My Frontrunner: Guilliani

[wiffleball 4,789]

Admittedly, I don't know much about him or his platform right now, but I think he's my frontrunner right now.

 

He's a pro-life Republican - That's not my litmus test - I'm not going to be having an abortion anytime soon. But, I like the fact that (unlike McCain), he's not going to be bullied by the Right Wing Religous Zealots that Bush catered too (a weekly phone call with Ted Faagard? WTF?).

 

He's also intelligent and articulate. THAT'D be nice to have in the WH again. He's actually argued in front of the Supreme Court. Bush probably thinks the Supreme Court is a really big basketball arena. It would be nice to have a guy who actually has some intelligence leading our country.

 

He's a former prosecutor. Like that.

 

The way he handled 9/11 was impressive. I'm pretty sure he'd do a better job with say - Katrina - than Bush has.

 

I don't know how well he'd do internationally. I think Biden would probably be better at that. But, I know he'd be an upgrade over Bush. Of course, an actual 'bush' would be an upgrade over Bush... Rudy doesn't seem like the kind of guy to take any crap from anybody - I'm fine with that. Biden might be better liked, but Rudy would be more effective.

 

There's still a lot I need to learn about the guy. Those of you for or against him - Why?

[Snoopy1 0]

Admittedly, I don't know much about him or his platform right now, but I think he's my frontrunner right now.

 

He's a pro-life Republican - That's not my litmus test - I'm not going to be having an abortion anytime soon. But, I like the fact that (unlike McCain), he's not going to be bullied by the Right Wing Religous Zealots that Bush catered too (a weekly phone call with Ted Faagard? WTF?).

 

He's also intelligent and articulate. THAT'D be nice to have in the WH again. He's actually argued in front of the Supreme Court. Bush probably thinks the Supreme Court is a really big basketball arena. It would be nice to have a guy who actually has some intelligence leading our country.

 

He's a former prosecutor. Like that.

 

The way he handled 9/11 was impressive. I'm pretty sure he'd do a better job with say - Katrina - than Bush has.

 

I don't know how well he'd do internationally. I think Biden would probably be better at that. But, I know he'd be an upgrade over Bush. Of course, an actual 'bush' would be an upgrade over Bush... Rudy doesn't seem like the kind of guy to take any crap from anybody - I'm fine with that. Biden might be better liked, but Rudy would be more effective.

 

There's still a lot I need to learn about the guy. Those of you for or against him - Why?

 

Of your list, I don't care a whit that he's a former prosecutor. The others are all +'s right now.

 

The biggest negative I have against him and will be a huge hurdle to any GOP"s, IMO, is what I see as his still unwavering support of our actions in Iraq. Until he can say, "wow, what a massive clusterfock" I'm going to have a hard time supporting him.

 

This is based on the last comments I have read from him, if his position has changed recently, then I missed it.

[MDC 7,339]

I like Giuliani, but I don't think he's ready to stand up to the national spotlight. People forget that pre-9/11, a lot of New Yorkers couldn't stand him. Giuliani is known as a bully and a hothead who does not work well with other people. His social views on abortion and gay rights are going to be tough to overcome in the GOP. And Rudy couldn't even keep his personal sh1t together for a Senate run against a carpetbagger. Now he's going to run a 24/7 campaign with cameras on him and a mic in his face at all times?

 

I think he did a terrific job as Mayor of NY and I'd consider voting for him, I'm just guessing that the better voters get to know Giuliani, the less they're going to like him.

[GobbleDog 992]

I watched Guilliani give a speach last year in Orlando... he smiles a lot and he talks a lot. But not much substance.

 

[Riddlen 1]

I watched Guilliani give a speach last year in Orlando... he smiles a lot and he talks a lot. But not much substance.

 

as opposed to all the politicians who are super deep

[GobbleDog 992]

Just my impression of him.

 

But he does have a good chance of winning the Presidency. 9/11 made Rudi a very popular American and that equates to a lot of votes.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Admittedly, I don't know much about him or his platform right now, but I think he's my frontrunner right now.

