Post game show - how much credit can we give to God?

[remote controller 143]

anyone watch this?

 

The owner gave all the credit to God, then Dungy answered the "how's it feel to be the 1st african american to win the SB, and Dungy said he was more proud of being the 1st one to win it in a Christain manner...uh, yeah.

 

First off, weren't there other Christain/Catholic/Protestant/etc HC's who've won before? And 2nd off, who the fock cares if Dungy prays to Buddah or God or worships snakes - what a load of crap.

 

Just saying.

It was one of the greatest acception speeches I have ever heard. Dungy does more then believe it.........he lives it!

[nobody 2,889]

I see nothing wrong with the speech. Heck I've prayed the rosary like 8 times just reading this thread.

[swamp dog 0]

I see nothing wrong with the speech. Heck I've prayed the rosary like 8 times just reading this thread.

 

i've read from the book of the dead like 20 times. and once when playing with my ouija board, i conjured up the spirit of vince lombardi. i asked him to ask baby jesus why he hated the lions so much. he said he'd tell me if i found him some nachos and a cheap wh0re. i told him to fock off and played pong the rest of the night. but for three days and three nights after that, my living room smelled like sharp cheddar cheese.

[Phurfur 70]

anyone watch this?

 

The owner gave all the credit to God, then Dungy answered the "how's it feel to be the 1st african american to win the SB, and Dungy said he was more proud of being the 1st one to win it in a Christain manner...uh, yeah.

 

First off, weren't there other Christain/Catholic/Protestant/etc HC's who've won before? And 2nd off, who the fock cares if Dungy prays to Buddah or God or worships snakes - what a load of crap.

 

Just saying.

 

Just like no one should care what race he is.

[football_scooter 0]

Just like no one should care what race he is.

 

If you see the other topic, my opinions are totally consistent with both issues. I thought it was a farce that the NFL made Dungy/Smith the poster chil'rens for how far blacks have come in the NFL. I wonder if being black helped Dungy land that sweet gig with Manning at QB and two of the top 5 WRs in the NFL?

 

I think it's a slap in the face that they're being recognized more for being black than for being outstanding coaches....well, except Lovie Smith since he stuck with Grossman.

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You can quote what I actually said...rather than your faulty spin of things.

Dungy harassed nobody...Dungy threatened nobody...Dungy did not criticize other's beliefs or actions.

 

Your comparison and logic is faulty.

 

No...its spot on, in your opinion. Which in this case I cannot disagree with more. You have taken to extreme comparisons that simply are not valid.

Perfect analogy?

 

How is comparing a guy thanking God for giving him the abilities to do what he did...for saying he was proud that he and Lovie both did it the Christian way....how is that the same as a history of violence based on beliefs or the harassment and threatening of women going to get an abortion?

 

Wow - way to try to spin it. The FACT is that you made the statement that dungy could say whatever he likes, because it's his forum to do so and when challenged on the appropriateness of his subject matter, you stated that if anyone was offended by them (his views), that's essentially their problem.

 

Stop me when I've misrepresented you. I'm sure you'll try to spin it some more, but you did say these things.

 

Thus it is a perfect analogy.

Dungy used a non-religious forum of a sporting event (superbowl) to espouse his religious (Christain, specifically) beliefs on a non-secular audience (all of us home viewers) and some (jews, muslins, protestants, catholics, etc) could have easily felt excluded or offended by those comments.

 

A bible thumper at an abortion clinic is using a non-religious forum (outside the clinic) to espouse his religious beliefs (Christain) to a non-secular audience (women seeking abortions) and some (all patrons of said clinic) could have easily felt excluded or offended by those comments.

 

How is that not analogous? Because you don't like the comparison?

 

And likewise, some might be bothered, feel excluded, or get offended by these things. So I can only assume because the actions are the same (preaching about Christain morals and such to people who weren't expecting to hear it in a forum that is inappropriate for it) that your response is the same to those offended by the actions - it's only logical. Thus, in your view, as stated by you here, if anyone's offended by having Chistianity preached to them when going for an abortion, it's their fault - just like if Dungy's getting up on a Christain soapbox offended me, it's my fault.

 

Once again - how is my analogy flawed? Despite your assertions, you've really done nothing to prove my analogy is "not valid"...asserting it doesn't make it so. Way I see it, it's a 1:1 comparison.

[The Hood 9]

Dammit - Why didn't Lovie pray harder?

[Franknbeans 46]

Hmmm, another train wreck of a thread started by cooter. Pattern anyone?

[GuidingLight 3]

You are all missing the point.

 

When thanking God, it is because you are in that place at that moment. You are thanking "him" for being able to experience the time in life "he" has allowed you to get there.

