Hester to move from special teams to WR

[djrockstar 0]

Is he no more than a Dante Hall or could Devin Hester be worthy of a late round pick for a flex WR slot? Are there some other notable CB's or kick return guys that transitioned into a starting WR slot and had a breakout year?

 

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Record-setting kick returner moving to offense for Bears

May 14, 2007

 

LAKE FOREST, Ill. (AP) -- Devin Hester is taking his game-breaking skills to the Chicago Bears' offense.

 

Hester set an NFL record last year for kick returns for touchdowns, and he started off the Super Bowl with a 92-yard kickoff runback for a touchdown. He rarely played on anything but special teams, though, and when he did, it was as a cornerback.

 

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Now, the Bears will try him as a wide receiver.

 

Coach Lovie Smith said Monday the All-Pro return specialist will make the switch beginning with the upcoming minicamp.

 

"I think Devin Hester is one of the most exciting players in the NFL with his hands on the football," Smith told ChicagoBears.com. "I think he would be an excellent defensive back, also. We just feel that this is in the best interest of us and him for him to achieve his full potential as a football player."

 

Smith also expects to use Hester in the backfield at times.

 

"Right now we're not going to put any limits on it," Smith said. "We have a new piece to the puzzle. We're anxious to see what we can do with him and the role that he'll develop into.

 

"There are a lot of different ways we can go. You can make a case for him being a slot receiver. You can make a case for him being a single receiver when we go to our two-tight end, two-running back packages. You can make a case for him from the running back position.

 

"He's an offensive weapon right now. That's the only limit we put on him."

 

In college for the Miami Hurricanes, Hester played receiver, running back, cornerback and returned kicks. The Bears chose him in the second round of the 2006 draft with the idea he could play either offense or defense, but would see much time on special teams.

 

He was sensational as a kick returner, with three punts run back for touchdowns and a 12.8-yard average, and two touchdowns and a 26.4-yard average on kickoff returns. Against the Rams, he had two returns for scores, and against the Giants he went 108 yards with a missed field goal.

 

Hester was not thinking about moving to offense.

 

"We had several meetings until I just really said that there's no I in team, and however I can help the team I'm willing to do it," Hester said. "It's going to be a great experience. I'm just going to go over there and try to give a little spark to the offense. There will be more opportunities to make big plays and I think it's a great idea."

 

So does offensive coordinator Ron Turner, who used Hester for just one play on offense last season. He couldn't handle a low pass from Rex Grossman on that play.

 

"I've been recruiting him for about 13 months and I finally got him," Turner said. "He's an elite player when he gets the ball in his hands, and I'm excited about the opportunity to help him get the ball in his hands -- not just returning punts and kickoffs, which is a few times a game. Hopefully we can get it in his hands five, six seven times different ways."

[swamp dog 0]

one small problem: he has bricks for hands.

 

other than that...

[WKTSWAY 0]

He led the league in TD's per touch (over LT)

 

 

But, he also led the league in fumbles per touch.

 

If he's able to get in the open with screen passes, he could do well on offense. Otherwise, he will just cause turnovers.

[t.j 35]

Devin Hester is a lot bigger than Dante Hall. That will serve him well if he makes the move. I think it would be a mistake for the Bears to de-emphasize his return role at this stage, though. Keep getting him practice reps at WR, but he shouldn't be getting more than specialty-situation reps at WR in the games for the next few years. There are a lot of guys who started out as return men and became good WRs, but it was never because of speed alone, and it didn't usually happen very quickly. Hester was not a productive WR in college, so what makes the Bears think he will suddenly succeed there in the pros?

[My_Dixie_Normus 0]

The guy did not just unhinge himself from the crucifix, climb down, walk across water and split the Red Seas to gather loafs and fishes for the masses. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here folks. The Bears need some good pub to go along with the dragged out Lovie contract, the Jets picking their pocket on the Jones trade and the Briggs PR disaster. This is just Jerry Angelo standing at the balcony blowing kisses to the faithful in St. Peter's Basilica. They will play with the idea to generate ticket sales for Bearsmania or whatever season ticket holder festival they have in Chicago just before the season ticket holder invoices go out.

 

Or perhaps I am just trying to get Hester to fall to me in the first round.... MMMMMMMWAHAHAHHAHHAHA. You never know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vikings4ever 568]

The only way he's worth a draft pick is:

1. You're in a very deep league, and

2. Individual players get points for return yards and TDs

[The Hood 9]

Devin Hester is a lot bigger than Dante Hall. That will serve him well if he makes the move. I think it would be a mistake for the Bears to de-emphasize his return role at this stage, though. Keep getting him practice reps at WR, but he shouldn't be getting more than specialty-situation reps at WR in the games for the next few years. There are a lot of guys who started out as return men and became good WRs, but it was never because of speed alone, and it didn't usually happen very quickly. Hester was not a productive WR in college, so what makes the Bears think he will suddenly succeed there in the pros?

 

Because he also wasn't a productive CB in college and didn't show he could succeed there in the pros either. They need to pretend he atleast has a real position.

[taxicab823 0]

well if he plays well in preseason and we know for sure he will be get some decent time as a WR and i was well stocked in that position i would consider him for a possible late round pick.

[pimptastic69 0]

The only way he's worth a draft pick is:

1. You're in a very deep league, and

2. Individual players get points for return yards and TDs

 

 

Also, if I was to pick up the Bears DST, I'd get to double dip on the TD's.