 

Sounds like how you make most of your decisions.

 

And use the search function for once, you are so late to this party.

 

and it really doesnt matter what you think, he will be our next president, period.

[wiffleball 4,789]

Sounds like how you make most of your decisions.

 

And use the search function for once, you are so late to this party.

 

and it really doesnt matter what you think, he will be our next president, period.

 

 

Dude, do you have some sort of man-crush on me or something. Seriously, it's getting kind of pathetic.

[MDC 7,339]

Dude, do you have some sort of man-crush on me or something.

 

He's a typical Republican - complain about the gays all day long, go home to do meth and suck fat wang at night.

[WahooJim 4]

The biggest negative I have against him and will be a huge hurdle to any GOP"s, IMO, is what I see as his still unwavering support of our actions in Iraq.

 

I understand the anger with the GOP and disenchantment with Bush overall, but I have one nagging question for all moderates, fence sitters and non-partisans:

 

If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, will you vote for her, or for anyone else regardless of their views and/or shortcomings?

 

The only way I see the GOP retaining the 'house is if Hillary is on the ballot.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

He's a typical Republican - went into business for himself, worked his arse off despite knowing 95% of start ups fail within a year, takes care of his family, listens to mindless jerks on FFtoday talk about homo stuff every other post and wonders why his friends are in Afg. and Iraq defending that right.

 

Yeah, im all those things except a Republican. I understand all of you emotional and social misfits have banded together and you call yourself liberals, just dont forget who you are really mad at, redirecting your anger at those who you could never be will not solve anything.

[wiffleball 4,789]

I understand the anger with the GOP and disenchantment with Bush overall, but I have one nagging question for all moderates, fence sitters and non-partisans:

 

If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, will you vote for her, or for anyone else regardless of their views and/or shortcomings?

 

The only way I see the GOP retaining the 'house is if Hillary is on the ballot.

 

 

I've said for a long time, I think Hillary getting the nod will be a HUGE boost for the GOP. Most of the GOP is pretty pixxed-off and disenchanted right now. The fundies feel like their candidates aren't extremist enough, and the mods are wondering how Bush could've focked up the party so badly, but if they bring Hillary to the table, all of that will fall by the wayside and the party will vote against her in droves.

 

...Talks about himself in the 3rd person...

 

 

And, while technically, I guess it's true, selling Amway from your mother's house ain't exactly viewed as "going into business for himself..."

[Snoopy1 0]

I understand the anger with the GOP and disenchantment with Bush overall, but I have one nagging question for all moderates, fence sitters and non-partisans:

 

If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, will you vote for her, or for anyone else regardless of their views and/or shortcomings?

 

The only way I see the GOP retaining the 'house is if Hillary is on the ballot.

 

I'm not sure what you mean here. The question was asking about Rudy's shortcomings, but yes I will consider the shortcomings of all the candidates.

 

I just consider the Iraq War to be a much bigger strike against the GOP and in particular any candidate who still has the cojones to say that invasion was the right thing to do.

[Strike 5,489]

 

 

I just consider the Iraq War to be a much bigger strike against the GOP and in particular any candidate who still has the cojones to say that invasion was the right thing to do.

 

It's certainly a sore spot. I think the question at this point isn't whether the invasion was the right thing to do because a lot of people voted for it, including Hitlery, but what should we do now. And I think any candidate that says we should just leave better have well thought out reasoning. This piece may be indicative of why it's not as simple as leave or stay:

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...nion-columnists

[Dr. Rosenpenis 0]

I like Giuliani, but I don't think he's ready to stand up to the national spotlight. People forget that pre-9/11, a lot of New Yorkers couldn't stand him.

 

That's not really true. Of course no one is universally loved but he was a republican mayor in a very democratic city. He was well liked. His most vocal opponents were the Al Sharpton types who were upset about a couple highly publicized incidents involving the police.

 

Giuliani is known as a bully and a hothead who does not work well with other people.

