Favre pissed!

[XToday 0]

Yesterday, Favre went on a bit of a tirade about the Pack not acquiring Moss.

 

Today, however, Jay Glazer of Fox Sports is reporting that Favre was so upset he asked to be traded prior to the draft!

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6805790...13162&ATT=5

 

Wow! And I thought *I* was the only Packer fan who was pissed. I asked to be traded to, actually.

 

I believe Thompson blew it this season, after a solid offseason last year. Free agents, draft, etc. The team is building for a superbowl in like 3 years. Unfortunately, no one told Favre.

 

THE END IS NIGH, MY FRIENDS!

[swamp dog 0]

oh, this is going to be one gooooddddddd thread.

 

:popcorn:

 

"I just want to win; maybe I see things the wrong way," Favre said in the exclusive interview. "I don't want to ruffle any feathers and I want people to respect me. Sometimes I think it's hard for them to let Brett go. They might think that we pay him a lot of money, but he still gives us the best chance to win. I've never been told that, but there are times when I wonder if I'm the odd man out here and they just don't know how to tell me.

 

"Our offense struggled last season. If it were not for our defense, we would not have won eight games. Right now, it's hard to be optimistic."

 

ouch.

[Parja 0]

Would love to see #4 in purple and gold.

 

Skol Favre!

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sources close to this and that say...this person says. Blah.

 

Sources also said the Moss deal to the Packers was a done deal months ago.

 

Take most of them with a grain of salt.

 

Especially those saying he wanted to be traded before the draft...before anyone really knew the deal with the Moss deal, before they drafted anyone...that is the part making this a bit unbelievable.

 

And as much as I like Brett, what value does he really have to other teams at this point? A late 30 year old QB who throws more INTs than TDs.

 

Seems he...Steve Young...and some other draft "experts" are all whining because the team did not draft just for Brett Favre. Ive got news for all of them...Ted Thompson's job is not to draft just for Brett Favre. Its to do what is best for the Green Bay Packers. Despite many people's opinions...even Brett Favre is not bigger than the Green Bay Packers.

 

I love him as a player, respect what he has done for the team. But he has maybe one year or two left in the tank.

 

Perhaps TT drafted all those defensive players to try and make up for all of the mistakes he makes on the field. Who knows.

 

I will enjoy the guy playing...but his thoughts how he would run things are pretty much ridiculous. That and I wonder how much of the Moss deal he really knows...and how much of it is a line of BS that his agent is giving him.

[swamp dog 0]

Sources close to this and that say...this person says. Blah.

 

Sources also said the Moss deal to the Packers was a done deal months ago.

 

Take most of them with a grain of salt.

 

Especially those saying he wanted to be traded before the draft...before anyone really knew the deal with the Moss deal, before they drafted anyone...that is the part making this a bit unbelievable.

 

And as much as I like Brett, what value does he really have to other teams at this point? A late 30 year old QB who throws more INTs than TDs.

 

Seems he...Steve Young...and some other draft "experts" are all whining because the team did not draft just for Brett Favre. Ive got news for all of them...Ted Thompson's job is not to draft just for Brett Favre. Its to do what is best for the Green Bay Packers. Despite many people's opinions...even Brett Favre is not bigger than the Green Bay Packers.

 

I love him as a player, respect what he has done for the team. But he has maybe one year or two left in the tank.

 

Perhaps TT drafted all those defensive players to try and make up for all of the mistakes he makes on the field. Who knows.

 

I will enjoy the guy playing...but his thoughts how he would run things are pretty much ridiculous. That and I wonder how much of the Moss deal he really knows...and how much of it is a line of BS that his agent is giving him.

 

 

"Actually, I said Favre could be here for 2 more years. In 2 years Rodgers will end up a free agent...and then you have to figure out his worth...or cut bait for nothing. Why not get something out of him is all I am saying. Yet you don't understand that simple concept....must be the years of ineptness you are used to from the Lions.

 

But Favre playing longer is exactly why he is expendable. Sorry that you don't accept that though... "--sho nuff, march 2, 2007 (context: very willing to trade rodgers for moss).

 

so does this mean you NOW think the packers should hang onto rodgers and plan the departure of favre instead?

 

and speculating on favre's agent filling his gulllible little mind with stories is rather lame. even you should be able to do better than that.

[XToday 0]

 

Seems he...Steve Young...and some other draft "experts" are all whining because the team did not draft just for Brett Favre. Ive got news for all of them...Ted Thompson's job is not to draft just for Brett Favre. Its to do what is best for the Green Bay Packers. Despite many people's opinions...even Brett Favre is not bigger than the Green Bay Packers.

 

I would agree that drafting for Favre alone wouldn't make sense, but c'mon-- how do you take (reach, actually) for a defensive tackle in the first, and a risky RB in the 2nd when there was so much better talent at offense available? So Favre retires after this season. Now you have Rodgers who will need some help.

