Chad Johnson

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Anyway, we can all agree that Chad Johnson is an incredible receiver. I have him at #1 in my WR rankings. Obviously, if Carson is throwing the ball, CJ is going to get the ball thrown his way all day. To the contrary, if Anthony Wright takes some snaps toward the beginning of the season because of Carson's injury, what do we think? IMO, Chad will still get open, and he is Wright's most dependable target.

 

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Got you looking, right?

 

Anyway, we can all agree that Chad Johnson is an incredible receiver. I have him at #1 in my WR rankings. Obviously, if Carson is throwing the ball, CJ is going to get the ball thrown his way all day. To the contrary, if Anthony Wright takes some snaps toward the beginning of the season because of Carson's injury, what do we think? IMO, Chad will still get open, and he is Wright's most dependable target.

 

Feedback?

 

Im not going to say I dont like Chad but the hype for him all over fantasy worlds is incredible to me....

 

He has scored 10 times 9 times 9 times in the past three seasons....He seems to me to a bit of a glorified Jimmy Smith...

 

Give me TO-Fitz-Harrison-Boldin-Smith-and still Randy Moss over him any day of the week, actually I would take Holt too

[Phurfur 70]

I have him ranked #3 (behind Owens and Smith) but if Palmer is not ready to play I will move him down 5 spots.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Im not going to say I dont like Chad but the hype for him all over fantasy worlds is incredible to me....

 

He has scored 10 times 9 times 9 times in the past three seasons....He seems to me to a bit of a glorified Jimmy Smith...

 

Give me TO-Fitz-Harrison-Boldin-Smith-and still Randy Moss over him any day of the week, actually I would take Holt too

 

Throw out Randy Moss over CJ and Boldin...and don't say and Holt too....he should be top 3 on most boards..

 

I agree with The CJ view....he is a little over hyped...all he needs to do is up his TD total by 2 tho and he would be a 1400 and 11 guy...

 

I have him ranked #3 (behind Owens and Smith) but if Palmer is not ready to play I will move him down 5 spots.

 

You will move a guy down 5 spots because if his QB doesn't play 1 or 2 weeks???

[TD Ryan2 316]

IMO, TJ Housh has a bit of the "Reggie Wayne" effect going.

Don't get me wrong, CJ is a nice WR but the health concerns of Palmer and the production of TJ are enough to prevent me from ranking CJ as a top 3 WR.

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Throw out Randy Moss over CJ and Boldin...and don't say and Holt too....he should be top 3 on most boards..

 

I agree with The CJ view....he is a little over hyped...all he needs to do is up his TD total by 2 tho and he would be a 1400 and 11 guy...

You will move a guy down 5 spots because if his QB doesn't play 1 or 2 weeks???

 

Did Moss one bad season where he had all of one less TD than CJ diminish him from the top 5...people have short memories

 

Moss age 29 CJ age 28 not much difference....and I would take Moss in a heartbeat over Boldin

 

and BTW....I would take Holt too ...100 catches 1300 yards same amount of TD as CJ and he only played 14 games....and 1300 yards 6 consecutive seasons....and 03-04 had double digit TD....and is only 30

 

1) Owens 2) Moss 3) Fitz 4) Holt 5) Harrison 6) SSmith 7) Boldin 8) CJ

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1) Owens 2) Moss 3) Fitz 4) Holt 5) Harrison 6) SSmith 7) Fitz 8) CJ

 

i wish i had two fitzgeralds on my team too

 

obviously arguments can be made for any of these guys. it all should depend on who else is on the board, where you draft, what your scoring system is and who you have already drafted. CJ is a stud receiver, just like the other guys listed. he has led the AFC in receiving 3 years straight (never been done before). over 90 rec in each of those years. in other words consistently high production. now he doesn't score as many touchdowns as some of the other guys, but he doesn't miss games, and he doesn't disapoint. none of those guys are bad picks.