 

I don't think this is very accurate either. He is seen as a law-and-order kind of guy but I don't think that's the same as a bully - unless you're a big supporter of drug dealers and panhandlers. He brought tons of business back to New York - convincing Disney to open a theater in the not-quite-back-yet Times Square was a major achievement in negotiation and teamwork.

 

And Rudy couldn't even keep his personal sh1t together for a Senate run against a carpetbagger. Now he's going to run a 24/7 campaign with cameras on him and a mic in his face at all times?

 

By personal ###### I assume you mean cancer

 

I think he did a terrific job as Mayor of NY and I'd consider voting for him, I'm just guessing that the better voters get to know Giuliani, the less they're going to like him.

 

I think 9/11 actually overshadows his great work as Mayor of New York. He was excellent in his leadership during/after 9/11 but he did similar great work as Mayor. Under Dinkins business left for NJ and CT, the tax base went to ######, crime was up, places like Times Square and Bryant Park were off limits - it wasn't exactly 1978 but the City was in the shitter. Now people outside of NY (and probably some still there) only remember his role involving 9/11.

[wiffleball 4,789]

I think my biggest 'plus' for him is how I see him being the ONLY candidate that would/could bring this country back together again. It's hard to articulate, but at least in the short term, I think he would do an incredible job in that regard. - And I think we need that more than just about anything else. Fock the poltiics, bring in an executive.

[Snoopy1 0]

It's certainly a sore spot. I think the question at this point isn't whether the invasion was the right thing to do because a lot of people voted for it, including Hitlery, but what should we do now. And I think any candidate that says we should just leave better have well thought out reasoning. This piece may be indicative of why it's not as simple as leave or stay:

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...nion-columnists

 

 

Very true, but as I indicated before the last thing I saw Guilliani say about it was that it was the right thing to do. So many ways to read into that, either's he's being a stooge or his deductive powers concerning evidence leave much to be desired.

 

And you are right, it's not simple to say "were outta here". In many ways it's a lot more complicated a situation then Viet Nam ever was.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

That's not really true. Of course no one is universally loved but he was a republican mayor in a very democratic city. He was well liked. His most vocal opponents were the Al Sharpton types who were upset about a couple highly publicized incidents involving the police.

I don't think this is very accurate either. He is seen as a law-and-order kind of guy but I don't think that's the same as a bully - unless you're a big supporter of drug dealers and panhandlers. He brought tons of business back to New York - convincing Disney to open a theater in the not-quite-back-yet Times Square was a major achievement in negotiation and teamwork.

By personal ###### I assume you mean cancer

I think 9/11 actually overshadows his great work as Mayor of New York. He was excellent in his leadership during/after 9/11 but he did similar great work as Mayor. Under Dinkins business left for NJ and CT, the tax base went to ######, crime was up, places like Times Square and Bryant Park were off limits - it wasn't exactly 1978 but the City was in the shitter. Now people outside of NY (and probably some still there) only remember his role involving 9/11.

 

Yes MDC thinks if you do anything remotely proactive that you are a bully. It justifies their laziness.

[wiffleball 4,789]

Yes MDC thinks if you do anything remotely proactive that you are a bully. It justifies their laziness.

 

Dude, can actually CONTRIBUTE something? An actual intelligent thought of your own that's say - ON TOPIC? Rather than just spewing shiit? If you don't want to be known as the board douche you are, why don't you contribute a thought in this thread? Apparently, you like Rudy, why don't you tell us WHY? - And don't cut and paste "the 10 reasons Rudy is better than 'Hitlery'" from some email or website, just sit back, read the question and share your reasoned response.

 

You might enjoy it for a change. - And people won't jump your shiit for being an arsehole.

[MDC 7,339]

By personal ###### I assume you mean cancer

 

I was talking more about his repeated adultery, appearing at official functions with girlfriends, and informing his wife that he was leaving her via a press conference. Claiming he couldn't have been cheating on his wife because prostate cancer made him impotent prolly didn't help, either.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Dude, can actually CONTRIBUTE something? An actual intelligent thought of your own that's say - ON TOPIC? Rather than just spewing shiit? If you don't want to be known as the board douche you are, why don't you contribute a thought in this thread? Apparently, you like Rudy, why don't you tell us WHY? - And don't cut and paste "the 10 reasons Rudy is better than 'Hitlery'" from some email or website, just sit back, read the question and share your reasoned response.