 

Jackson may or may not work out. At best, he's part of a RBBC. But Driver's not gonna be around forever, Jennings is a #3 WR, and there's no TE really to speak of. They had so many opportunities to bring in some talent for both Favre and his successor, and they failed. I can see your argument with regard to Moss, who has maybe 3 years left. But D. Jackson was there, along with a couple lesser guys. At TE they could have had McMichael or the Patriots guy (can't think of his name currently).

 

I honestly believe Favre would have hung it up had he known what was going to transpire the few months after he committed to coming back. And I think the only reason he did that is because he got so much crap for waiting last year. Now he's stuck. And I don't blame him for being pissed.

[swamp dog 0]

so i take it favre won't be spouting off this summer about the 2007 packers being the "best team he's ever been around"

 

a wild hunch...

 

but this needs to get resolved rather quickly for the packers one way or the other. you can't have your most visible, most high-profile player (arguably) in team history spouting off venom about the organization and questioning the leadership's ability to do what it takes to win.

 

yeah, you can talk brave and say it's "tt's team and he needs to do what's best for the packers not favre" but the reality is a LOT of players in that lockerroom listen to favre and take his lead. he's opened pandora's box with these comments and something is going to have to give--even if there's a kissy-face makeup news conference.

[Sho Nuff 720]

"Actually, I said Favre could be here for 2 more years. In 2 years Rodgers will end up a free agent...and then you have to figure out his worth...or cut bait for nothing. Why not get something out of him is all I am saying. Yet you don't understand that simple concept....must be the years of ineptness you are used to from the Lions.

 

But Favre playing longer is exactly why he is expendable. Sorry that you don't accept that though... "--sho nuff, march 2, 2007 (context: very willing to trade rodgers for moss).

 

so does this mean you NOW think the packers should hang onto rodgers and plan the departure of favre instead?

 

and speculating on favre's agent filling his gulllible little mind with stories is rather lame. even you should be able to do better than that.

 

Funny, I said above that he had one, maybe 2 years left in the tank.

 

Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote.

 

Hang on to Rodgers? Funny, they are. You are taking words about a different topic (Rodger's value) and trying to apply it to Favre's value on the open market.

 

I think they should plan for Favre's future...and I made it very clear in my thoughts on trades that if they thought Rodgers was not the guy, that a trade would not be a bad thing. And that this was if they knew they would get Favre that much longer).

 

Perhaps you should actually keep up with the overall context rather than parsing my words here.

 

 

Im speculating as Favre seems to be relaying information contrary to what other reports have said. They share the same agent. Its a logical possibility. Though I forget, you lack the ability to understand simple logic.

[hoffdaddy 1]

I used to be a pretty staunch Favre defender, but he's crossed the line for the last time with me. Hey Brett, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. You are not the GM.

 

And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

 

I would agree that drafting for Favre alone wouldn't make sense, but c'mon-- how do you take (reach, actually) for a defensive tackle in the first, and a risky RB in the 2nd when there was so much better talent at offense available?

 

Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

 

And did I see one legged D. Jackson mentioned? While I understand the sentinment, this isn't the same Jackson now.

 

And frankly, this team is still farther away from a Super Bowl run than Randy Moss. So let's not pretend he's a magic cure.

 

Kudos to Ted Thompson for building this team for the future, not for an attempted "one last run for Brett" campaign.

[swamp dog 0]

Funny, I said above that he had one, maybe 2 years left in the tank.

 

Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote.

 

Hang on to Rodgers? Funny, they are. You are taking words about a different topic (Rodger's value) and trying to apply it to Favre's value on the open market.

 

I think they should plan for Favre's future...and I made it very clear in my thoughts on trades that if they thought Rodgers was not the guy, that a trade would not be a bad thing. And that this was if they knew they would get Favre that much longer).

 

Perhaps you should actually keep up with the overall context rather than parsing my words here.

Im speculating as Favre seems to be relaying information contrary to what other reports have said. They share the same agent. Its a logical possibility. Though I forget, you lack the ability to understand simple logic.

 

so do you still think favre has a couple of years left in green bay and do you still feel rodgers should be moved?

 

logical possibility? yeah, bigfoot existing is a "logical possiblity." you're engagin in wild speculation because it's easier to think that someone else outside of the organization is responsible for this "ugliness" on favre's part and not the god favre.

 

that you have the nerve to chastize someone else while hanging your hat on that weak premise is amusing and entertaining.

 

bump.

 

:more popcorn:

 

I used to be a pretty staunch Favre defender, but he's crossed the line for the last time with me. Hey Brett, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. You are not the GM.

 

And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

 

And did I see one legged D. Jackson mentioned? While I understand the sentinment, this isn't the same Jackson now.

 

And frankly, this team is still farther away from a Super Bowl run than Randy Moss. So let's not pretend he's a magic cure.

 

Kudos to Ted Thompson for building this team for the future, not for an attempted "one last run for Brett" campaign.

 

 

from the article: "The shocking request appeared directly related to the team's inability to trade for WR Randy Moss."