 

God doesn't care who wins, but whoever does win knows "he" helped in one way or another to get there.

 

I thank God every day I'm alive. I'm just not on TV to express it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Wow - way to try to spin it. The FACT is that you made the statement that dungy could say whatever he likes, because it's his forum to do so and when challenged on the appropriateness of his subject matter, you stated that if anyone was offended by them (his views), that's essentially their problem.

 

It is...of course that is within reason...certain things are deemed socially acceptable and legally acceptable as well. As in, he could not use that forum to say...threaten the life of the President. Despite your opinions...professing his faith as a Christian man is socially acceptable, legal and perfectly fine to say in that forum.

 

Stop me when I've misrepresented you. I'm sure you'll try to spin it some more, but you did say these things.

 

Nope...I said it...if you had a problem with what he said, your freedom from those words was in your power to not listen or to change the channel...nobody forced it on you. Just like the idiots who protest certain shows on TV...the answer is simple, change the channel.

 

Thus it is a perfect analogy.

Dungy used a non-religious forum of a sporting event (superbowl) to espouse his religious (Christain, specifically) beliefs on a non-secular audience (all of us home viewers) and some (jews, muslins, protestants, catholics, etc) could have easily felt excluded or offended by those comments.

 

Again, how is comparing a non-violent, non-harassing...non-anything words of Dungy to what those people do? It simply is nothing close to the same.

 

A bible thumper at an abortion clinic is using a non-religious forum (outside the clinic) to espouse his religious beliefs (Christain) to a non-secular audience (women seeking abortions) and some (all patrons of said clinic) could have easily felt excluded or offended by those comments.

 

How is that not analogous? Because you don't like the comparison?

 

Those at an abortion clinic...went out of their way with the sole purpose of harassing others. Dungy had a microphone stuck in his face by another and his purpose was not to harass you, or exclude you, or offend you, or even convert you. But to profess his faith as a Christian. The difference is simple, you are just too blind to see it at this point.

 

 

 

And likewise, some might be bothered, feel excluded, or get offended by these things. So I can only assume because the actions are the same (preaching about Christain morals and such to people who weren't expecting to hear it in a forum that is inappropriate for it) that your response is the same to those offended by the actions - it's only logical. Thus, in your view, as stated by you here, if anyone's offended by having Chistianity preached to them when going for an abortion, it's their fault - just like if Dungy's getting up on a Christain soapbox offended me, it's my fault.

 

Once again - how is my analogy flawed? Despite your assertions, you've really done nothing to prove my analogy is "not valid"...asserting it doesn't make it so. Way I see it, it's a 1:1 comparison.

 

Again...how does it exclude you? Did you not being a Christian feel as if you could not win a Super Bowl as a coach? I sure did not think that as a Christian it meant I could just because of my beliefs.

And it is still only your opinion that the forum was inappropriate for what he stated. Nor do I believe he preached about Christian morals. Stating his own beliefs is not preaching Christian morals. I might agree with you had he said this is the only way....instead, he said he was proud that he did it that way. And again, if anyone knew anything about Dungy, they would have expected to hear it from him. And further I expect you, and anyone else who felt so excluded to not watch any award show ever, or any sporting event where players will be interviewed...because there are a huge percentage who will thank God.

 

Again, you say it is only logical? I disagree...I think your thought that he was preaching is completely illogical...you comparison of his words and being proud of how he got to where he was to acts of complete harassment and violence are not logical.

 

I have told you how it is flawed...you just fail to see any other side (just like in the TO issue).

What I have done is proven your analogy is bogus by the fact that the words of Dungy are nowhere near the same as the actions of those others.

 

Im glad that is the way you see it...great for you. I doubt you have many supporting you on that though...because you logic here is out there.

[Jesus Christ 0]

Atheism's boring. It's too safe for me. I like to live crazy and have faith in something/someone who I can't see or hear.

[The Next Generation 11]

professing his faith as a Christian man is socially acceptable, legal and perfectly fine to say in that forum.

 

See, that's the rub right there. It should NOT be socially acceptable to "praise God" in a public forum not specifically created for that purpose. It is a personal BELIEF that there is a God at all and people should not be spouting personal beliefs to mass audiences that aren't there for that purpose.

 

When you thank the owner, players, and your family, they are REAL PEOPLE and everyone can accept that.

 

How would people feel if a coach or player routinely praised Satan for helping them with their lives or that they won the SB in a Satanic manner?

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See, that's the rub right there. It should NOT be socially acceptable to "praise God" in a public forum not specifically created for that purpose. It is a personal BELIEF that there is a God at all and people should not be spouting personal beliefs to mass audiences that aren't there for that purpose.