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i wish i had two fitzgeralds on my team too

 

obviously arguments can be made for any of these guys. it all should depend on who else is on the board, where you draft, what your scoring system is and who you have already drafted. CJ is a stud receiver, just like the other guys listed. he has led the AFC in receiving 3 years straight (never been done before). over 90 rec in each of those years. in other words consistently high production. now he doesn't score as many touchdowns as some of the other guys, but he doesn't miss games, and he doesn't disapoint. none of those guys are bad picks.

 

I fixed it...I meant Boldin....smart alec

 

i wish i had two fitzgeralds on my team too

 

obviously arguments can be made for any of these guys. it all should depend on who else is on the board, where you draft, what your scoring system is and who you have already drafted. CJ is a stud receiver, just like the other guys listed. he has led the AFC in receiving 3 years straight (never been done before). over 90 rec in each of those years. in other words consistently high production. now he doesn't score as many touchdowns as some of the other guys, but he doesn't miss games, and he doesn't disapoint. none of those guys are bad picks.

 

I agree with your statement...but consistenty works for Holt as well and better at that

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Did Moss one bad season where he had all of one less TD than CJ diminish him from the top 5...people have short memories

 

Moss age 29 CJ age 28 not much difference....and I would take Moss in a heartbeat over Boldin

 

and BTW....I would take Holt too ...100 catches 1300 yards same amount of TD as CJ and he only played 14 games....and 1300 yards 6 consecutive seasons....and 03-04 had double digit TD....and is only 30

 

1) Owens 2) Moss 3) Fitz 4) Holt 5) Harrison 6) SSmith 7) Boldin 8) CJ

 

I just wouldn't take Moss as a late 2nd or early 3rd with that risk....and Brooks who can always mess up anything...

 

In a PPR league Moss is usually only good for 80-85 Rec. when healthy...I just see no reason to pick such a risky player ...with a fairly low upside from what it used to be, as you number 1 WR and a 2nd or 3rd round pick...

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I just wouldn't take Moss as a late 2nd or early 3rd with that risk....and Brooks who can always mess up anything...

 

In a PPR league Moss is usually only good for 80-85 Rec. when healthy...I just see no reason to pick such a risky player ...with a fairly low upside from what it used to be, as you number 1 WR and a 2nd or 3rd round pick...

 

Then its just a difference of opinion

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I fixed it...I meant Boldin....smart alec

I agree with your statement...but consistenty works for Holt as well and better at that

 

true, i love holt also. like i say, any of those guys are great. actually i was fortunate last year to have holt, johnson and boldin in my 14 team league last year and all three were studs. (of course I had Chris Brown and Duckett as my primary backs most of the season). so i can say with certainty, i wouldn't argue with any of those picks.

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I think the Chiefs will then win by 3 TDs, as opposed to 1.

[mggoilers 0]

Chad is just now stepping into his prime. His production has been great.

 

1300+ yards, 9 td's in a tough division having to break in Carson 2 years ago, and play with Kitna 3 years ago. It wasn't until last year that Baltimore fell off some, and he did nothing but attract attention to himself and welcome the challenge.

 

Chad is not overhyped, he has produced solidly for 4 seasons and has improved in either TD's, yards, or catches in that time. He runs every route, and demands the ball...what's not to love?

 

TJ is a solid compliment, but every great WR needs a solid #2 guy in order to be consistent.

 

Marvin has Reggie

Torry has Bruce

T.O. needs no one, Glenn should help

Moss has Porter

Steve Smith has done it for one year...we will see if Key helps

Fitz has Boldin

[Phurfur 70]

I have him ranked #3 (behind Owens and Smith) but if Palmer is not ready to play I will move him down 5 spots.

 

 

You will move a guy down 5 spots because if his QB doesn't play 1 or 2 weeks???

 

Yes, I feel it is that close at the top and if Palmer doesn't start the season no one will know for sure when he will.

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Chad is just now stepping into his prime. His production has been great.

 

1300+ yards, 9 td's in a tough division having to break in Carson 2 years ago, and play with Kitna 3 years ago. It wasn't until last year that Baltimore fell off some, and he did nothing but attract attention to himself and welcome the challenge.

