Voter ID Bill

[Cdub100 3,907]

If voting is so important then finding a little time in your day should be a priority.

 

It's not just a little time for some people.

 

I ask you for a third time!!! Why are you opposed to election day as a national holiday.

[lennie75 0]

It's not just a little time for some people.

 

I ask you for a third time!!! Why are you opposed to election day as a national holiday.

So every store, gas station, etc. just closes down for a day. Yeah, that seems like a logical answer to keep people from having to wake up an hour and a half earlier every 2-4 years!!!

[Cdub100 3,907]

Can you really not see the problem with voting online. I am all for it if you have to walk into an agency and show propper id then log on and vote. But, to just let people vote from home is a laughable idea. I can just imagine the scandals!!!

 

But, you are rigth there is really nothing wrong I can see with a Holiday for voting. But seriously, people stand in line for 2 hourse to ride the new ride at 6 flags. But, you complain about giong to vote. Moreover, most employers don't give their employees federal holidays off anyway. I think the easier answer is early voting...and if soem states don't offer it than they should. Much easier way to fix problem than voting online or creating holidays.

 

Nobody is complaining about voting. Just that it's sometimes it's hard for people to make it in time.

 

I like the idea of early voting. my state doesn't happen to do it though.

[MDC 7,422]

Can you really not see the problem with voting online. I am all for it if you have to walk into an agency and show propper id then log on and vote. But, to just let people vote from home is a laughable idea. I can just imagine the scandals!!!

 

It's not rocket science - you register early, and use your social security # plus a confirmation code to vote online, and not long after that you receive paper confirmation of your vote in the mail. I don't see how that is any less secure than plugging numbers into an electronic machine.

 

But, you are rigth there is really nothing wrong I can see with a Holiday for voting. But seriously, people stand in line for 2 hourse to ride the new ride at 6 flags. But, you complain about giong to vote. Moreover, most employers don't give their employees federal holidays off anyway. I think the easier answer is early voting...and if soem states don't offer it than they should. Much easier way to fix problem than voting online or creating holidays.

 

Why do so many conservatives have this attitude that everything should be a pain in the ass for everyone and you're a lazy slacker if you don't want to put up with it? Yeah people stand in line at Six Flags - so focking what? You should want as many people as possible to take part in the democratic process. Instead you act like it's some kind of entitlement and people should have to demonstrate their seriousness about voting or something ... sheesh.

[Cdub100 3,907]

So every store, gas station, etc. just closes down for a day. Yeah, that seems like a logical answer to keep people from having to wake up an hour and a half earlier every 2-4 years!!!

 

Is that what they do for Christmas or the 4th of July? But go ahead and take it to the extreme.. that should help your argument.

 

So far the only response I've had in opposition to the holiday is, "if they can't find the time they shouldn't be voting anyway" Yeah that's real American right there.

[lennie75 0]

Is that what they do for Christmas or the 4th of July? But go ahead and take it to the extreme.. that should help your argument.

 

So far the only response I've had in opposition to the holiday is, "if they can't find the time they shouldn't be voting anyway" Yeah that's real American right there.

i didnt' realize that not every state had early voting. So, I stand corrected. I guess I jsut do not understand how people could not have the time. And no not every store closes on Christmas and July 4th...but nice try...usually just banks and government agencies.

[Toro 1]

Obviously you missed the part where I said I have voted in every election since I was 18. I was pointing out sometimes things happen and it would be easier on everyone if it was a national holiday.

 

you were just b1tching to b1tch which isn't anything new for you I guess

 

It would be easier to mow my lawn if we were given a national holiday.

[lennie75 0]

It's not rocket science - you register early, and use your social security # plus a confirmation code to vote online, and not long after that you receive paper confirmation of your vote in the mail. I don't see how that is any less secure than plugging numbers into an electronic machine.

Why do so many conservatives have this attitude that everything should be a pain in the ass for everyone and you're a lazy slacker if you don't want to put up with it? Yeah people stand in line at Six Flags - so focking what? You should want as many people as possible to take part in the democratic process. Instead you act like it's some kind of entitlement and people should have to demonstrate their seriousness about voting or something ... sheesh.