 

When you thank the owner, players, and your family, they are REAL PEOPLE and everyone can accept that.

 

How would people feel if a coach or player routinely praised Satan for helping them with their lives or that they won the SB in a Satanic manner?

 

I agree.

 

People keep mentioning that I have the right to turn the channel, I tuned into to watch a football game, I stayed tuned into hear coaches and players discuss the game. I don't believe any topics on religion were on cbs scheduled programming at that hour. Had I known I would be subjected to hearing about people's personal belief's/religon prior, I would not have tuned into the post -game show.

[VaTerp 0]

You are all missing the point.

 

When thanking God, it is because you are in that place at that moment. You are thanking "him" for being able to experience the time in life "he" has allowed you to get there.

 

God doesn't care who wins, but whoever does win knows "he" helped in one way or another to get there.

 

I thank God every day I'm alive. I'm just not on TV to express it.

 

Exactly. Tony Dungy's faith, in his opinion, played a big role in his getting over the tragedy of his son's death last year and in him getting where he is professionally. When he accomplishes the ultimate goal in his profession he is only being consistent by thanking his Lord and Savior. They gave him a mic to express what he felt at that moment and thats what he and Irsay wanted to express.

 

See, that's the rub right there. It should NOT be socially acceptable to "praise God" in a public forum not specifically created for that purpose. It is a personal BELIEF that there is a God at all and people should not be spouting personal beliefs to mass audiences that aren't there for that purpose.

 

When you thank the owner, players, and your family, they are REAL PEOPLE and everyone can accept that.

 

How would people feel if a coach or player routinely praised Satan for helping them with their lives or that they won the SB in a Satanic manner?

 

The same people who cry about people being too sensitive and too PC are now so offended and bothered that they had to "endure" someone thanking God on TV after winning the Super BowL. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

Again, how did listening to Dungy and Irsay impact ANYONE negatively? Even if you are of another religious faith or an atheist then you should be comfortable enough with your beliefs that you can listen to someone else talk about theirs for 60 seconds in the moments after one of the biggest accomplishments in their life. Especially when you voluntarily tuned in to watch.

[The Next Generation 11]

Again, how did listening to Dungy and Irsay impact ANYONE negatively? Even if you are of another religious faith or an atheist then you should be comfortable enough with your beliefs that you can listen to someone else talk about theirs for 60 seconds in the moments after one of the biggest accomplishments in their life. Especially when you voluntarily tuned in to watch.

 

So there would be no public outcry if people started thanking Satan and saying that they did such and such in a Satanic manner, right?

 

Yeah...ask Marilyn Manson how well that goes over. Talk about hipocracy.

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How would people feel if a coach or player routinely praised Satan for helping them with their lives or that they won the SB in a Satanic manner?

 

Exactly. Can any of you Christian nutjobs honestly say you would not be offended if Dungy were to get up on the podium and thank Satan?

[VaTerp 0]

So there would be no public outcry if people started thanking Satan and saying that they did such and such in a Satanic manner, right?

 

Yeah...ask Marilyn Manson how well that goes over. Talk about hipocracy.

 

I think it would be hilarious if someone got up on the podium and said "You Know I sold my Soul to the Devil for this Super Bowl Ring. Thank you Satan." Maybe Bellicheck can say it if the Pats win another one. Whoever said this would be within their rights to say it and YES they would get an overwhelminngly negative response from the public. Christianity is generally thought of in slightly better terms than worshiping the Devil but if you disagree then thats your personal opinon. We have freedom of speech in this country but we dont have freedom from the social consequences.

 

And last time I checked Marilyn Manson is doing ok for himself.

[Jesus Christ 0]

I agree.

 

People keep mentioning that I have the right to turn the channel, I tuned into to watch a football game, I stayed tuned into hear coaches and players discuss the game. I don't believe any topics on religion were on cbs scheduled programming at that hour. Had I known I would be subjected to hearing about people's personal belief's/religon prior, I would not have tuned into the post -game show.

 

[swamp dog 0]

jon kitna loves baby jesus and prays on the field all the time...still, baby jesus turns his back on him and the lions

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I just wanted to add something regarding Scoot's point around the appropriateness of the forum:

 

Michael Moore makes a political statement accepting an Oscar; the crowd sits on their hands (for the most part) and many many people come out and talk about how it was inappropriate and selfish of him to do so. And that's in a "Hollyood Pinko Commie Liberal Uber-PC" event.

 

Dungy comes out with a highly-specific religious statement and it's defended to no end.

