TO or Marvin Harrison? Now these are pretty SHOCKING numbers

[dragon10 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

 

 

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

[Mark_it_8_Dude 0]

Not so shocking to me...

 

Harrison - Team player

 

Owens - Not so much.

[dragon10 0]

shocking as in everytime you hear Marvin Harrison's name it's one of the "greatest" of all time etc;

[Erb047 0]

Peyton Manning helps a bit...

[AnaheimRams 28]

Peyton Manning helps a bit...

 

... as does not being a piece-of-sh!t human being.

[Big_Pete 0]

Peyton Manning helps a bit...

Steve Young >>> Peyton Manning

McNaffro </= Peyton Manning

 

So not surprising that they have similar numbers if you go by games played

[Guest Johnny Holmes]

Owens has always stirred up chit everywhere, no one like him as a person.

 

Marvin has always been one of the good ones.

[Nichee 0]

I doubt there's many receivers you could list next to Harrison and have them measure up to him.

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Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

 

What you have basically proved with your data, is that TO completely sucks.

[lennie75 0]

Steve Young >>> Peyton Manning

McNaffro </= Peyton Manning

 

So not surprising that they have similar numbers if you go by games played

I won't get in this arguement...because it really isn't one.

 

But, I don't think Young is anywhere close to Manning..at least on a statistical playing field. Neither is McNabb...I do thinkg McNabb is a good/great QB...I know a lot would disagree...but Peyton is definately ahead!!!

[hines86rules 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

So TO has played 12 less games and would need 221 catches and 1982 yards with 8 TDs in those 12 games??? Maybe I'm missing the comparison. Oh and 7 time pro bowler in Harrison to 5 time pro bowler.

[lennie75 0]

So TO has played 12 less games and would need 221 catches and 1982 yards with 8 TDs in those 12 games??? Maybe I'm missing the comparison. Oh and 7 time pro bowler in Harrison to 5 time pro bowler.

To be fair TO actually has 116 total TDs. So, he is only 6 behind Harrison. I hate TO...but just the fact that you can mention his name with harrison shows the he will end up in the Hall of Fame. Sure Harrison has been better....but it is pretty close

[brettfavreisbetterthanmarino 0]

Owens has always stirred up chit everywhere, no one like him as a person.

 

Marvin has always been one of the good ones.

 

 

 

One of the "good ones". I'm forwarding this comment to Jesse and Al.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

shocking as in everytime you hear Marvin Harrison's name it's one of the "greatest" of all time etc;

"one of the best ever doesnt always be top whatever in stats....ill take the consistant WR...with great stats, stays healthy, and a good teamate over the other guy but a wide margin...

 

And what is the shocking part?....didnt everyone know TO puts up good stats?

[zhinz 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

The numbers show that TO is the greater big play receiver. 14.6 ypc to 13.4. Nearly as many TDs while playing nearly a season less.

 

Oh, and Manning > (Garcia | McNabb).

 

Harrison is a special player too, don't get me wrong.

[sharkie22 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

 

Surprising in their similarity, but not quite shocking.

 

So it amounts to Harrison averages one reception per game more than Owens. Harrison averages just under 81 yards per game which is only six yards per game more than Owens. They both have the same TD per game avg. at .72 and Owens averages 1.2 yards more than Harrison per catch. What I find interesting is where each of them went in the same NFL draft. Harrison #19 overall and Owens #88.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

Why are these shocking? Is there anyone over 16 who didn't know TO has always produced well on the football field?

 

Harrison, Moss, and TO have long been considered the WR elite, with Moss falling out (for now) this year and Holt joining the conversation a few years back, but still overlooked.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

 

 

Come on, If you count drops, TO would have way more catches...

[Sho Nuff 720]

So TO has played 12 less games and would need 221 catches and 1982 yards with 8 TDs in those 12 games??? Maybe I'm missing the comparison. Oh and 7 time pro bowler in Harrison to 5 time pro bowler.

 

True...but I think its just that Harrison may not get the pub about his numbers like that in the manner that TO does.

 

And I am not sure there is a person on this planet that would want TO vs Marvin.

 

 

Harrison....all the production...none of the crap.

[Cuse9 131]

Peyton Manning helps a bit...

 

Marvin would be nothing without Brandon Stokley being double teamed and taking all the attention away from Marvin.

[eloerts 0]

Why are these shocking? Is there anyone over 16 who didn't know TO has always produced well on the football field?