I dont' think it has anything to do with conservatism. But, since you brought it up why do liberals always need to be entitled to everything. Maybe if you would just work hard and quit depending on teh government to give you everrything in the form of a handout you could get ahead in the world.

 

My only point is that I don't see why it is so darn hard to vote. You are making it sound like you have to run a marathon to Croatia or something. Hint...drive to voting agency...if necessary wake up early...if necessary wait in line...drive your sorry A$$ home...it's easy!! Amazing how easy that was!!

 

Secondly, you don't think people would be voting for other people? You really don't think there woudl be a problem? If you don't you are either naive, ignorant, or just stupid!!!

[MDC 7,422]

I dont' think it has anything to do with conservatism. But, since you brought it up why do liberals always need to be entitled to everything.

 

Every taxpaying citizen is entitled to vote.

[lennie75 0]

Every taxpaying citizen is entitled to vote.

Then vote...do you really need a holiday or an internet to vote. Why all of a sudden in 2008 is it a hastle to go vote. Why...because you are sorry and lazy and like to place blame at other people.

 

"Boy I hate Bush"

 

Well...who did you vote for.

 

"Well you see..I didn't really have time to vote...you see I had to take the kid to daycare and be at work by 8."

 

Oh...you mean you didn't vote?

 

"No, I just don't have the time."

 

Well...didn't you have two years to make plans to vote?

 

"Well..I guess. But, you know...I was just real busy!"

 

Pathetic!!!!

[Cdub100 3,907]

And no not every store closes on Christmas and July 4th...but nice try...usually just banks and government agencies.

 

That was my point. They don't close every store and gas station on those two days but the majority of people have the day off not just banks and government buildings.

 

Also I'm open to lots of ideas not just the national holiday that nobody seems to have a valid reason to be against.

 

Early voting

Web voting

absentee ballots

 

The only thing I am against is the mentality that if you don't have 20 minutes to vote even if it takes a lot longer then that you shouldn't vote anyway.

 

It would be easier to mow my lawn if we were given a national holiday.

 

You also don't have a small window of time to do it in. If you don't mow it today you can mow it tomorrow.

[MDC 7,422]

Then vote...do you really need a holiday or an internet to vote. Why all of a sudden in 2008 is it a hastle to go vote. Why...because you are sorry and lazy and like to place blame at other people.

 

I vote every year. Maybe the problem is that you are a self-absorbed, silver spoon fed spoiled focking brat who can't imagine what a hassle it is for low-wage, working class people with kids to get to the polls? Could be!

[surferskin 30]

who doesn't have time to vote? any real people or just hypothetical ones?

 

I vote every year. Maybe the problem is that you are a self-absorbed, silver spoon fed spoiled focking brat who can't imagine what a hassle it is for low-wage, working class people with kids to get to the polls? Could be!

yeah, maybe we should give them the day off without pay. that'd help things out.

[lennie75 0]

That was my point. They don't close every store and gas station on those two days but the majority of people have the day off not just banks and government buildings.

 

Also I'm open to lots of ideas not just the national holiday that nobody seems to have a valid reason to be against.

 

Early voting

Web voting

absentee ballots

 

The only thing I am against is the mentality that if you don't have 20 minutes to vote even if it takes a lot longer then that you shouldn't vote anyway.

You also don't have a small window of time to do it in. If you don't mow it today you can mow it tomorrow.

Then, I agree with you. My only reason for not having a national holiday is that it will only influence a small portion of the populace anyway. WalMart will be open, gas stations will be open, Denny's will be open...why have it if it is not going to produce the results you want in the first place. I guess that is my theory. I am not against a HOliday...I just dont' think it would work so why do it!!

 

Web voting would just lead to problems. If you think there is voter fraud now...just wait!!!

 

I agree with absentee voting and early voting. If we can't solve the problem with those two froms of voting...than nothing will work. Or it is working...because the other people would never vote anyway.

[Cdub100 3,907]

My only reason for not having a national holiday is that it will only influence a small portion of the populace anyway.

