Another question about religion?

[TheNewGirl 1,478]

He is posing as my bank and trying to obtain my account information?

 

 

[mobb_deep 920]

Others have addressed the rest of your comments; I'll just add that there is a difference between a president being influenced by his religious beliefs in his policies, and having "religion pushed down our throats." Opposition to abortion for instance is certainly a position of the conservative right, but there are plenty of atheists (I presume) who also oppose abortion. Nobody is making you go to church or do anything to show your belief in a religion.

 

I understand that there is a difference between the two. I don't have any problems with G. Bush ending his speaches with "God Bless America" or whatever. My problem is when he uses his religious beliefs to make decisions on specific policies. Stem Cell research could produce medical breakthroughs of enormous magnitudes. G Bush is adamently opposed to this research based solely on his religious beliefs. In my opinion that is pushing religion down my throat as well as everyone in my life who could end up dead because of his recklessness. The job of the president is to approve policies that benefit a majority of the US population. I understand that personal beliefs will always influence someones decision making but there has to be a line. We're talking about research that could save millions of lives afterall.

[JMaximus12 0]

You bore me

 

and that's just boy scouts.

 

i BORE you??? wow, witty retort. that was brilliant. sounds like something my 3 year old used to say...the "Poopyhead" defense. when faced with facts, or things you can't refute, you just resort to "WEll you're a poopyhead"...

 

brilliant. but in the short time i've been posting, its about what i've come to expect from you.

 

I understand that there is a difference between the two. I don't have any problems with G. Bush ending his speaches with "God Bless America" or whatever. My problem is when he uses his religious beliefs to make decisions on specific policies. Stem Cell research could produce medical breakthroughs of enormous magnitudes. G Bush is adamently opposed to this research based solely on his religious beliefs. In my opinion that is pushing religion down my throat as well as everyone in my life who could end up dead because of his recklessness. The job of the president is to approve policies that benefit a majority of the US population. I understand that personal beliefs will always influence someones decision making but there has to be a line. We're talking about research that could save millions of lives afterall.

 

i agree with you completely on the Stem Cell Research point. It's one of the major fallicies in this Administration, and your reasoning is correct- it could benefit millions of Americans, so why not support it?

 

Well stated point, on both ends. about differentiating between Bush wishing the nation well with "God Bless" (Clinton did it too, its not just a Bush thing), and letting his beliefs cloud his judgment about the "Greater good".

[Strike 5,490]

Bush is not the first nor will he be the last president who says such things. I can only conclude that you didn't read a word I said, or are just continuing your fishing trip.

 

Just an FYI as you continuing trying to discuss something with Edger, this is a quote from a thread where he skipped over very simple facts from the first post of the thread:

 

 

"I never read anything fully, I never pay attention to anything either."

 

So good luck with your discussion

[jerryskids 6,765]

Just an FYI as you continuing trying to discuss something with Edger, this is a quote from a thread where he skipped over very simple facts from the first post of the thread:

"I never read anything fully, I never pay attention to anything either."

 

So good luck with your discussion

Rest assured, when I respond to edjr, I am rarely responding TO edjr. To some extent I do it to clarify thoughts in my own mind, but also for others with some amount of intelligence who might reply.

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I understand that there is a difference between the two. I don't have any problems with G. Bush ending his speaches with "God Bless America" or whatever. My problem is when he uses his religious beliefs to make decisions on specific policies. Stem Cell research could produce medical breakthroughs of enormous magnitudes. G Bush is adamently opposed to this research based solely on his religious beliefs. In my opinion that is pushing religion down my throat as well as everyone in my life who could end up dead because of his recklessness. The job of the president is to approve policies that benefit a majority of the US population. I understand that personal beliefs will always influence someones decision making but there has to be a line. We're talking about research that could save millions of lives afterall.

 

Is funding for stem cell research directly distributed by the executive branch?

I thought that funding went through congressional approvals?

[dolfan06 1]

Have all of the questions here been resolved yet?

[Rybo5 0]

Have all of the questions here been resolved yet?

 

Yes, it turns out that I am now your god.

[mobb_deep 920]

Is funding for stem cell research directly distributed by the executive branch?

I thought that funding went through congressional approvals?

 

I'm not sure what you're asking? Are you saying that stem cell research funding is provided at the state level by the congressional delegation?

 

It's true that individual states have the authority to pass laws to permit human embryonic stem cell research using state funds. This is ofcourse unless Congress passes a law that bans it. States may also pay for their own research using human embryonic stem cell lines that are not eligible for federal funding.

 

The fact still remains that federal policy is that no federal funding may be used to support human embryonic stem cell research outside the few pre-harvested strains already in existence.