 

it appears the main reason--or the proverbial straw, if you will--that set brett off was the packers inability to get moss (which, hey, i never liked moss but brett seems to have been touching his happy spot over him). i didn't see anything in the article that suggested favre didn't like the packers overall draft--other than they didn't give up the 4th for randy like new england did. thus i think the debate about the round 1 pick is irrelevant.

 

this all boils down to an institution in green bay--a guy on a god-like pedestal there, a guy who fans have sworn up and down will only ever bleed green and yellow blood--has come out publicly and been directly quoted (er, notice the quotation marks around his words in the article) and ripped the organization a new a-hole. bam.

 

all this other stuff about whether his agent brainwashed him or whether the packers should be criticized for drafting a dt in round 1 is completely and totally irrelevant.

[hoffdaddy 1]

so do you still think favre has a couple of years left in green bay and do you still feel rodgers should be moved?

 

logical possibility? yeah, bigfoot existing is a "logical possiblity." you're engagin in wild speculation because it's easier to think that someone else outside of the organization is responsible for this "ugliness" on favre's part and not the god favre.

 

that you have the nerve to chastize someone else while hanging your hat on that weak premise is amusing and entertaining.

 

bump.

 

:more popcorn:

from the article: "The shocking request appeared directly related to the team's inability to trade for WR Randy Moss."

 

it appears the main reason--or the proverbial straw, if you will--that set brett off was the packers inability to get moss (which, hey, i never liked moss but brett seems to have been touching his happy spot over him). i didn't see anything in the article that suggested favre didn't like the packers overall draft--other than they didn't give up the 4th for randy like new england did. thus i think the debate about the round 1 pick is irrelevant.

 

Favre didn't rip it, XToday did. Just lumping all of it together in my post.

[swamp dog 0]

Favre didn't rip it, XToday did. Just lumping all of it together in my post.

 

the most telling comment from favre, to me, is the "sometimes it's hard for them to let brett go." i've been saying this for two years to loud cat calls from the cheeseheads here: favre has been--and IS--holding the future of the organization hostage. the rebuilding is stunted with him staying there and the packer brass not having the balls to either ask him to leave or making him leave.

 

looks like brett is finally starting to force the hand.

[hoffdaddy 1]

the most telling comment from favre, to me, is the "sometimes it's hard for them to let brett go." i've been saying this for two years to loud cat calls from the cheeseheads here: favre has been--and IS--holding the future of the organization hostage. the rebuilding is stunted with him staying there and the packer brass not having the balls to either ask him to leave or making him leave.

 

looks like brett is finally starting to force the hand.

 

Basically, Thompson is in a lose-lose. If he comes in and moves Brett, everyone hates him. If he builds the team as he sees fit, everyone questions him (except me and a few others).

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

I don't think the Packers think they can win another Superbowl with Favre. I don't know how you can get eliminated from the playoffs on week 17 and not think you are close enough to make an effort. I think they have one signing in FA. If you go 8-8 in the NFC and play the Lions twice, you have more holes to fill than one. Thompson has been around the league long enough to know that you can not build a team on the draft alone. There is no sense of urgency in Green Bay. I am not sure I get why but maybe it is so they can let Favre have his last dance and then move on. Maybe they don't want to encourage him to stay. Last year, they beat MN and Detroit twice and split with the Bears. There is no reason to believe this team couldn't do that again this year. The Lions got a little better but not a bunch. The Vikings are worse. That is 4 automatic wins a season. You need 5 more to get WC slot. The Giants got in on an 8-8 record last year. They play Oakland this year, there is 5, need 4 more. Washington is on the schedule, 3 more. Denver, Carolina, KC, NYG, St. Louis... all teams that can be beat. If you split with the Bears, ######, they are almost a can't miss. That is if they had gone out and gotten some players. Steinbach, Adalious Thomas, Darrell Jackson... It would have probably only taken one or two good players to get that one or two more wins. They got the money too. Plenty of it.

 

I posted this in another thread yesterday. I agree with Favre. The Packers have done nothing to improve the 8-8 by a game or two and get to the post season. They will be just there and get whipped in the playoffs or not make it at all.

[swamp dog 0]

Basically, Thompson is in a lose-lose. If he comes in and moves Brett, everyone hates him. If he builds the team as he sees fit, everyone questions him (except me and a few others).

 

i agree! but if it's a lose situation no matter what...maybe he should entertain trading him. gotta believe a contender in the afc would still pay a pretty high ransom for favre.

 

serious question: what's to stop brett from pulling a seau and and announcing his retirement this summer and then a week later signing with another team? (i'm not talking the ethics and whether he would---just the technical, legal aspects of it as a possibility.)

[XToday 0]

And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

 

Hoff, I realize that arguing over rookie value and talent is a lost cause until we see how these guys turn out, but I will take issue about their WR depth. Without doing a search, can you name their #3 and #4 WR? Neither can I. They might not be well-known names, which isn't important, but I would also argue they're unspectacular. Now I love Driver, but the guy is a high-end #2 WR playing #1. Jennings is a WR 3, at best, probably geared for the slot. They need a #1/#2 WR badly. Whether Meachum, Davis, Gonzalez, etc could have filled that role, I'd give you a resounding "yes". More importantly, they'd have some experience under their belt for when Rodgers takes over.