 

This is were we disagree then. I feel a national holiday like the 4th would get a heck of a lot more people to vote.

 

[lennie75 0]

I vote every year. Maybe the problem is that you are a self-absorbed, silver spoon fed spoiled focking brat who can't imagine what a hassle it is for low-wage, working class people with kids to get to the polls? Could be!

No, because I am a middle class father with children. My wife also has to work so I have to take the daughter to day care...and be at work on time. So, maybe it is just that I know how hard it is...and I do it...so why can't everyone else.

 

Sure, internet voting woulve be "easier" but i just don't think it woudl work. If you would come up with a way that there would be no fraud (or at least equal towhat goes on now). Than hot darn I am for it...I just don't think that would happen.

[surferskin 30]

i'd much rather vote on work day than on the focking 4th of july. yeah, great idea cdub...instead of going to the beach, getting drunk and lighting off fireworks...i'll be waiting in line to vote for a dooshbag that i hate a little bit less than another doosh.

[davebg 0]

I don't understand this line of argument. Why shouldn't we do everything possible to make voting convenient for people?

I don't understand why it's so hard to devote some time to something so important.

There is no reason why voting online or over the phone would be less secure than electronic voting, especially if you back it up with a paper trail (i.e. you receive paper confirmation of your vote a week later in the mail or whatever).

 

These are just excuses the two political parties trot out to keep voting inconvenient.

I didn't say it was less secure than electronic voting. However, we've already seen and heard the criticisms made of electronic voting. How would online voting be more secure?

 

Furthermore, there are all kinds of risks we open ourselves up to when dealing w/a networked solution over the internet.

 

Also, the whole point of this is to make things easier on those groups that normally have a hard time getting to the polling place...the elderly who don't have transportation, low income voters who can't take the time off. I'd say that an online solution is less likely to help such groups of people than they would be to help people who are just lazy.

[lennie75 0]

This is were we disagree then. I feel a national holiday like the 4th would get a heck of a lot more people to vote.

 

I dont' think the 4th would work. I really think you would just have to pick a new day. I think the turn out on the 4th would be a lot lower. People woudl be too busy on vacation, at the beach, at the pool, bbQing , and/or drunk!!

 

But, I'll bow out on this note. I would have no problem to their being a holiday to vote. I just think it woudl be anotehr day the guys at the DMV and Post Office have off and (I believe) there would not be that much more turnout. But, that is just my opinion.

[davebg 0]

It's not just a little time for some people.

 

I ask you for a third time!!! Why are you opposed to election day as a national holiday.

As I have said multiple times, I don't think making it a national holiday would help the people you claim that it would.

 

The people who can't afford to take the time off or whose employers won't let them take the time are going to be the same people who are stuck working on that day.

 

Again, national holiday does NOT = day off for everyone.

[DrJ 0]

The effort is there the point is life doesn't stop just because it's election day. Most people still have to go to work pick up the kids get them to basketball practice, make dinner, go to school, so when you go to vote and the line is half a mile long what are you supposed to do? Stand there for the next hour and a half while your two year old crys because it's cold and rainy?

 

I have voted in every election since I was 18, but I understand some people have trouble getting to the polls. A national holiday would help elevate the strain.

 

Your employer is required to give you time during the day to vote. What a stoopid focking idea.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Every time I vote it takes way more than 20 minutes. More like an hour and 20 minutes with all the lines ect. Most people go before or after work (6:30-8:00am or 5:00-6:30pm). The lines where I live are outrageous at those times. I've seen people leave from out of line and go home. Some people take it a little more serious than others, and some people have to go pick their kids up from soccer practice.

 

I would think that more people would actually vote if there was alternative voting methods as discussed. For pete's sake we have MLK day and other holidays like that, so a day as important as election day would be a great holiday IMO.

[Cdub100 3,907]

Your employer is required to give you time during the day to vote. What a stoopid focking idea.

