a bat at the deadline. Neither would I. As far as two pitchers, we still need to see Bonderman perform consistently well in the second half, and Verlander himself is on pace to obliterate his career high for innings pitched, aside from neither having playoff experience. This may cancel out the Twins advantage, but it would make us the underdog against a team like Boston which has more offensive power and two aces who have postseason experience and have proven their ability to pitch into October (not to mention the likely advantage of Papelbon, even as a rookie, against Jones). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 26, 2006 the twins are one game back of the white sox the sox have got to be absolutely crapping themselves right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,595 Posted July 26, 2006 the twins are one game back of the white sox the sox have got to be absolutely crapping themselves right now. the joys of schadenfreude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 27, 2006 Twins catch the Sox. As mentioned in a previous thread, how is THIS for insane: June 10: Twins 11.5 back of Detroit Twins go 32-7 July 26: Twins 8.5 back of Detroit Man, if they didn't have the White Sox to catch that would have to be incredibly demoralizing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 28, 2006 Karma alert. Dumbass Tigers pre-game host: "He (Liriano) isn't exactly Cy Young" *waits for 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 12 K* ETA: Ordonez says fock karma. ETA 2: 8 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 12 K....huh, closer than I expected to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 29, 2006 miner out-pitched liriano. wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 0 Posted July 29, 2006 miner out-pitched liriano. wow. I said this in another post, but I want it to be official recorded in this Tigers thread: the "best pitcher in baseball" just lost got outdueled by Detroit's third best rookie pitcher. . Ouch. Reminds me of the time Santana struckout 12 Tigers, only to lose 2-0 to another certain Detroit rookie....what's his name? Paging Mr. Young! Paging Mr. Cy Young! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 29, 2006 I said this in another post, but I want it to be official recorded in this Tigers thread: the "best pitcher in baseball" just lost got outdueled by Detroit's third best rookie pitcher. . Ouch. Reminds me of the time Santana struckout 12 Tigers, only to lose 2-0 to another certain Detroit rookie....what's his name? Paging Mr. Young! Paging Mr. Cy Young! liriano was no slouch yesterday. he had his A game, no question. he had a bad first inning and made a bad pitch to maggs (who was looking for the changeup) and paid the price for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 29, 2006 Getting a little overboard saying Miner 'outdueled him'. Liriano gave up 2 hits a walk and 2 runs in the first 4 batters. Then he went the next 26 batters giving up 1 hit, 2 walks, and 11 Ks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 30, 2006 Wow, what an ugly ugly loss. Offense can't drive in anyone, botched hit and run, defense throwing the ball around. Another one of those complete implosion innings like the ones from the Pittsburgh series. Hopefully this doesn't get into Bonderman's head too much, as he is the type to obsess on things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted July 31, 2006 Wow, what an ugly ugly loss. Offense can't drive in anyone, botched hit and run, defense throwing the ball around. Another one of those complete implosion innings like the ones from the Pittsburgh series. Hopefully this doesn't get into Bonderman's head too much, as he is the type to obssess on things. he definitely got rattled (balk). but the tigers should be beaten with clubs for what they've done to that kid this year. my god. but overall, a very successful series. come on: did you see them taking 2 of 3 this weekend? the twins LOST MORE GROUND to the tigers this weekend. it's all good. the 8th inning today is one of those games you just have to shake your head and laugh about. the tigers have been on the other side of those these year, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 31, 2006 he definitely got rattled (balk). but the tigers should be beaten with clubs for what they've done to that kid this year. my god. but overall, a very successful series. come on: did you see them taking 2 of 3 this weekend? the twins LOST MORE GROUND to the tigers this weekend. it's all good. the 8th inning today is one of those games you just have to shake your head and laugh about. the tigers have been on the other side of those these year, too. Yeah, I'm not worried about impact on standings, or some kind of slide that takes us out of first. More an issue of the mental impact on Bonderman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted July 31, 2006 That 8th inning was focking crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted July 31, 2006 Tigers trade for Casey, send Shelton to minors. The impact will be felt immediately as Fox Sports Net drops the Chris Shelton 'Whos your Tiger' commercial, the one talking about his 10 home runs in 13 games, from their telecasts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted August 1, 2006 D Y BLOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted August 1, 2006 Less than encouraging. Rogers and Robertson making their miserable second half track record visible yet again while the defense continues to make mistakes and the offense strikes out in bunches. Hoping Maroth's return and Casey's bat/glove will help offset some of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted August 1, 2006 wouldnt have lost of sheltong was playing 1B Robertson is fine Rogers stinks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted August 1, 2006 be nice if mike would delete this stupid thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted August 1, 2006 be nice if mike would delete this stupid thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted August 1, 2006 be nice if mike would delete this stupid thread i forget...you a brewers fan? twins fan? cubs fan? regardless, ouch, dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted August 1, 2006 i forget...you a brewers fan? twins fan? cubs fan? regardless, ouch, dude. Nah, he is probably a Red Sox fan. Pretty sure he was the source of the legendary quote... *post Patriot Super Bowl win, Drobeski gets into a p!ssing contest with a Packers fan* "When was the last time the Packers ever won a Super Bowl?" "Uh, 1997. When they beat the PATRIOTS" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