 

Both are inappropriate because of the forum and the types of highly personal statements they embody. I believe that leaving it at 'I want to thank God/Lord/etc.' is the boundary for this type of statement in this type of forum.

 

For some reason, when it comes to religious belief - especially Christian, people give all sorts of allowances for behavior. I am liberal and an atheist and both examples above churned my stomach.

[football_scooter 0]

Too funny - Sho Nuff rips me and says he "doubts anyone would agree with my opinion" and that post is immediately followed by 5 people who agree with my opinion.

pwnd?

 

Perhaps it is Sho Nuff who ought to rethink the appropriateness of that forum.

 

Reading through this topic, the general theme seems to be

Christains: think it's ok that Dungy did this, and get pretty ruffled up about anyone questioning it

Everyone else: thinks it's either borderline inappropriate or outright inappropriate

Random whack jobs: posting only a quote of someone quoting scriptures with a

 

Yet for some reason the Christains keep telling me I'm alone in my opinions, or that if it offended me so I could just change the channel when I'm neither alone in these opinions, nor was I offended.

 

Stop me when I've missed something...seems extremely obvious to me that the forum was inappropriate - sports = religion? I can't see how anyone could possibly make the case that it was appropriate. In 4 pages of opposition, I've yet to read from anyone a good explanation for this - just reads like Christains sticking by their own and telling anyone who disagrees that we're "too sensitive" or "get too easily offended" - both sentiments intended to marginalize the opinions of those in disagreement, neither explain why Dungy should get a pass or why what he did was ok.

 

And finally, as I said before: if someone feels marginalized by someone forcing their beliefs onto them, does it matter why? I GUARENTEE that if it were a Christain subjected to muslim teachings, or Bhuddist or anything other than their God they'd be up in arms about this. The hypocracy is rampant. It's fine to talk about religion in the Superbowl post-game so long as it's thier religion. No one else should be offended and it's our fault if we are. Why does this not surprise me in the slightest?

 

I just wanted to add something regarding Scoot's point around the appropriateness of the forum:

 

Michael Moore makes a political statement accepting an Oscar; the crowd sits on their hands (for the most part) and many many people come out and talk about how it was inappropriate and selfish of him to do so. And that's in a "Hollyood Pinko Commie Liberal Uber-PC" event.

 

Dungy comes out with a highly-specific religious statement and it's defended to no end.

 

Both are inappropriate because of the forum and the types of highly personal statements they embody. I believe that leaving it at 'I want to thank God/Lord/etc.' is the boundary for this type of statement in this type of forum.

 

For some reason, when it comes to religious belief - especially Christian, people give all sorts of allowances for behavior. I am liberal and an atheist and both examples above churned my stomach.

 

Amen.

[Gepetto 1,454]

jon kitna loves baby jesus and prays on the field all the time...still, baby jesus turns his back on him and the lions

 

Actually, Kitna's personal life was in complete disarray and he was miserable until he stregthened his faith in God/Christ. Now he's happily married and respected by his teamates and a starting QB in the NFL who threw for over 4000 yards.

 

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I just have to say this original post was wack-job journalism at it's best swaying the truth of what was actually said to support one's own agenda. Yes, Dungy did credit God, he also credited his coaches, players and staff. And he said that he told his players (either before the game or during halftime) that sometime God doesn't always see you through, he gets you there, and you have to make it happen yourself.

 

Some of you anti-Christians miss the point of the 1st amendment. This country was populated and founded as a way for those persons in Europe who were persecuted based on their beliefs. You can disagree all you want with what Tony Dungy said, but he has a right to say it, so you're just going to have to deal with it.

 

If you continue to have a problem with it, maybe a tea party can be brought to your back yard.

[football_scooter 0]

Actually, Kitna's personal life was in complete disarray and he was miserable until he stregthened his faith in God/Christ. Now he's happily married and respected by his teamates and a starting QB in the NFL who threw for over 4000 yards.

Obviously...had he sold his soul to Satan, he'd have won the Superbo-oh, hi Peyton.

 

 

I just have to say this original post was wack-job journalism at it's best swaying the truth of what was actually said to support one's own agenda.

What?

 

I have no agenda. So my pointing out that Dungy used an inappropriate forum to push his agenda was uh, my agenda? My opinion was "journalism"?

 

I know the bible pretty well - where in it does Jesus say that the best way to counter opposition is to attempt to belittle and discredit them?

 

Yes, Dungy did credit God, he also credited his coaches, players and staff. And he said that he told his players (either before the game or during halftime) that sometime God doesn't always see you through, he gets you there, and you have to make it happen yourself.