 

Harrison, Moss, and TO have long been considered the WR elite, with Moss falling out (for now) this year and Holt joining the conversation a few years back, but still overlooked.

 

 

You mentioned Moss and Holt, Moss has 9 years, 138 games, 676 rec. 10,700 rec. yards and 101 tds.

Now look at Holt, 8 years, 126 games, 712 rec. 10,675 rec. yards and 64tds.

 

Its really too bad that Moss ended up in Oak. I really think that if he would have stayed in Minn. those numbers would be much greater, prob. around 725 rec. 11,500 yards and 110-115 tds. He's not going to come close Harrison in rec. but will surpass him easily in tds. Holt on the other hand has a shot at coming close to Harrison in rec. but lacks the tds. Harrison really is a COMPLETE wideout!

 

Now look at Jerry Rice: 20 years,303 games, 1,549 rec. 22,895 rec. yards and 197 td rec.!! Very impressive!!

Heres a look at Cris Carter, 16years, 234 games, 1,101 rec, 13,899 yards and 130rec. tds!! You look at what Carter did and take into consideration that four of those years (3 in Phi and 1 in Mia) he put up very poor numbers, 46 games, 97 rec, 1,516 yards and 19 rec. tds. Certainly not up to his full potential.

[Reality 3,121]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

 

I don't get it? What's the point? They are going into the Hall of Fame togethor?

[signature cloner 0]

I don't get it? What's the point? They are going into the Hall of Fame togethor?

 

 

His point is, that Owens doesn't have the numbers that Harrison does, and is basically exposing him for what he is.

[Reality 3,121]

His point is, that Owens doesn't have the numbers that Harrison does, and is basically exposing him for what he is.

 

Exposing him for being a Hall of Fame WR?

 

[Mike MacGregor 21]

You lost me at the SHOCKING part...

[jgcrawfish 232]

Bear in mind that TO has also missed a much greater # of games due to injury than Harrison, who has basically remained healthy his entire career. What those numbers tell is that TO is the greater talent, being that Harrison has had the benefit of the consistency and greatness of Manning for almost his entire career. At this point I would be willing to concede that Manning > Young+Garcia+McNabb+Bledsoe+Romo in terms of when TO played with each of them (Young at the end of his career and 2nd fiddle to Rice, Garcia in general, McNabb who was injury prone, Bledsoe at the end of his career, and Romo who's too green. Where it not for his overall psychoticness, selfishness, injury history and a propensity for drops, TO would yearly be the WR selected and sure fire Hall of Famer, which he might be anyway.

[Bishop82 61]

<------Not shocked

[Phurfur 70]

You forgot to include the number of dropped passes.

[eloerts 0]

Receivers in the present day that I'd take over TO and in order would be: Fitzgerald, R Moss, Boldin, Holt, Harrison and Ward...then TO

Now Receivers in there prime and of all time Id take over TO would be as follows; Rice, C. Carter, Harrison, T. Brown, Moss, Irvin, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Holt, Ward and then TO

I think Fitzgerald and Boldin are both going to be Hall of Fame wr's when its all said and done. I like the productivity and work ethic that Holt and Ward give you over TO. Production is about the same, maybe with TO a little better but the Id be willing loose that little bit of productivity and gain there attitude, work ethics and general all around persona over what TO is!

[Phurfur 70]

Receivers in the present day that I'd take over TO and in order would be: Fitzgerald, R Moss, Boldin, Holt, Harrison and Ward...then TO

Now Receivers in there prime and of all time Id take over TO would be as follows; Rice, C. Carter, Harrison, T. Brown, Moss, Irvin, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Holt, Ward and then TO

I think Fitzgerald and Boldin are both going to be Hall of Fame wr's when its all said and done. I like the productivity and work ethic that Holt and Ward give you over TO. Production is about the same, maybe with TO a little better but the Id be willing loose that little bit of productivity and gain there attitude, work ethics and general all around persona over what TO is!

 

You left out about 30 old timers that TO could not touch. There are too many to list.

[eloerts 0]

True, I should have stated in "in recent history" Either way I do think TO is a future hall of fame inductee. Kinda like with Moss you wonder what these two in particular could or would do if they had a better mind set? Then again thats what makes the great ones great, talent, work ethic and the right mentality.

[dragon10 0]

These are the number of games they actually "Started" previously I posted games played.

 

Owens 143

 

Harrison 168

[Bishop82 61]

Either way I do think TO is a future hall of fame inductee.