 

Passing on Olsen was a good thing, I would agree. But they should have gone WR or safety-- both positions with incredible value left on the board at #16.

 

Their 2nd round pick was a mess any way you look at it. Of course it's speculation, but I believe Jackson would have been around well into the 3rd or later. He's not a bad pick, but he's a bad 2nd round pick.

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

Basically, Thompson is in a lose-lose. If he comes in and moves Brett, everyone hates him. If he builds the team as he sees fit, everyone questions him (except me and a few others).

 

He could have signed a few Free Agents. The Packers have 10s of millions under the cap.

[Mack 1 6]

I'm not sure Moss would've been willing to redo his deal to go to Green Bay -- even WITH a good QB. My hunch is the Pats have a better shot of winning a championship than our friends in Wisconsin.....which is what Moss wanted all along.

 

Personally, I hate that we have to sit through another season of is-he-or-is-he-not-coming-back shenanigans with Favre.

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

I'm not sure Moss would've been willing to redo his deal to go to Green Bay -- even WITH a good QB. My hunch is the Pats have a better shot of winning a championship than our friends in Wisconsin.....which is what Moss wanted all along.

 

Personally, I hate that we have to sit through another season of is-he-or-is-he-not-coming-back shenanigans with Favre.

 

You got his answer pretty quick this year.

[swamp dog 0]

I'm not sure Moss would've been willing to redo his deal to go to Green Bay -- even WITH a good QB. My hunch is the Pats have a better shot of winning a championship than our friends in Wisconsin.....which is what Moss wanted all along.

 

Personally, I hate that we have to sit through another season of is-he-or-is-he-not-coming-back shenanigans with Favre.

 

favre claims otherwise in this article. and he's in a better position to know then we are.

 

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...1/70512050/1989

[adam smitty 0]

If Thompson drives Favre out of GB, he's going to be a marked man. This situation doesnt sound too pretty right now.

 

I'm not sure Moss would've been willing to redo his deal to go to Green Bay -- even WITH a good QB. My hunch is the Pats have a better shot of winning a championship than our friends in Wisconsin.....which is what Moss wanted all along.

 

Personally, I hate that we have to sit through another season of is-he-or-is-he-not-coming-back shenanigans with Favre.

 

Rumor has it the only reason the Pack didnt get Moss is because Thompson wouldnt guarantee him a measley 3 million dollars. Favre apparently even offered to slash some of his salary if it would help bring Moss in. Thompson seems stuck on making this team slightly better in 5 years instead of helping them make a playoff push now. It's already feeling like a wasted season for GB.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Sources close to this and that say...this person says. Blah.

 

Sources also said the Moss deal to the Packers was a done deal months ago.

 

Take most of them with a grain of salt.

 

Especially those saying he wanted to be traded before the draft...before anyone really knew the deal with the Moss deal, before they drafted anyone...that is the part making this a bit unbelievable.

 

And as much as I like Brett, what value does he really have to other teams at this point? A late 30 year old QB who throws more INTs than TDs.

 

Seems he...Steve Young...and some other draft "experts" are all whining because the team did not draft just for Brett Favre. Ive got news for all of them...Ted Thompson's job is not to draft just for Brett Favre. Its to do what is best for the Green Bay Packers. Despite many people's opinions...even Brett Favre is not bigger than the Green Bay Packers.

 

I love him as a player, respect what he has done for the team. But he has maybe one year or two left in the tank.

 

Perhaps TT drafted all those defensive players to try and make up for all of the mistakes he makes on the field. Who knows.

 

I will enjoy the guy playing...but his thoughts how he would run things are pretty much ridiculous. That and I wonder how much of the Moss deal he really knows...and how much of it is a line of BS that his agent is giving him.

 

Point is we have so much money and we did nothing. NOTHING. OK Frank Walker!.....TT is too scared to stand by anything and make a move...he has no balls....He has done a great job giving the Packers a solid core of young talent, But our Off should be much better. I don't know why he didn't give us some help on O...we have bad TEs(bubba never was that good and has gotten worse) Our WRs are a mystery after Driver. and Our RBs include a 2nd reach in some people's mind and Morency. ...and he goes DT in the 1st, I just don't know where we will spend the millions we have in our pocket. MAKE SOME MOVES!!!...you don't have to break the bank on the best FAs but give us some vets somewhere in the linup.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Sho, Id like your opinion...

 

 

I don't want TT to draft for Favre. But I would like to give him some help.

 

If TT is doing things his way, then what do you think his views on Favre are? Why would he want Favre to stay around while he is building the D?...by the time the D improves we will have to groom an inexperienced QB, and we are back to square one.

 

Why wouldnt he tell Favre that it is time to hang them up and that Rodgers was to take over? If he isn't trying to somewhat win now then why would he hang on to Favre for a year or so and screw everything up down the road?