 

Some of you anti-Christians miss the point of the 1st amendment. This country was populated and founded as a way for those persons in Europe who were persecuted based on their beliefs. You can disagree all you want with what Tony Dungy said, but he has a right to say it, so you're just going to have to deal with it.

 

If you continue to have a problem with it, maybe a tea party can be brought to your back yard.

 

The vast majority of those here who had issues with it are not "anti Christain". I've gone to great lengths to make that clear. Nice spin though - sort of like people who are pro-choice are "baby killers" eh?

 

Gotta love extremists. Way to expose yourself.

[Sho Nuff 720]

See, that's the rub right there. It should NOT be socially acceptable to "praise God" in a public forum not specifically created for that purpose. It is a personal BELIEF that there is a God at all and people should not be spouting personal beliefs to mass audiences that aren't there for that purpose.

 

When you thank the owner, players, and your family, they are REAL PEOPLE and everyone can accept that.

 

How would people feel if a coach or player routinely praised Satan for helping them with their lives or that they won the SB in a Satanic manner?

 

Why should it not be socially acceptable to praise God and express your beliefs in a public forum?

The forum was created to give the man time to talk and thank whoever he wanted to...thats why the mic was shoved in his face.

 

Who are you to say he should not be able to speak his beliefs...the constitution allows him those rights.

 

You see...praising Satan has not been deemed a socially acceptable thing...and knowing that, I doubt any coach would do so. also, I doubt a Satan praising coach would be hired by a guy like Irsay who was the first to mention God.

 

Way to take it to extremes and ridiculous examples...though not nearly as off the deep end as scooter.

 

I agree.

 

People keep mentioning that I have the right to turn the channel, I tuned into to watch a football game, I stayed tuned into hear coaches and players discuss the game. I don't believe any topics on religion were on cbs scheduled programming at that hour. Had I known I would be subjected to hearing about people's personal belief's/religon prior, I would not have tuned into the post -game show.

 

Do you know anything about Dungy?

 

How many times do athletes and coaches thank God in those situations.

 

If you did not know that you would be hearing it...it may be your own ignorance given the history of athletes and such when a mic is in their face after a big win.

[Grind 0]

So there would be no public outcry if people started thanking Satan and saying that they did such and such in a Satanic manner, right?

 

Yeah...ask Marilyn Manson how well that goes over. Talk about hipocracy.

 

I don't think anyone in this four page post has stated that there wouldn't be a public outcry if people started thanking Satan. I've read every post and no one has stated this wouldn't "raise the feathers" of Christian groups and such. If one objects to any message, it is well within their right to express those rejections. In regard to Marilyn Manson, it is anyone's right to buy or not buy his CD's. The fact of this arguement is that Tony Dungy had every right to express his Christian beliefs the way he did. That is fact, which is exactly why our country is what it is. He shouldn't have and didn't get put in jail for making the statements he made. Argue what you want, but what Tony Dungy did was strictly identify a personal or individual belief. I've seen people on this board try to use the word "force" when referencing what Dungy did. I invite those individuals to look up the definition of "force" in the dictionary. After doing so, please provide an arguement of how Dungy "forced" his belief on anyone.

 

Exactly. Can any of you Christian nutjobs honestly say you would not be offended if Dungy were to get up on the podium and thank Satan?

 

 

Hell no, I wouldn't be offended. I wouldn't agree either. Big, big, HUGE difference between agreeing with one's statements or beliefs and being offended.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Exactly. Can any of you Christian nutjobs honestly say you would not be offended if Dungy were to get up on the podium and thank Satan?

 

Why would I be offended?

 

What would it do to me?

 

How would it change my beliefs and what I feel?

 

Easy answer...I wouldnt be...it would do nothing to affect me...it would not change what I believe and my faith whatsoever.

[Grind 0]

I think it would be hilarious if someone got up on the podium and said "You Know I sold my Soul to the Devil for this Super Bowl Ring. Thank you Satan." Maybe Bellicheck can say it if the Pats win another one. Whoever said this would be within their rights to say it and YES they would get an overwhelminngly negative response from the public. Christianity is generally thought of in slightly better terms than worshiping the Devil but if you disagree then thats your personal opinon. We have freedom of speech in this country but we dont have freedom from the social consequences.

 

And last time I checked Marilyn Manson is doing ok for himself.

 

It appears someone gets it. I just don't understand why a lot of people don't get it. Anyone can worship Satan and rightfully express his/her belief in Satan. Dungy did the opposite. In the big picture, both would be ok to do so. Now the public may feel differently towards each, but it would be ok none the less. What is so hard to understand about this?