 

Yeah a day of for everyone to voted is a dumb idea, but lets make sure everyone has every forth Thursday in November off so we can remember a pilgrim feast. yeah what was I thinking

[DrJ 0]

It's not rocket science - you register early, and use your social security # plus a confirmation code to vote online, and not long after that you receive paper confirmation of your vote in the mail. I don't see how that is any less secure than plugging numbers into an electronic machine.

 

One problem would be that it would seem to make it easier to case a vote for another person.

 

Another would be that I wouldn't imagine everyone in the country owns a computer even still. Making it more inconvenient for a group of voters to cast their ballot than others would seem to disenfranchise those voters to some extent.

[MDC 7,422]

No, because I am a middle class father with children. My wife also has to work so I have to take the daughter to day care...and be at work on time. So, maybe it is just that I know how hard it is...and I do it...so why can't everyone else.

 

I'll never understand why so many conservatives are uptight about this kind of thing. "Voting is inconvenient for me so it should be inconvenient for everybody!" Nice argument. Does the thought of making voting more convenient for everyone really bend you out of shape that much? Why do you care?

 

Sure, internet voting woulve be "easier" but i just don't think it woudl work. If you would come up with a way that there would be no fraud (or at least equal towhat goes on now). Than hot darn I am for it...I just don't think that would happen.

 

People already vote without going to a polling station - absentee ballots. If you required someone to submit a PIN number, their social security, and another valid form of ID like a driver's license # or passport, to vote online, why would that be any less secure than the system as is?

 

One problem would be that it would seem to make it easier to case a vote for another person.

 

Another would be that I wouldn't imagine everyone in the country owns a computer even still. Making it more inconvenient for a group of voters to cast their ballot than others would seem to disenfranchise those voters to some extent.

 

Just based on my experience at polling stations, I think it's probably easy to cast a vote for another person as is. And I'm not talking about abolishing polling stations - just saying you should have the option to vote online.

[DrJ 0]

Just based on my experience at polling stations, I think it's probably easy to cast a vote for another person as is. And I'm not talking about abolishing polling stations - just saying you should have the option to vote online.

 

You're probably right, but what about the fact that not everyone owns a computer?

 

You already see these stories every year about minorities being disenfranchised and whatnot. If more whities own computers, wouldn't this be a way of getting their voices heard more easily than the lower class minorities?...

[MDC 7,422]

You're probably right, but what about the fact that not everyone owns a computer?

 

You already see these stories every year about minorities being disenfranchised and whatnot. If more whities own computers, wouldn't this be a way of getting their voices heard more easily than the lower class minorities?...

 

How is this any different than e-filing your taxes? If people who don't own computers aren't disenfranchised by that, why would voting be any different? I think you're just playing devil's advocate now - I don't really think you believe this would disenfranchise minorities at all.

[Toro 1]

You also don't have a small window of time to do it in. If you don't mow it today you can mow it tomorrow.

 

Tell that to my HOA.

 

 

:absenteemowing?:

[DrJ 0]

How is this any different than e-filing your taxes? If people who don't own computers aren't disenfranchised by that, why would voting be any different? I think you're just playing devil's advocate now - I don't really think you believe this would disenfranchise minorities at all.

 

Ummm....because it's the democratic process, where we're supposed to be ensure that everyone has equal opportunity to participate?

 

If they had more polling stations per citizen in predominately white areas vs predominately minority areas, that would be a problem wouldn't it?

 

I'm having a discussion on the possible impacts of online voting....I thought that's what you were asking for.

[Cdub100 3,907]

Tell that to my HOA.

:mexicanmowing?:

 

fixed

[MDC 7,422]

Ummm....because it's the democratic process, where we're supposed to be ensure that everyone has equal opportunity to participate?

 

If they had more polling stations per citizen in predominately white areas vs predominately minority areas, that would be a problem wouldn't it?

 

I'm having a discussion on the possible impacts of online voting....I thought that's what you were asking for.

 

I still don't buy it. Expanding voting to more people does not disenfranchise anyone if people without computer access could still vote at a polling station. We don't even have uniform voting booths and equipment - if that's not an inequality than offering online voting isn't.