 

Why should the state foot the bill for research that will not only help the entire country but the entire world? By the way, California, New Jersey, and Ohio are already funding research on our own. In addition to them, Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and a few other states are passing (or have recently passed) similar laws.

[edjr 6,580]

Have all of the questions here been resolved yet?

 

One more.

 

Why do people say god bless you when someone else sneezes?

[Isotopes 1]

Have all of the questions here been resolved yet?

 

I have one.

 

Could God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ofcourse I'm speaking in generalizations man. I'd think someone of your vast vocabulary and mental prowess could differentiate between the two. Nothing is black/white, true/false when speaking about a huge population of people. Using an assumption that I wasn't obviously generalizing is just what you're using as a front to avoid the issues. Instead of knit picking my entire post for what any idiot could figure out were generalizations, try to come up with some proof of why god exists. Why are there bones of giant animals in the ground that the bible makes no mention of. If god created life and man why did he forget to mention about these aliens that keep flying over our planet. How did James Hartle and Stephen Hawking provide a mathematical rationalization for the entire universe popping into existence at the beginning of time using a vacuum fluctuation model? Have you even read any of his or other scientists work relating to black holes and the big bang theory?

 

I'm glad that you're able to atleast make the connection between the death penalty and abortion. I think we both know that you're in the minority when it comes to this issue though. The vast majority of your fellow christians support the death penalty while opposing abortion.

 

When you actually state that believers this and believers that....you post as if you are saying that about all....no assumption needed...its in your own words.

 

Proof that God exists huh? Sorry...that is something that each person must feel in their own life. Something I cannot even describe to you that I have felt throughout my life.

 

As for the death penalty/abortion...Not so sure about this vast majority. The Catholic Church, for example, the largest denomination of Christians believes the death penalty is wrong and that abortion is wrong.

 

WOW. I couldn't have said it any better.

 

 

Of course not...it was mostly crap.

 

Killing people is wrong, period. Your bible even says so.

 

Not totally. Literally the Commandment is Thou Shall not Murder.

 

When was the last time you saw an atheist in the airport handing out pamphlets or knocking on someones door to join their cult? That's right NEVER.

 

When have I blasted anyone? I just wanted to know why you stopped believing in Santa and the Easter Bunny, very religous things I might add, but you continue to believe in God? Because you're not smart enough to realize that is fake too. There I blasted you, happy?

 

When have you blasted anyone? Have you read any of your threads about religion?

 

Santa and the Easter Bunny are not very religious things. They are symbols that are used on religious dates...but are not religious things.

 

When was the last time I claimed an atheist was in the airport handing out anything?

Go back and read where I said "on this board".

[hoytdwow 202]

God told me Lamont Jordan would get on track this week against the Ravens.

[edjr 6,580]

Have all of the questions here been resolved yet?

 

There was this kid in high school that was dubbed "god" by the football team because his hog was so big. How big is god's hog?

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's true, I'll give you that. I also thank you for speaking on solely the matter at hand and avoiding personal attacks. I love debating religion as it's a conversation that none of us will probably ever have an answer for. Science is our only hope and we're still a ways off from anything concrete. I just personally believe science provides more answers then faith currently does. However, I try not to devalue anyone who believes in god because that's their own life and right.

 

The only time I have a problem is when religion is pushed down my throat. My peers trying to "save me" from something they have no proof of. My president using his personal religious beliefs to influence his decisions in office. If we really had seperation of church and state alot less of us atheists would have a problem with christians.

 

I like that the president...or any leader...uses his beliefs to make decisions...prays about things. This is not the first President to have done that either. None of which is a church and state issue anyways. Part of that very amendment is also that congress cannot prevent the free exercise thereof. A very important line that many like to forget about.

[JMaximus12 0]

I like that the president...or any leader...uses his beliefs to make decisions...prays about things. This is not the first President to have done that either. None of which is a church and state issue anyways. Part of that very amendment is also that congress cannot prevent the free exercise thereof. A very important line that many like to forget about.

 

Actually, SHo, it seems they don't forget about that right, they just seem to think it only applies to them. Or to anyone like minded LIKE tham. anyone with a dissenting viewpoint doesn't get that right.

 

"how DARE you exercise your 1st amendment right by talking about Religion!!! that kind of talk isn't welcome here!"

[Sho Nuff 720]

You bore me

 

and that's just boy scouts.

 

You are equating the Boy Scouts...a voluntary organization that is not connected to the Government with the military?

 

Wow...you really are that ignorant aren't you?

[edjr 6,580]

You are equating the Boy Scouts...a voluntary organization that is not connected to the Government with the military?

 

Wow...you really are that ignorant aren't you?

 

Right. They only say that in the boy scouts.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Right. They only say that in the boy scouts.

 

It is that which you quoted....care to bring any actual proof?

 

Thought not.