 

I just wanted to add something regarding Scoot's point around the appropriateness of the forum:

 

Michael Moore makes a political statement accepting an Oscar; the crowd sits on their hands (for the most part) and many many people come out and talk about how it was inappropriate and selfish of him to do so. And that's in a "Hollyood Pinko Commie Liberal Uber-PC" event.

 

Dungy comes out with a highly-specific religious statement and it's defended to no end.

 

Both are inappropriate because of the forum and the types of highly personal statements they embody. I believe that leaving it at 'I want to thank God/Lord/etc.' is the boundary for this type of statement in this type of forum.

 

For some reason, when it comes to religious belief - especially Christian, people give all sorts of allowances for behavior. I am liberal and an atheist and both examples above churned my stomach.

 

Again, there is a big difference between agreeing with a statement of belief and the right of an individual to make such statements of belief. I was probably one of those people who bashed Micheal Moore and to this day don't really like the guy. Was I offended by what he said or says? No. I don't agree with it. Can he say what he thinks. Sure. Go ahead.

[football_scooter 0]

Here's a perfect demonstration of why Tony Dungy was in an inappropriate forum for what he did:

 

Go start a topic here in the Main Forum of FFToday. Title it, "praise be to the Christain God and all His glory!"

 

In the subject body, post only 4 sets of scriptures. You choose.

 

 

See how quickly it gets locked/deleted.

 

 

That should tell you all you need to know about this entire subject, and whether it was appropriate of Dungy in a microcosm.

 

Go!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just won this topic. You can all go now.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Too funny - Sho Nuff rips me and says he "doubts anyone would agree with my opinion" and that post is immediately followed by 5 people who agree with my opinion.

pwnd?

 

Way to put words in quotes...and then misquote me.

 

I said "I doubt you have many supporting you on that though"

 

Do you need a lesson in reading comprehension...or just a simple cut and paste class?

 

 

Perhaps it is Sho Nuff who ought to rethink the appropriateness of that forum.

Because 5 people out of the thousands registered on this board agree with you?

 

Reading through this topic, the general theme seems to be

Christains: think it's ok that Dungy did this, and get pretty ruffled up about anyone questioning it

Everyone else: thinks it's either borderline inappropriate or outright inappropriate

Random whack jobs: posting only a quote of someone quoting scriptures with a

 

More spin spin spin.

Seems like you get awfully ruffled if anyone questions your opinion or calls into question your logic and analogies...and that you got ruffled up enough to post this thread just by the words of a coach who is a known Christian.

 

Everyone else? 5 people is everyone else? The majority here believe it was fine...

 

Yet for some reason the Christains keep telling me I'm alone in my opinions, or that if it offended me so I could just change the channel when I'm neither alone in these opinions, nor was I offended.

 

I believe I might have been the first one to say that not many agree with you. There may have been others...but who is telling you that you are alone.

 

It may not have "offended" you...but you said on the first page that it bothered you...and it obviously got enough under your skin for you to go on this long about it.

 

Stop me when I've missed something

 

I will stop you when you actually get the facts straight for once.

 

...seems extremely obvious to me that the forum was inappropriate - sports = religion? I can't see how anyone could possibly make the case that it was appropriate. In 4 pages of opposition, I've yet to read from anyone a good explanation for this - just reads like Christains sticking by their own and telling anyone who disagrees that we're "too sensitive" or "get too easily offended" - both sentiments intended to marginalize the opinions of those in disagreement, neither explain why Dungy should get a pass or why what he did was ok.

 

Seems obvious to me the man earned the right to say what he wants. And that a podium after the game is the time to thank whoever you believe got you there. Whether it is family, ownership, God....its up to the person. And time after time people are given that opportunity...why should it be different now for Dungy?

 

A good explanation for it? Simple...it is his right, based on the constitution of the United States of America to believe what he wants...and given the rights to freedom of speech granted in that same document...that when the network handed him the mic, they agreed to let the man talk.

 

And yet, by your very starting this thread and disagreeing with the forum, you are trying to marginalize my opinion that it was just fine. And we have given you many reasons why it was ok...you simply do not agree with them, nor do you accept them.

 

Thank you for posting and proving your hypocrisy.

 

 

And finally, as I said before: if someone feels marginalized by someone forcing their beliefs onto them, does it matter why? I GUARENTEE that if it were a Christain subjected to muslim teachings, or Bhuddist or anything other than their God they'd be up in arms about this. The hypocracy is rampant. It's fine to talk about religion in the Superbowl post-game so long as it's thier religion. No one else should be offended and it's our fault if we are. Why does this not surprise me in the slightest?

Amen.

 

How did he force his beliefs on to you? You have never answered this question.