 

Chad is not overhyped, he has produced solidly for 4 seasons and has improved in either TD's, yards, or catches in that time. He runs every route, and demands the ball...what's not to love?

 

TJ is a solid compliment, but every great WR needs a solid #2 guy in order to be consistent.

 

Marvin has Reggie

Torry has Bruce

T.O. needs no one, Glenn should help

Moss has Porter

Steve Smith has done it for one year...we will see if Key helps

Fitz has Boldin

 

and Moss had Nate Burleson?... Moss doesn't need a WR2, he just needs a QB to get him the ball. Collins did not.

 

CJ is great with receptions and yardage but he has not been elite in scoring and I am in a TD heavy league (1pt for 20yrd instead of 10yrds). Moss had 1005yds and 8 TDs last year and his year was deemed 'horrible.' CJ conversely had 1432 yds and 9 TDs, a 427yd and 1 TD difference (27pts in my league). My point is, a 'horrible' year by Moss is not too far off of one of CJs better production years. Just think if Moss puts up a 'decent' year by his standards?

 

I'm not going to put CJ up in the top 3 until he starts to show he can put up double digits seasons. Please keep in mind my league's scoring system plays a big role in this decision. From where I stand however, CJ is being overated.

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Im not going to say I dont like Chad but the hype for him all over fantasy worlds is incredible to me....

 

He has scored 10 times 9 times 9 times in the past three seasons....He seems to me to a bit of a glorified Jimmy Smith...

 

Give me TO-Fitz-Harrison-Boldin-Smith-and still Randy Moss over him any day of the week, actually I would take Holt too

yea every year chad is in the top 5 projected and every year he has let us down. this year i cant put him ahead of these guys mentioned above and im sticking with it. this is scary because he has the potential and is in a situation to explode for 15+ tds but i cant justify taking him ahead of these guys any more.

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and Moss had Nate Burleson?... Moss doesn't need a WR2, he just needs a QB to get him the ball. Collins did not.

 

CJ is great with receptions and yardage but he has not been elite in scoring and I am in a TD heavy league (1pt for 20yrd instead of 10yrds). Moss had 1005yds and 8 TDs last year and his year was deemed 'horrible.' CJ conversely had 1432 yds and 9 TDs, a 427yd and 1 TD difference (27pts in my league). My point is, a 'horrible' year by Moss is not too far off of one of CJs better production years. Just think if Moss puts up a 'decent' year by his standards?

 

I'm not going to put CJ up in the top 3 until he starts to show he can put up double digits seasons. Please keep in mind my league's scoring system plays a big role in this decision. From where I stand however, CJ is being overated.

 

maybe the solution is to play in a real league. TD heavy leagues are rediculous. Why not use all of the statistical categories that play into real football. I mean is TJ Duckett more valuable than Anquan Boldin? you can't say CJ is overvalued because no one else is playing by your standards. Thay are counting yardage and receptions. that is why he is being projected as a top 5 receiver. In most balanced scoring systems he was.

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Hey, I think CJ's great, but it's a statistical fact that there are receivers (e.g. Holt) that are more consistent fantasy point scorers, at least during last year. I don't see this changing, so there are still guys I will draft above CJ if the opportunity presents itself. I would be thrilled to have Chad as my WR1 though.

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Chad is just now stepping into his prime. His production has been great.

 

1300+ yards, 9 td's in a tough division having to break in Carson 2 years ago, and play with Kitna 3 years ago. It wasn't until last year that Baltimore fell off some, and he did nothing but attract attention to himself and welcome the challenge.

 

Chad is not overhyped, he has produced solidly for 4 seasons and has improved in either TD's, yards, or catches in that time. He runs every route, and demands the ball...what's not to love?

 

TJ is a solid compliment, but every great WR needs a solid #2 guy in order to be consistent.