 

You might enjoy it for a change. - And people won't jump your shiit for being an arsehole.

 

A) I could give a fock what anyone thinks about me on this board, if thats not the saddest notion ive heard in a while.

 

I contribute when I see fit, and have done it many times.

 

C) Use the search function, thats what its there for, I started two threads on this weeks ago....one serious and one not so serious.

 

D) Are you and MDC doin it? What the hell, you really care about him it seems, a guy who would be kicked off in a heartbeat according to all the polls of him ive seen.

 

E) And stop acting as if I dont provide devine insight ad nauseam, that dog wont hunt.

[Dr. Rosenpenis 0]

I was talking more about his repeated adultery, appearing at official functions with girlfriends, and informing his wife that he was leaving her via a press conference. Claiming he couldn't have been cheating on his wife because prostate cancer made him impotent prolly didn't help, either.

 

If he'd been able to stay in that race, he would have won.

 

He was dating his press secretary for a while - I don't think it's the same woman he's with now but I don't remember exactly. He had moved out of Gracie Mansion so his wife wasn't exactly in the dark and it's not like he was showing up with a different girl every where he went. I think he finished his NY term with the press secretary but again, I don't really remember.

 

You're not really painting an accurate picture with 'repeated adultery' and girlfriend's'.

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

I think he was married to his cousin... or was it his sister?

[MDC 7,339]

If he'd been able to stay in that race, he would have won.

 

He was dating his press secretary for a while - I don't think it's the same woman he's with now but I don't remember exactly. He had moved out of Gracie Mansion so his wife wasn't exactly in the dark and it's not like he was showing up with a different girl every where he went. I think he finished his NY term with the press secretary but again, I don't really remember.

 

You're not really painting an accurate picture with 'repeated adultery' and girlfriend's'.

 

Giuliani's infidelity was an open secret in NYC. Over the years he'd been spotted with several woman and later admitted to having commit adultery. How else do you say it? He was focking women who were not his wife. Maybe he'll make a great Presidential candidate but I would not be surprised if his candidacy is a train wreck. I think Rudy is the kind of guy people like more the less they know about him.

[wiffleball 4,789]

...I guess we'll just take that as a "I have nothing intelligent to offer that I haven't taken verbatim from some other source".

 

 

C) Use the search function, thats what its there for, I started two threads on this weeks ago....one serious and one not so serious.

 

And uh, yeah - ONE thread in the past two month. (other than 300 Global Warming cut and pastes)

 

Rudy G. will be the next President of the United Sates.......mark it down.

 

I will honestly entertain any legitimate wager put forth the members of this board. Im willing to bet heavy, and bet often. Let me know who's down to lose his or her hard earned cash and I will shoot you an email with all of the particulars and personal info necessary for a legitimate wager.

 

Stone cold mortal lead pipe lock, he will be POTUS.

 

...and nowhere even in your own thread, could you even come up with one reason why you think so. Quite the analytical one, huh?

 

Worthless.

[Toro 1]

It might help to learn to spell "Giuliani" first.

[Dr. Rosenpenis 0]

Giuliani's infidelity was an open secret in NYC. Over the years he'd been spotted with several woman and later admitted to having commit adultery. How else do you say it? He was focking women who were not his wife. Maybe he'll make a great Presidential candidate but I would not be surprised if his candidacy is a train wreck. I think Rudy is the kind of guy people like more the less they know about him.

 

I know his infidelity was an open secret. I even told you who is girlfriend was - press secretary. I'm not his personal biographer but I don't think he was sleeping around the way you describe - and if you know he was you'd think you'd have a link. He certainly wasn't showing up at official functions with a different girl every week.

 

You seem to know less about him than you contend. You're really not much better than Boz in this thread.