 

Rodgers looks like a total waste of pick by TT now. If TT is doing it his way then why wouldnt he give HIS guy a chance, and develop him by the time all of his young talent grows up?

 

It makes no sense to give Favre NO help and build other places, when QB will be a concern next year or the year after...

 

TT isnt taking a direction, rebuilding starts with the QB, TT is doing this all backwards.

 

I want Favre to stay around because I dont want to see a few 4-12 seasons back to back, however Id like teh Packers to improve with in the next 2 years and that wont happen if we are stuck with a QB with no playing time, even if our D is solid by then.

 

I used to be a pretty staunch Favre defender, but he's crossed the line for the last time with me. Hey Brett, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. You are not the GM.

 

And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

 

And did I see one legged D. Jackson mentioned? While I understand the sentinment, this isn't the same Jackson now.

 

And frankly, this team is still farther away from a Super Bowl run than Randy Moss. So let's not pretend he's a magic cure.

 

Kudos to Ted Thompson for building this team for the future, not for an attempted "one last run for Brett" campaign.

 

WOw total opposite, if TT was building for teh future and wanted to make a stand, he would get Favre out, but he doesnt have the balls. TT isnt doing anything. How do you keep a old QB, while you have a QB who you drafted in the 1st round a few years ago, when you are trying to build for the future? In a couple years TT will look so dumb for the Rodgers pick. If he doesn't already look that dumb now...

[BMoney 0]

they were dumb to pass on brady quinn....

 

that being said....favre SHOULD be ticked off...

 

i dont understand this whole build for the future mentality....

 

favre only has 1 more year left..this was said THREE years ago and running..so technically, THIS year is part of that future plan back then...

 

you arent building around brett...you are building around the qb position...

 

brett can make this work..to a degree..but hes brett...

 

if he struggles with it..and he will..what will a bum like rodgers do? die again after half a quarter?...

 

work on that HOF speech...the guy who presents him can say, one of the best of all time despite his team never going out of the way to help him..

 

I used to be a pretty staunch Favre defender, but he's crossed the line for the last time with me. Hey Brett, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. You are not the GM.

 

And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

 

And did I see one legged D. Jackson mentioned? While I understand the sentinment, this isn't the same Jackson now.

 

And frankly, this team is still farther away from a Super Bowl run than Randy Moss. So let's not pretend he's a magic cure.

 

Kudos to Ted Thompson for building this team for the future, not for an attempted "one last run for Brett" campaign.

 

they couldve picked up guys like Moss..Mcgahee etc..

 

this is all because of the bears.....the packers see the bears on top...winning with a stellar defense and a qb that belongs in the arena league and they figure..when its time for Rodgers...the offense will be lagging..but the D (that they are building up)...should be able to slow teams down and try to make it bears or ravens-like...

 

but they shouldnt model themselves after the bears...had the packers signed Moss..this wouldve brough other FAs to gb as well...

[mozzy84 0]

favre = I came back for this junk

 

The guy obviously can't hang it up when he should have long ago, you came back so suck it up and keep your big mouth shut.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

the most telling comment from favre, to me, is the "sometimes it's hard for them to let brett go." i've been saying this for two years to loud cat calls from the cheeseheads here: favre has been--and IS--holding the future of the organization hostage. the rebuilding is stunted with him staying there and the packer brass not having the balls to either ask him to leave or making him leave.

 

looks like brett is finally starting to force the hand.

 

Alot of folks have been saying it for awhile now.

 

What I find disturbing is that he now referring to himself in the third person.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Favre has stuck around for the last few years, dealing with "rebuilding" and lack of talent.....he has went through a couple average or bad seasons waiting. Why has TT kept him around for this?

 

TT has a plan for 2011 when Favre and the Fans have plans for a 2007 or 2008 run.

 

Why should Favre be mad? TT didnt want to give Moss the 3 million or give up a 4th round pick. That is being cheap!....Favre isn't asking for the draft to be all Off. He is asking to not have his 3rd 4th and 5th WRs named Carlyle Holliday and ruvall Martin, and when injury comes sometimes these guys are the #2s, not too mention non threats at TE...not too mention his long time RB in Green, where now the RB position is total ??? and lack of experience in blocking, not too mention he handled teh young Oline for the last 2 years well.

 

He has put up with lack of inexperience and talent on Off for the last 2 years, Id say he did quite well considering just a year or 2 before the young guys came in our Oline was great and our runn8ing game was among tops in teh league. Its silly to wonder why Favre wouldn't be mad. Unless TT told him straight out that we would rebuild for 3 or 4 years and that he wouldn't see any real upgarde in teh Off talent/experience for the next coupel year, he has every right to be mad. Im sure if he knew we would not only not gain talent or experience in the rebuilding process but actually have less this year, Im sure he wouldnt have came back. Im sure he figured after 2 years of rebuilding and struggles, the Packers would finally come together on Off. and a better situation than they did 2 years ago. In todays NFL it doesnt take 5 years to rebuild. this 3rd year should be the payoff year or at least a great improvment. We have been set back this year. It is TTs job to tell Favre about teh situation and where the team would be by now, obviously they both thought it would be at a different stage by now, and right there is where Favre retiring/staying comes into play.