 

 

Hold on just a second there, remember the Hall of Fame is for the greatest players and NOT the very good.

[Road_Cats 2]

Receivers in the present day that I'd take over TO and in order would be: Fitzgerald, R Moss, Boldin, Holt, Harrison and Ward...then TO

Now Receivers in there prime and of all time Id take over TO would be as follows; Rice, C. Carter, Harrison, T. Brown, Moss, Irvin, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Holt, Ward and then TO

I think Fitzgerald and Boldin are both going to be Hall of Fame wr's when its all said and done. I like the productivity and work ethic that Holt and Ward give you over TO. Production is about the same, maybe with TO a little better but the Id be willing loose that little bit of productivity and gain there attitude, work ethics and general all around persona over what TO is!

 

now I am going to be bashed but what they hey

I assumming you are talking about real football and not fantasy because i think in fantasy football this year TO out scored 4 or 5 obove mentioned players

If we talking about if you was building a real football team i would take fitz or boldin or any other proven young wide reciever showing the promise of these two and thats just a sound football decision nothing to do with anyones work eithics or attitude

 

Know as far as being in the prime either you did not watch football or forgot but before the attitude and what not in fantasy and in football sense you could not mention owens without mentining harrison and moss always was the biggest argument. Ward may be a feel good story but ward could not hold TO's jock in TO's prime. So if i had to pick of the above mentioned names to be on my team in their prime and in ff and real football terms it would be J Rice than TO,Harrison,Moss in any order cause none would dissappoint you.

 

Everyone needs to stop the silliness call me ol fashion or what but i dont care if a player on my fantasy team cussed the coach refs other teammates got caught suck d ick in the parking lot calling his qb a choker and a ###### as long as he produced on sunmday is all that matters to me i will leave the rest of the silly sh it to you all to discuse

i cant spell good so have fun bashing me on that also becuse when your original argument losses its substance its only natural to attack another only to hide ones short comings

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

So if i had to pick of the above mentioned names to be on my team in their prime and in ff and real football terms it would be J Rice than TO,Harrison,Moss in any order cause none would dissappoint you.

 

 

In terms of real football, maybe you should ask Owens' former teammates about the whole Owens sideshow and Moss' former teammates about the plays he took/takes off, and see if "none of them were disappointed". As a Niners fan I'm glad they got rid of Owens, even if it meant having the Arnez Battles of this world replace him.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Receivers in the present day that I'd take over TO and in order would be: Fitzgerald, R Moss, Boldin, Holt, Harrison and Ward...then TO

Now Receivers in there prime and of all time Id take over TO would be as follows; Rice, C. Carter, Harrison, T. Brown, Moss, Irvin, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Holt, Ward and then TO

I think Fitzgerald and Boldin are both going to be Hall of Fame wr's when its all said and done. I like the productivity and work ethic that Holt and Ward give you over TO. Production is about the same, maybe with TO a little better but the Id be willing loose that little bit of productivity and gain there attitude, work ethics and general all around persona over what TO is!

 

Jimmy Smith?......he is an underatted guy.

[ccb123 0]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

 

 

I talked to TO yesterday and according to him, his lack of production is due to playing with QB's like Garcia and McNabb!!!!!!

[davidbostonisgood 2]

Marvin Harrison 11 seasons

 

170 games

 

1,022 catches

13,697 yds

122 TD's

Terrell Owens 11 seasons

 

158 games

 

801 catches

11,715 yds

114 TD's

I think many people failed to miss the point of which dragon10 was trying to make. And I agree with what he was saying even though I am a much bigger fan of Marvin Harrison than I am of Terrell Owens...........What he is saying is Marvin gets all the publicity for how 'great' of a receiver he is and how he'll be considered one of the greatest of all time. But on the flip side of that, when Terrell Owens is spoken of, it is for either the drama that seems to follow him (which he mostly creates) and that even though he is a great talent he may hurt his teams more than he helps them........But the fact is they are almost equally productive on the field. That being said, there are a lot of factors outside of them as players that contribute to there production (stats). Also we are living in times where the media blows stories up, and takes small things and tries to turn them into huge stories. Some of the stuff the media tries to make such a big deal of, most of Terrell's teammates could care less about, and it doesn't affect them and their play.

 

I hope this clears things up. And I repeat, I am much more of a fan of Marvin Harrison than I am of Terrell Owens.