 

Marvin has Reggie

Torry has Bruce

T.O. needs no one, Glenn should help

Moss has Porter

Steve Smith has done it for one year...we will see if Key helps

Fitz has Boldin

 

Just after week 16, CJ turns 29. That's a little late for prime. Sorry he's not 26. Get over it.

 

If you look at the top 30 wrs, 20 of them have had better career years then CJ. He's very solid. He's just not going to ever get 14-15 tds. He's not a big play WR, period.

 

Palmer threw 32 TDs, and CJ gets 9? Exactly how many does Palmer have to throw to get CJ 13-14-15 TDs? 45? 50? What if Palmer throws 26 tds (a good season) this year? 7-8 TDs for CJ?

 

He's a Jimmy Smith who talks junk.

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Can someone provide the length of CJ TD's last year?

 

Ive always thought of him as a 20 to 20 guy but Housh being the RZ target?

[Young_Grasshopper 0]

Can someone provide the length of CJ TD's last year?

 

TD length for Chad Johnson, 2005:

70, 18, 40, 14, 15, 68, 54, 1, 41

 

TD length for TJ Houshmandzadeh, 2005:

12, 8, 30, 43, 6, 4, 7, 7

 

(thanks to My FF Today for the stats)

 

 

It does look like Housh is more of the short Red Zone threat.

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Just after week 16, CJ turns 29. That's a little late for prime. Sorry he's not 26. Get over it.

 

If you look at the top 30 wrs, 20 of them have had better career years then CJ. He's very solid. He's just not going to ever get 14-15 tds. He's not a big play WR, period.

 

Palmer threw 32 TDs, and CJ gets 9? Exactly how many does Palmer have to throw to get CJ 13-14-15 TDs? 45? 50? What if Palmer throws 26 tds (a good season) this year? 7-8 TDs for CJ?

 

He's a Jimmy Smith who talks junk.

 

 

WR's aren't RB's...28-31...would be a WR's prime. starting in their 5th year in most cases.

 

I play in a 1 pt per 10 yard league, 6 points per TD, 5 points for 100 yard games and 50+ yards TD's or longer.

 

Over the last 3 years, my rankings go Holt, CJ, Moss, Marvin,

 

There was a time when Holt didn't score more than single digit TD's. Holt scored 9, 10, 12 the last 3 years. Before that 4,7, 6,6...so unless you are in a TD only league. CJ is one of the top 5 most consistent WR's in the game.

 

For all those jokers who like TJ, draft him ahead of Chad....maroons.

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I rather have a guy that is a lock for 95 1300+ 10-12 tds in Torry Holt.

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WR's aren't RB's...28-31...would be a WR's prime. starting in their 5th year in most cases.

 

I play in a 1 pt per 10 yard league, 6 points per TD, 5 points for 100 yard games and 50+ yards TD's or longer.

 

Over the last 3 years, my rankings go Holt, CJ, Moss, Marvin,

 

There was a time when Holt didn't score more than single digit TD's. Holt scored 9, 10, 12 the last 3 years. Before that 4,7, 6,6...so unless you are in a TD only league. CJ is one of the top 5 most consistent WR's in the game.

 

For all those jokers who like TJ, draft him ahead of Chad....maroons.

 

I didnt see one person say they liked Housh better than Chad ,

 

For all of those who like CJ better than Owens, Fitz, Smith, Holt, Harrison or Moss draft him ahead of them ....maroons

[ricanrockers 39]

If Holt didn't miss those 2 weeks, he would've been rated the #1 WR

 

 

I have Holt rated #1 (you already know what he's going to do)

 

[mggoilers 0]

Chad had 9 TD's last year...the WR high was 12....he made up for it in yards and catches.

 

Chad has 28 TD's in the last 3 years, and has consistently played and put up 98 grabs 1300+ yards.

Torry has 31 TD's in the last 3 years, but missed a few more games in that span. Generally viewed as Mr. Consistency.

Marvin has 37 TD's in the last 3 years, but yardage took a hit.

Randy has 38 TD's in the last 3 years, but missed a few more games in that span and catches and yards are down.