[DrJ 0]

I still don't buy it. Expanding voting to more people does not disenfranchise anyone if people without computer access could still vote at a polling station. We don't even have uniform voting booths and equipment - if that's not an inequality than offering online voting isn't.

 

How is your system expanding voting to more people? The same people are registered to vote, and are just as capable of voting without it being online. Whether they have to do it on a punchcard, or an online screen or whatever. They all have to go to the nearest polling station and vote on whatever equipment may be there, or by mail which is accessible to every US citizen.

 

You are making it more convenient for some people to vote. Specifically people that are wealthy enough to afford computers and internet connections.

 

You don't have to buy it, it's still a fact.

[Toro 1]

fixed

 

Actually, my dude is a honkey.

[wiffleball 4,790]

That's focking stupid! I disagree!!

[MDC 7,422]

How is your system expanding voting to more people? The same people are registered to vote, and are just as capable of voting without it being online. Whether they have to do it on a punchcard, or an online screen or whatever. They all have to go to the nearest polling station and vote on whatever equipment may be there, or by mail which is accessible to every US citizen.

 

You are making it more convenient for some people to vote. Specifically people that are wealthy enough to afford computers and internet connections.

 

You don't have to buy it, it's still a fact.

 

Like I said twice, you can file your taxes online or over the phone. If that does not disenfranchise people who don't own computers or telephones, I don't see why e-zoting would be discriminatory. You are playing torridjoe-esque mental gymnastics.

[davebg 0]

Like I said twice, you can file your taxes online or over the phone. If that does not disenfranchise people who don't own computers or telephones, I don't see why e-zoting would be discriminatory. You are playing torridjoe-esque mental gymnastics.

Ah, MDC is posting so I see it's lowest common denominator time again.

 

Voting is a right and people (claim) to want to do it.

 

Paying taxes is not a right, but rather a burden, which people do not want to do.

 

Apples and oranges, my friend.

[lennie75 0]

I'll never understand why so many conservatives are uptight about this kind of thing. "Voting is inconvenient for me so it should be inconvenient for everybody!" Nice argument. Does the thought of making voting more convenient for everyone really bend you out of shape that much? Why do you care?

People already vote without going to a polling station - absentee ballots. If you required someone to submit a PIN number, their social security, and another valid form of ID like a driver's license # or passport, to vote online, why would that be any less secure than the system as is?

Just based on my experience at polling stations, I think it's probably easy to cast a vote for another person as is. And I'm not talking about abolishing polling stations - just saying you should have the option to vote online.

AGain...it has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism. But way to look like a complete arse.

 

I have said I have no problem with internet voting if it woudl actually give more people the opportunity and at the same time have a low percentage of fraud. Which, I do not beleive would happen. End of story...end of arguement. My point is this...those people who you say have too hard of a time to go vote ...will stay on hold for 2 hours to vote for American Idol.

[MDC 7,422]

Ah, MDC is posting so I see it's lowest common denominator time again.

 

Voting is a right and people (claim) to want to do it.

 

Paying taxes is not a right, but rather a burden, which people do not want to do.

 

Apples and oranges, my friend.

 

If filing your taxes online does not disenfranchise people without computer access, why would voting online? Whether one is a right and the other is a burden is irrelevant - they are both regulated by the government, right?

[lennie75 0]

If filing your taxes online does not disenfranchise people without computer access, why would voting online? Whether one is a right and the other is a burden is irrelevant - they are both regulated by the government, right?

I think the difference is there isn't much of a reason to falsely file someone else's taxes. You are conveniently omitting the real reason to not vote online...which is fraud. Can you imagine the people obtaining other access codes and voting for them. Is that what you want? Again...Are you saying that you do not believe that there would be an escalation in voter fraud if we utilized online voting?? Answer the question...

[davebg 0]

If filing your taxes online does not disenfranchise people without computer access, why would voting online? Whether one is a right and the other is a burden is irrelevant - they are both regulated by the government, right?

Um... ...how about b/c the definition of "disenfranchisement" is directly tied to being deprived of civil or electoral privilages and has nothing to do w/paying taxes.

 

Unless you consider paying your taxes to be a "civil privilage".