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Favre is a great QB and a good guy, but he has really become an attention hound. After he led his team to victory over the Bears, who had already clinched, he acted like Lou Gehrig saying farewell at Yankee Stadium--except that Favre wasn't really even quitting, let alone dying. I was wondering when he'd try to cop some attention during the lull between the Pro Bowl and the start of training camp.

 

Showboat that he is, Favre is right, though. If Thompson is gearing up for a Super Bowl run in 2010, why keep Favre around? If he wants to contend seriously in 2007 while he still has his gifted QB, why don't his personnel moves reflect that?

 

It looks like we are once again going to be a dull team shooting for a wild card spot in our dull division. Thank God the Vikings and Lions are even more confused about what they're doing; it camouflages our own ineptitude.

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Alot of folks have been saying it for awhile now.

 

What I find disturbing is that he now referring to himself in the third person.

 

yeah, i had to do a double take on the quotes...i was like "is that favre's agent saying that?" nope, it's brett talking about brett. kinda funny.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I would agree that drafting for Favre alone wouldn't make sense, but c'mon-- how do you take (reach, actually) for a defensive tackle in the first, and a risky RB in the 2nd when there was so much better talent at offense available? So Favre retires after this season. Now you have Rodgers who will need some help.

 

Jackson may or may not work out. At best, he's part of a RBBC. But Driver's not gonna be around forever, Jennings is a #3 WR, and there's no TE really to speak of. They had so many opportunities to bring in some talent for both Favre and his successor, and they failed. I can see your argument with regard to Moss, who has maybe 3 years left. But D. Jackson was there, along with a couple lesser guys. At TE they could have had McMichael or the Patriots guy (can't think of his name currently).

 

I honestly believe Favre would have hung it up had he known what was going to transpire the few months after he committed to coming back. And I think the only reason he did that is because he got so much crap for waiting last year. Now he's stuck. And I don't blame him for being pissed.

 

 

I would not call Harrell that much of a reach. Without the injury his last year he would have most likely been higher rated than Okeye in this draft.

 

I don't think Jackson is any riskier than any other RB taken in the 2nd round. And no, I don't think there was this great deal of talent available when he was drafted.

 

If Favre retires...Rodgers help comes in the fact that he will not be forced to shoulder the load as TT is building up this defense first. That much has been obvious with the past 2 years of drafting and free agency (more so last year).

 

How is Jackson "at best" a part of RBBC. I would think, at best he shows he is fit perfectly for the system they are running. Though I think it will be more of an RBBC and I am perfectly fine with that. If it is used effectively of course.

 

TE right now they still have Franks...good blocker. Lee was decent 2 years ago...not sure how he forgot how to catch last year though.

 

D. Jackson was not a free agent. I have said I would have liked TT to go after him as I would have thought Seattle would have rather traded him to another team besides in their own division. Perhaps TT knew something about his health..I don't know. Maybe someone in Seattle warned him that all is not right with him. But for whatever reason, TT did not pursue him all that much.

 

I don't think they ever had a shot at McMichael uness they would have overpaid right off the bat. Notice he went to St. Louis to play for his old OC (Linehan).

 

The guy from the Patriots was way overpaid to go to Denver I think. No thanks.

[Sho Nuff 720]

so do you still think favre has a couple of years left in green bay and do you still feel rodgers should be moved?

 

logical possibility? yeah, bigfoot existing is a "logical possiblity." you're engagin in wild speculation because it's easier to think that someone else outside of the organization is responsible for this "ugliness" on favre's part and not the god favre.

 

that you have the nerve to chastize someone else while hanging your hat on that weak premise is amusing and entertaining.

 

bump.

 

:more popcorn:

 

I think Favre has a year or 2 left in the tank.

Where did I just feel that Rodgers needed to be moved? Care to go back and read what was actually written...rather than your poor twist of my words?

 

Care to point out where I ever jumped in and said Rodgers should be moved?

I stated...several times...that if Favre was as happy with the possible Moss deal as they were claiming...that he may just tell them that he will stay for 2 more years. Go take some classes in reading comprehension...learn how to read...then get back to us.

 

I don't think its all that wild of a speculation to think that a guys agent might make claims about what went on. I don't think my words were all that happy with what Brett has said. What I am saying is how the hell does he know what Moss was really offered by the team...and what they were really willing to do? Other than what he hears from his agent?

 

That you continue to grasp at straws without really having anything of substance or anything that could be considered an intelligent thought...is laughable...and about what is expected out of you. Perhaps the amount of times you were owned last week by numerous people because of your actual words wasn't enough for you...you thought you would try to set a new record in this thread.

 

 

from the article: "The shocking request appeared directly related to the team's inability to trade for WR Randy Moss."

 

it appears the main reason--or the proverbial straw, if you will--that set brett off was the packers inability to get moss (which, hey, i never liked moss but brett seems to have been touching his happy spot over him). i didn't see anything in the article that suggested favre didn't like the packers overall draft--other than they didn't give up the 4th for randy like new england did. thus i think the debate about the round 1 pick is irrelevant.