[wiffleball 4,789]

re: Adultery / Divorce -

 

There have been a lot of polls done fairly recently and Rudy had some great numbers. Presumably, the people responding to the polls know about his past. So, I'm not quite sure how we reconcile things. Maybe the fact that it's in the past (as opposed to Clinton) is a factor?

[Dr. Rosenpenis 0]

re: Adultery / Divorce -

 

There have been a lot of polls done fairly recently and Rudy had some great numbers. Presumably, the people responding to the polls know about his past. So, I'm not quite sure how we reconcile things. Maybe the fact that it's in the past (as opposed to Clinton) is a factor?

 

I've said this before as well - his whole life has been in the public eye. His adultery/divorce is public knowledge and has been for a long time. It's really no secret.

 

Also, according to Wikipedia I got it about right:

 

Cristyne Lategano, the mayor's former communications director, with whom a 1997 Vanity Fair article reported Giuliani had a romantic relationship.[69] The mayor and Lategano denied the allegations, and continue to deny them.

 

Giuliani then moved out of Gracie Mansion and into an apartment of two gay friends of his.[70] Giuliani filed for divorce against Hanover in October 2000[71]

 

I called her the press secretary - same thing. I also have good inside info that says they were in fact in a relationship.

 

In May of 2000, the New York Daily News broke news of his relationship to Judith Nathan. Giuliani then called a press conference to announce that he intended to separate from Hanover.

 

I didn't think he ended up married to the press secretary. This was after he moved out of Gracie Mansion so again, not much of a surprise.

 

In short, yes he committed adultery but he wasn't bagging floozies every weekend the way MDC seemed to indicate. And this is all old news.

[Jeremy 0]

re: Adultery / Divorce -

 

There have been a lot of polls done fairly recently and Rudy had some great numbers. Presumably, the people responding to the polls know about his past. So, I'm not quite sure how we reconcile things. Maybe the fact that it's in the past (as opposed to Clinton) is a factor?

 

I don't think it's as big a deal these days as it used to be. If Bill Clinton could run again, he'd probably win easily. I could be wrong. After the failure of the Bush presidency, I think competence is going to be what people are looking for more than anything.

[MDC 7,339]

You seem to know less about him than you contend. You're really not much better than Boz in this thread.

 

Have it your way. I've thought Rudy's national appeal is wildly overrated. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really have a horse in this race. I'd be fine with a moderate Republican president. I just think his affair, and his support for gay rights and abortion, is going to turn off the GOP base. My two cents.

[Snuff 10]

I wish we could vote for Bush again.

[wiffleball 4,789]

Interesting Numbers:

 

Should he run, he has a huge name identification advantage. Look at any national or state poll featuring a hypothetical 2008 Republican primary matchup and you will find Giuliani in either first or second place -- either slightly ahead of or slightly behind Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

 

For the most part, these polls are simply name identification tests. But that doesn't mean they should be disregarded. What these surveys show is that not only is Giuliani known by nearly every voter in the country but -- for the most part -- those same people are favorably disposed toward Hizzoner.

 

Take a recent Quinnipiac University poll that sought to test voters' feelings toward 2008 presidential candidates. Respondents were asked to rate a series of individuals from 0 (cold feelings) to 100 (very warm feelings).

 

Giuliani led the pack with a 64 percent overall rating, a total that included a 73 percent score among Republicans and a 58 percent score among Democrats. The warm feelings toward Giuliani were consistent across the country in red and blue states, as well as "purple" states where he received a uniform 64 percent rating. (For the purposes of the Quinnipiac survey, the purple states included were Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.)

 

 

I think MDC has a point though. I mean, The GOP could be in for a heck of a internal fight - With numbers like above, Rudy pretty much guarantees the WH. BUT: Doing so will be pretty much a smack in the face to the Radical Religous Right. - A huge bastion of the GOP historically. Will be interesting when it comes down to nut-cutting time.

[Dr. Rosenpenis 0]

Have it your way. I've thought Rudy's national appeal is wildly overrated. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really have a horse in this race. I'd be fine with a moderate Republican president. I just think his affair, and his support for gay rights and abortion, is going to turn off the GOP base. My two cents.