How did him saying he was proud of doing it in the Christian way force anything on you? How do you get from that to your statements that he implied it was the only way to do it?

No...I have had Muslims and Jewish men in our church to teach us about those faiths as well...it does not affend me to hear others profess their beliefs...nor have I ever felt it was forced on me.

 

Hypocrisy? Because you claim to know the reaction of people if something else was said? Please.

[Jesus Christ 0]

 

Do you know anything about Dungy?

 

How many times do athletes and coaches thank God in those situations.

 

If you did not know that you would be hearing it...it may be your own ignorance given the history of athletes and such when a mic is in their face after a big win.

 

So now people should assume what people are going to say???

 

also, speaking of "after a big win" where are these people after a loss??

[Gepetto 1,454]

Obviously...had he sold his soul to Satan, he'd have won the Superbo-oh, hi Peyton.

What?

 

I have no agenda. So my pointing out that Dungy used an inappropriate forum to push his agenda was uh, my agenda? My opinion was "journalism"?

 

I know the bible pretty well - where in it does Jesus say that the best way to counter opposition is to attempt to belittle and discredit them?

The vast majority of those here who had issues with it are not "anti Christain". I've gone to great lengths to make that clear. Nice spin though - sort of like people who are pro-choice are "baby killers" eh?

 

Gotta love extremists. Way to expose yourself.

 

Well considering the second part of your headline says that Dungy only credits God, and in fact he credited his staff, his players, and told his players they have to make it happen themselves, it seems you twisted the truth, to be polite.

 

Oh, I'm hardly an extremist. But way to completely sterotype me on such limited information and read things the way you want them to read. It's what you do.

[Parja 0]

Hell no, I wouldn't be offended. I wouldn't agree either. Big, big, HUGE difference between agreeing with one's statements or beliefs and being offended.

 

You can honestly say that you wouldn't at least say something like, "Whoa, I can't believe he said that!"?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Reading through this topic, the general theme seems to be

Christains: think it's ok that Dungy did this, and get pretty ruffled up about anyone questioning it

Everyone else: thinks it's either borderline inappropriate or outright inappropriate

Random whack jobs: posting only a quote of someone quoting scriptures with a

 

Yet for some reason the Christains keep telling me I'm alone in my opinions, or that if it offended me so I could just change the channel when I'm neither alone in these opinions, nor was I offended.

 

Stop me when I've missed something...seems extremely obvious to me that the forum was inappropriate - sports = religion? I can't see how anyone could possibly make the case that it was appropriate. In 4 pages of opposition, I've yet to read from anyone a good explanation for this - just reads like Christains sticking by their own and telling anyone who disagrees that we're "too sensitive" or "get too easily offended" - both sentiments intended to marginalize the opinions of those in disagreement, neither explain why Dungy should get a pass or why what he did was ok.

 

And finally, as I said before: if someone feels marginalized by someone forcing their beliefs onto them, does it matter why? I GUARENTEE that if it were a Christain subjected to muslim teachings, or Bhuddist or anything other than their God they'd be up in arms about this. The hypocracy is rampant. It's fine to talk about religion in the Superbowl post-game so long as it's thier religion. No one else should be offended and it's our fault if we are. Why does this not surprise me in the slightest?

 

You seem to like to argue more than anything else.

 

I'm willing to agree with you that it was inappropriate. I've mentioned that before.....however, it happens all the time with famous people so I've grown thicker skin and barely even acknowledge it.

 

And as far as someone forcing their beliefs on me.....hell yes I'd up in arms. But I haven't witnessed anything like that and I doubt you have either. You aren't forced to believe anything in this country. I think you're being melodramatic and it's probably just because you like to rile everyone up.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

So now people should assume what people are going to say???

 

also, speaking of "after a big win" where are these people after a loss??

 

People should know that athletes and celebrities/musicians...and so on...thank God all of the time.

 

And Dungy is widely known as a devout Christian.

 

After the big win you expect someone to thank God and their family for getting them to the loss?

 

Not just the God part...but even just family, coaches...and so on. No, you just don't see it.

 

 

 

You can honestly say that you wouldn't at least say something like, "Whoa, I can't believe he said that!"?

 

Sure..I would say something like that.

 

Is that the same as starting a 4 page thread bashing him for saying it?

Or bashing anyone for thinking it was ok for him to say it?

 

I would say I could not believe it because of the social implications...and because of Irsay thanking God...I just doubt he is going to hire a satanic coach...

[Grind 0]

You can honestly say that you wouldn't at least say something like, "Whoa, I can't believe he said that!"?