 

this all boils down to an institution in green bay--a guy on a god-like pedestal there, a guy who fans have sworn up and down will only ever bleed green and yellow blood--has come out publicly and been directly quoted (er, notice the quotation marks around his words in the article) and ripped the organization a new a-hole. bam.

 

all this other stuff about whether his agent brainwashed him or whether the packers should be criticized for drafting a dt in round 1 is completely and totally irrelevant.

 

Brainwashed? Who ever made that claim. Stops...looks at notes of swampdog101...yup...there it is.

When push comes to shove..swamp will incorrectly twist what someone actually said in order to try and make an argument. Because he really can't debate with things like actual words, facts, or logic.

 

 

i agree! but if it's a lose situation no matter what...maybe he should entertain trading him. gotta believe a contender in the afc would still pay a pretty high ransom for favre.

 

serious question: what's to stop brett from pulling a seau and and announcing his retirement this summer and then a week later signing with another team? (i'm not talking the ethics and whether he would---just the technical, legal aspects of it as a possibility.)

 

Which AFC contender do you see paying a high ransom on a 37 year old QB with a tendency to throw bad INTs when trying to make comebacks?

 

Real contenders....New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Indy, NY Jets, Cinci... All have established QBs or a young QB who they have alot of faith in (Rivers). Which do you see paying a high ransom. Even the next tier of teams...only KC or maybe Jacksonville stands out as a team that might look to get a QB...though I don't see either ready to make any big moves for an aging QB like Favre.

[XToday 0]

I'm not trying to legitimize any rumors of a Favre trade, and I'm probably going to get this a bit off-topic, but Favre doesn't necessarily have to be traded somewhere to help them win. Regardless of what you think of him these days, his name on a team roster will sell tickets. A team like Jacksonville, for instance, is desperate for someone to sell tickets. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hoff, I realize that arguing over rookie value and talent is a lost cause until we see how these guys turn out, but I will take issue about their WR depth. Without doing a search, can you name their #3 and #4 WR? Neither can I. They might not be well-known names, which isn't important, but I would also argue they're unspectacular. Now I love Driver, but the guy is a high-end #2 WR playing #1. Jennings is a WR 3, at best, probably geared for the slot. They need a #1/#2 WR badly. Whether Meachum, Davis, Gonzalez, etc could have filled that role, I'd give you a resounding "yes". More importantly, they'd have some experience under their belt for when Rodgers takes over.

 

Passing on Olsen was a good thing, I would agree. But they should have gone WR or safety-- both positions with incredible value left on the board at #16.

 

Their 2nd round pick was a mess any way you look at it. Of course it's speculation, but I believe Jackson would have been around well into the 3rd or later. He's not a bad pick, but he's a bad 2nd round pick.

 

#3-4 is probably Martin and Holliday right now. With Robinson being in the mix when he is back from suspension. Add in two rookies to compete there as well in Clowney and Jones.

 

Driver has proven he is a #1 WR. I don't know how anyone can knock the guy right now given his track record. Is it just that he is not big and tall? He puts up #1 numbers year after year. Did not even dropoff during Walker's breakout year.

 

Need a #1 badly? Why? Look at recent SB teams. How many of them had a stud star #1 WR. The Colts and Rams are the only recent winners to do that. Then look at the Pats, Ravens, Steelers (Ward is no different than Driver), Buccaneers.... It looks nice and flashy on stat sheets and in fantasy football...but it does not mean its the only way to win in the NFL.

 

I contend they merely needed someone to compliment Driver. Could have been Moss, could have been a guy like Drew Bennett...could even be a guy like Keyshawn. Driver is the #1 to all of those guys being the complimentary #2.

 

Is Meachem any better than what they already have on the team in Jennings, Martin, Holliday? I don't know that he is.

 

Safety? Of value at 16? There was nothing that was great value there at 16 for safety...same for WR IMO.

 

How is trading down and taking Jackson in the 2nd a mess any way you look at it. He is said to fit the zone blocking scheme. You can believe he would have been there in the 3rd...does not make it true.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He could have signed a few Free Agents. The Packers have 10s of millions under the cap.

 

Who would you have suggested that would have been such a help to this team?

[XToday 0]

Ok, Sho, I'll bite. So you are completely satisfied with Green Bay's team, and the offseason they had? You can honestly say with a straight face that their draft was good, that their WRs are fine, they don't need a TE because Franks can block, and that a 2nd round RB who few people had ever heard of, along with Morency, will replace Ahman Green, now or ever?

[donhaas 18]

 

Driver has proven he is a #1 WR. I don't know how anyone can knock the guy right now given his track record. Is it just that he is not big and tall? He puts up #1 numbers year after year. Did not even dropoff during Walker's breakout year.

 

 

I agree. That high-end #2 talk is poppycock.

I don't know what more the guy has to do.