 

Your opinion is fine. I only had a problem with your inaccurate description of his personal life - which admittedly doesn't read like a fairy tail.

 

 

Doing so will be pretty much a smack in the face to the Radical Religous Right. - A huge bastion of the GOP historically.

 

Fock the radical religious right. Those ignorant rednecks aren't voting for a woman (Hilary) or a black guy either (Obama) so they are probably taking it up their self righteous a$$es anyway.

[Toro 1]

Interesting Numbers:

 

 

I think MDC has a point though. I mean, The GOP could be in for a heck of a internal fight - With numbers like above, Rudy pretty much guarantees the WH. BUT: Doing so will be pretty much a smack in the face to the Radical Religous Right. - A huge bastion of the GOP historically. Will be interesting when it comes down to nut-cutting time.

 

Not every republican is a radical religious right nutbag. You automatically assume that a GOP nomination has to come with full support of Falwell and the other religious right people. I just don't see that as being anywhere near the truth.

[wiffleball 4,789]

Your opinion is fine. I only had a problem with your inaccurate description of his personal life - which admittedly doesn't read like a fairy tail.

Fock the radical religious right. Those ignorant rednecks aren't voting for a woman (Hilary) or a black guy either (Obama) so they are probably taking it up their self righteous a$$es anyway.

 

 

Yeah, you're right. if it's a Hillary vs. Rudy fight, that's be schweet! Rat Robertson would probably start his own party.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

...I guess we'll just take that as a "I have nothing intelligent to offer that I haven't taken verbatim from some other source".

And uh, yeah - ONE thread in the past two month. (other than 300 Global Warming cut and pastes)

...and nowhere even in your own thread, could you even come up with one reason why you think so. Quite the analytical one, huh?

 

Worthless.

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...100&hl=rudy

 

Not that strong of a fact finder are ya?

 

 

 

"Wrong. Giuliani will get the Rep. nomination and will most likely beat Hilliary. Rudy is a rational moderate which is what most Republicans are, not the Pat Robertsons or Ann Coulters that grab headlines. He's for a strong national defense, strong foreign policy, small government, lower taxes, conservative judges, pro 2nd ammendment, personally hates abortion but feels we shouldnt put a woman in jail for having one.

 

He will lose a few votes on the abortion issue but more than make up for it with his moderate approach to politics.

 

He will be our next prez. Mark it down."

[wiffleball 4,789]

Not every republican is a radical religious right nutbag. You automatically assume that a GOP nomination has to come with full support of Falwell and the other religious right people. I just don't see that as being anywhere near the truth.

 

You horribly mischaracterized my statement. For that sir, Pistols at dawn. I'm pretty sure I said that the RRR was a {wait - let me look it up} "huge bastion of the GOP historically". - Which I believe has been true, n'est pas? They're generally credited with getting Bush the election. But certainly not the ONLY bastion. If I automatically assumed every "GOP nomination has to come with full support of Falwell and the other religious right people.", then I wouldn't have played out a scenario where Rudy gets the nod DESPITE the RRR objections.

[Snuff 10]

You can be darn sure that whoever the next President will be, immediately after he/she gets sworn in, the Iraq war will be over, there will be no more terrorism, the world will all of a sudden like us again, and there will be peace forever and ever.

[wiffleball 4,789]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...100&hl=rudy

 

Not that strong of a fact finder are ya?

 

 

Don't really read your own shiit, do ya? Let me read it to you, sport:

 

C) Use the search function, thats what its there for, I started two threads on this weeks ago ....one serious and one not so serious.

 

The thread you reference ?

1) Wasn't "started" by you, it was started by MCMKLAA and:

2) Wasn't 'weeks' ago, it was nine days ago.

 

 

..and it still took you what 2 hours just to dig THAT one up? Granted, if you were looking for 2 Rudy threads that you started (like you said), you'd be looking a long time..

 

 

Again, Pathetic.