Steve Smith has 19 TD's in the last 3 years, but missed a lot more games in that span and catches and yards were great in 2005....overhyped?

Terrrell has 29 TD's in the last 3 years, but missed a lot more games in that span and catches and yards were skewed a bit.

 

Chad has played in poor to below average weather in the last 3 years during the later weeks of the season, playing outside and in the AFC North....but has remained consistent.

 

Torry, Marvin, Randy, and Steve have played in lots of domes and moderate weather during the winter months, which is a great benefit. Smith plays in the AFC South which has 2 domes and TB...nice.

 

T.O. had the year and a half in Philly, but only one winter.

 

Chad is in the discussion, and he may not have had his best year. You can't go wrong with any of those guys, but you get some give and take.

 

I didn't have 3 years on Fitz, but he's also in the discussion as well.

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yea every year chad is in the top 5 projected and every year he has let us down. this year i cant put him ahead of these guys mentioned above and im sticking with it. this is scary because he has the potential and is in a situation to explode for 15+ tds but i cant justify taking him ahead of these guys any more.

 

The last 3 years CJ has finished 4th, 7th, and 3rd in my scoring system. Thats really a let down for top 5 projections.

 

 

Just after week 16, CJ turns 29. That's a little late for prime. Sorry he's not 26. Get over it.

 

If you look at the top 30 wrs, 20 of them have had better career years then CJ. He's very solid. He's just not going to ever get 14-15 tds. He's not a big play WR, period.

 

Palmer threw 32 TDs, and CJ gets 9? Exactly how many does Palmer have to throw to get CJ 13-14-15 TDs? 45? 50? What if Palmer throws 26 tds (a good season) this year? 7-8 TDs for CJ?

 

He's a Jimmy Smith who talks junk.

 

I would really like to see this list of 20 Wr's who have had better career years than CJ.

 

Jimmy Smith's single season TD high was 8, which CJ has eclisped each of the last 3 years. To say that he is a Jimmy Smith who talks junk is silly and BTW, J. Smith was pretty damn good.

 

Its also silly to say that he is not a big play WR. He had TD catches of 40, 41. 54. 68, and 70 yards last year. Those are pretty big plays to me.

 

The only weakness I see in CJ's game is that he is not a very good runner after the catch ala S. Smith, TO, Boldin, and perhaps a few others. However, Holt and Harrison have never been great after the catch either.

 

CJ is clealy in the discussion of the top FF WR in the league. I have him ranked 6th but he could easily finish in the top 3 or even #1. Who thought that Mush and S. Smith would be the top WR's the last 2 years.

 

At 28, I can also easily see CJ having his most productive seasons in the next 2-3 years. As someone else pointed out WR's have a much longer life span than Rb's in the NFL. At 28 and going into his 6th year in the league with a young QB who is coming into his own, he probably is just entering his prime.

 

Sure he hasnt exploded for a HUGE 14, 15 TD season yet but look at the numbers that another poster put up. CJ's TD totals are very solid just not spectacular. But who's are?

 

S. Smith- Career high of 12 Td's. Next highest is 7

T. Holt- Career high of 12. Next highest is 10. His ONLY 2 season in double digits.

 

Harrison, Moss, and TO are the ONLY Wr's who can be considered yearly threats to put up the huge 13, 14, 15 + TD seasons. CJ is younger than all 3 of them.

 

Im not predicting CJ will be the best FF WR this year, like I said, I have him at #6, but the reasons given for hating on him in this thread just dont hold weight.

 

CJ is not overrated. He may get a lil more attention b/c of his desire to entertain but he is clearly an elite NFL and FF WR.

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Palmer healthy then hes #3 on my list. If hes not than hes not top 10.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Chad Johnson is the real deal. Kitna, Palmer, hell even Bledsoe would get him the ball. There are no weakenesses in his physical game and it appears the reports of him being a head case were greatly exaggerated. I can't think of any WR (maybe Harrison but he runs the risk of injury because of age) that is a safer pick.

 

Oh well I guess Torry Holt. But that's it.