 

2004 84 1208 14.4 9

2005 86 1221 14.2 5

2006 92 1295 14.1 8

[XToday 0]

"I don't know what more the guy has to do."

 

Umm... Put up numbers like that without Favre?

[Walter34 3]

It seems like the problem is and has been communication between Favre and team management. Neither ever seems to know what the other is planning. Favre stays assuming that the Pack is committed to short term success. TT allows Bret to do what he wants despite GB being in a long term planning mode. Neither seems to know what the other has in mind or they just outright ignore it.

 

The probelem with this is the big cap number that favre has carried. That has restricted the Pack somewhat in loading up with players that could be around for 4+ years. He's making around 10 million and if they werent in "go for it" mode, he has limited their ability to get big free agents and has also stunted rodgers development. TT is also snookered because he cant release a legend like Favre or he would be deadmeat to Pack fans. He likely wishes he would just hang them up so the Pack could just move on and rebuild with a vengence. The extra cash and qb development would be helpful now.

 

You would also think that the teams marquis player would be more in the know about the team direction. Why is he surprised at what management has done? That is the most puzzling thing. I'm not suggesting that Favre decides who they get, but any team captain or cornerstone generally has an idea of team direction and planned moves.

[swamp dog 0]

I think Favre has a year or 2 left in the tank.

Where did I just feel that Rodgers needed to be moved? Care to go back and read what was actually written...rather than your poor twist of my words?

 

Care to point out where I ever jumped in and said Rodgers should be moved?

I stated...several times...that if Favre was as happy with the possible Moss deal as they were claiming...that he may just tell them that he will stay for 2 more years. Go take some classes in reading comprehension...learn how to read...then get back to us.

 

I don't think its all that wild of a speculation to think that a guys agent might make claims about what went on. I don't think my words were all that happy with what Brett has said. What I am saying is how the hell does he know what Moss was really offered by the team...and what they were really willing to do? Other than what he hears from his agent?

 

That you continue to grasp at straws without really having anything of substance or anything that could be considered an intelligent thought...is laughable...and about what is expected out of you. Perhaps the amount of times you were owned last week by numerous people because of your actual words wasn't enough for you...you thought you would try to set a new record in this thread.

Brainwashed? Who ever made that claim. Stops...looks at notes of swampdog101...yup...there it is.

When push comes to shove..swamp will incorrectly twist what someone actually said in order to try and make an argument. Because he really can't debate with things like actual words, facts, or logic.

Which AFC contender do you see paying a high ransom on a 37 year old QB with a tendency to throw bad INTs when trying to make comebacks?

 

Real contenders....New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Indy, NY Jets, Cinci... All have established QBs or a young QB who they have alot of faith in (Rivers). Which do you see paying a high ransom. Even the next tier of teams...only KC or maybe Jacksonville stands out as a team that might look to get a QB...though I don't see either ready to make any big moves for an aging QB like Favre.

 

"For the Packers...Id like that deal.

 

Rodgers has been around, and while Id love to have him stay and see what he can do, he does not appear to be a long term solution or anything spectacular.

 

Getting Moss and a decent TE would be a solid deal."--sho, march 15, 2007.

 

you were not only ready to sign off on booting rodgers out of green bay, you have clearly stated rodgers isn't the "long-term solution" in green bay or "anything special."

 

"how the hell do we know" what moss was offered by green bay? come on, now. this is the second time in this thread you've clung to this idiotic weak argument. so you're calling brett a liar? lol...you're really distancing yourself now. that's cold.

 

if i have to spell it out for you how brett could know what he knows about the situation...well, you're really not worth the bother.

 

as for trading, the true contenders will rightly believe that favre in a good lineup with good weapons can still get it done. hey, i don't know if that's true or not...but someone would bite based on that logic--probably at least a #1 pick and *maybe* more if two or more teams get in on the action. so not only is brett a liar, by your definition, he's old and an int machine. ouch...man, are you mr. fickle or what. maybe brett could be ground up for pet food or something, eh? guess you're starting to come around to my preseason 2005 way of thinking: favre should have retired then to expedite the rebuilding process. instead the packers are not-so-secretly trying to rebuild while the big white elephant in the room (mr. favre) keeps wondering why nobody in the front office is freshening his drink.

 

this is pretty bad (again), even for you, sho.

[BMoney 0]

all i know is....

 

the packers only missed the playoffs by 1 game...

 

it isnt a stretch to think that Moss and/or a FA rb wouldve been enough to get that 1 needed win to get in...

 

im not saying that go far or even win a playoff game..just saying theyd have a good chance to get in....

 

plus 3 factors...(1 thats still in play)...

 

1- 2 games with moss on gb vs minny...must see...

 

2- training camp with moss and the FA rb...a lot of fun to see..if anything, favre would be like a lil kid again with a new toy...

 

3- moss and favre would excite fantasy players...(this one is in play as it excites those who think of drafting brady and moss)...

 

its also like the Cubs syndrome here...when u talk about favre or moss selling tix..games are already sold out..it wouldnt anything to that..except jersey sales..