 

 

How does stating "Who, I can't believe he said that?" equate to he has no right to say that? Guess you would have to equate the two for me. To answer your question, I would probably state those exact words if someone praised satan for their success. Your point??? I can't honestly say that someone is forcing satan on me simply by professing their belief in satan.

[The Next Generation 11]

Why should it not be socially acceptable to praise God and express your beliefs in a public forum?

The forum was created to give the man time to talk and thank whoever he wanted to...thats why the mic was shoved in his face.

 

Who are you to say he should not be able to speak his beliefs...the constitution allows him those rights.

 

You see...praising Satan has not been deemed a socially acceptable thing...and knowing that, I doubt any coach would do so. also, I doubt a Satan praising coach would be hired by a guy like Irsay who was the first to mention God.

 

Way to take it to extremes and ridiculous examples...though not nearly as off the deep end as scooter.

 

Because to me praising God is as rediculous and extreme as praising Satan, the Easter Bunny, or Johhny Sock-o's Flying Robot. And that's why I said it shouldn't be socially acceptable. Of course he has the "right" to do it, no one ever said he didn't have the "right".

 

You're proving my point here:

 

You see...praising Satan has not been deemed a socially acceptable thing...and knowing that, I doubt any coach would do so.

 

So, some things are OK to say some aren't.

[Grind 0]

You seem to like to argue more than anything else.

 

I'm willing to agree with you that it was inappropriate. I've mentioned that before.....however, it happens all the time with famous people so I've grown thicker skin and barely even acknowledge it.

 

And as far as someone forcing their beliefs on me.....hell yes I'd up in arms. But I haven't witnessed anything like that and I doubt you have either. You aren't forced to believe anything in this country. I think you're being melodramatic and it's probably just because you like to rile everyone up.

 

 

Another person that gets it.

[Gepetto 1,454]

Here's a perfect demonstration of why Tony Dungy was in an inappropriate forum for what he did:

 

Go start a topic here in the Main Forum of FFToday. Title it, "praise be to the Christain God and all His glory!"

 

In the subject body, post only 4 sets of scriptures. You choose.

See how quickly it gets locked/deleted.

That should tell you all you need to know about this entire subject, and whether it was appropriate of Dungy in a microcosm.

 

Go!

I just won this topic. You can all go now.

 

Actually, this is a fantasy football forum and you're not discussing fantasy football, yet it wasn't locked.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

How you think Muslims felt about that? You do realize that the Superbowl is among the most widely broadcasted television event, right? What if some Muslim sees that, gets offended and uses it as an excuse to blow up a schoolbus. How you feel about Dungy's right to say whatever he wants in a time of joy now?

.

 

I had to go back to this...

I think those Muslims that would care, and would blow up a school bus...would do so no matter what Dungy said.

 

You really think Osama was watching...and thinking...I was not going to blow up America again...but damn that infidel Dungy...now I will get you USA...next bomb is headed for Indy.

 

 

no...you have not gone to extremes...

 

Because to me praising God is as rediculous and extreme as praising Satan, the Easter Bunny, or Johhny Sock-o's Flying Robot. And that's why I said it shouldn't be socially acceptable. Of course he has the "right" to do it, no one ever said he didn't have the "right".

 

You're proving my point here:

So, some things are OK to say some aren't.

 

To you...again, like Football...who are you two to decide if it is acceptable?

 

And yes...some here have said he should not have the right to say it.

 

 

No...some things are considered acceptable to society...being that a majority of people believe in higher power and in this country are christian...it is acceptable.

 

but some things would not be considered acceptable...not just praising Satan...while I have no problem with it..

But also things that are not deemed acceptable...like cursing and such on the air.

[The Next Generation 11]

How does stating "Who, I can't believe he said that?" equate to he has no right to say that? Guess you would have to equate the two for me. To answer your question, I would probably state those exact words if someone praised satan for their success. Your point??? I can't honestly say that someone is forcing satan on me simply by professing their belief in satan.

 

If it was said everytime a high-profile public figure had a microphone in his face you would. And, if you wouldn't I would venture to guess that you would have an issue with it if your kids were always subjected to those statements.

 

Picture this, kids everywhere watching the SB then in the post-game they hear the owner and coach give credit and thanks to Satan. Take it a step further, everytime you see an interview with a high-profile athelete he thanks Satan. Take it even a step further, everytime you drive down the street you see a monument to Satan. How would that make you feel?

 

We have the right to do all of those things but THEY'RE NOT SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE. So, why shoud it be socially acceptable for people to constantly praise God when we are a society where people don't all believe in a God or even if we do it may not be the Christian God. If praising Satan isn't socially acceptable than neither should praising God be.