[jocstrap 8]

What if they are trying to get the ball in his hands 5-7 times per game on offense?his stats could look something like this:

 

5 receptions for 72 yards and 1 td

or 3 rushes for 13 yards, 4 receptions for 25 yards, and 0 td's - -- -But 7 touches

 

I think if they use Hester in a WR set like NO did with Bush, then I could see some value. He was scoring very very long TD's on special teams. He obviously can make people miss when given the chance. Now he only has to worry about making a DB or safety miss.

 

I could see 6 offensive td's from him if the Bears come up with some nice schemes and use him correctly. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on him as your 5th or 6th wr.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I doubt his offensive play would add any value at this point.

 

IMO, if they want to use him...design a few plays to get him the ball...or use him as a decoy. In the manner that the Titans did with PacMan a few plays every game. Just something to keep defenses off-balance.

[Yippie Skippy 0]

When you have the best kick returner in the world, why would you want to do anything that may change that??

 

Asking a player to play a position he has never played in the NFL, and different side of the ball, increases risk to injury.

 

Hester returning kicks in december and the playoffs is more important than Hester playing WR in preseason and September.

[WKTSWAY 0]

What if they are trying to get the ball in his hands 5-7 times per game on offense?his stats could look something like this:

 

5 receptions for 72 yards and 1 td

or 3 rushes for 13 yards, 4 receptions for 25 yards, and 0 td's - -- -But 7 touches

 

I could see 6 offensive td's from him if the Bears come up with some nice schemes and use him correctly. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on him as your 5th or 6th wr.

 

You forgot the fumble per game too.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Maybe Yahoo will let you use him as a TE...?

[mozzy84 0]

What if they are trying to get the ball in his hands 5-7 times per game on offense?his stats could look something like this:

 

5 receptions for 72 yards and 1 td

or 3 rushes for 13 yards, 4 receptions for 25 yards, and 0 td's - -- -But 7 touches

 

I think if they use Hester in a WR set like NO did with Bush, then I could see some value. He was scoring very very long TD's on special teams. He obviously can make people miss when given the chance. Now he only has to worry about making a DB or safety miss.

 

I could see 6 offensive td's from him if the Bears come up with some nice schemes and use him correctly. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance on him as your 5th or 6th wr.

bush has great hands and can catch anything thrown his way, hester has hands of stone thats the big big problem. I just don't see a way the bears offense could possibly get him even an average of 2 catches a game. I think this hurts his value in real life as a kick returner if they do this.

[jocstrap 8]

bush has great hands and can catch anything thrown his way, hester has hands of stone thats the big big problem. I just don't see a way the bears offense could possibly get him even an average of 2 catches a game. I think this hurts his value in real life as a kick returner if they do this.

 

 

All I'm looking for is a player getting an opportunity. If he shows he can get the ball 5-7 times on offense, that's what I'm trying to ge a feel for. If he gets those chances as a WR screen, that could be exciting. Give him 5 of those a game and I bet he could put up decent numbers as your #5/6 wr. It's possibly worth the gamble after the 13th round.

[Walter34 3]

I'd like him to be used on just a few plays, as a gadget or change up. An end around or quick screen maybe.

 

They shouldnt mess with the kick returning.

[t.j 35]

All I'm looking for is a player getting an opportunity. If he shows he can get the ball 5-7 times on offense, that's what I'm trying to ge a feel for. If he gets those chances as a WR screen, that could be exciting. Give him 5 of those a game and I bet he could put up decent numbers as your #5/6 wr. It's possibly worth the gamble after the 13th round.

 

There is no way Hester is going to get the ball 5-7 times per game as a WR.

[jocstrap 8]

There is no way Hester is going to get the ball 5-7 times per game as a WR.

 

Well you never know? You think they are going to move him to the position to wear him out and work as a decoy? If the coaches are moving him to WR, they want to make him part of the equation. 5 times is only 1.25 touches per quarter - - basically one play a quarter. Or three touches the first half, two the second. That doesn't sound like that much unless the Bears go 3 and out too much. Maybe they are adding Hester to this so three and outs don't happen too much

 

This post surprises me also, but if coaches want him to touch the ball....well he's going to touch the ball . I didn't make the comment, just responding to it.

 

Or stop talking Jocstrap b/c you're not making any sense

[remote controller 143]

The only way he's worth a draft pick is:

1. You're in a very deep league, and

2. Individual players get points for return yards and TDs

:bowdown:

[swamp dog 0]

Well you never know? You think they are going to move him to the position to wear him out and work as a decoy? If the coaches are moving him to WR, they want to make him part of the equation. 5 times is only 1.25 touches per quarter - - basically one play a quarter. Or three touches the first half, two the second. That doesn't sound like that much unless the Bears go 3 and out too much. Maybe they are adding Hester to this so three and outs don't happen too much

 

This post surprises me also, but if coaches want him to touch the ball....well he's going to touch the ball . I didn't make the comment, just responding to it.

 

Or stop talking Jocstrap b/c you're not making any sense

 

it doesn't sound like much to you because you haven't done the math: 5 times is 80 catches/touches a year...7 is 112.

 

whoever posted hester's going to see 5-7 touches on offense per game deserves to be called out on that number--let alone saying at those numbers a guy'd make a great 5-6 wr

 

look: this is nothing but a pre-training camp novelty idea that's not going anywhere of any substance in relation to ff. the guy has horrible hands. they might wheel him out there now and again for the novelty effect of it...but *yawn* there's nothing to see here.

[Walter34 3]

it doesn't sound like much to you because you haven't done the math: 5 times is 80 catches/touches a year...7 is 112.

 

whoever posted hester's going to see 5-7 touches on offense per game deserves to be called out on that number--let alone saying at those numbers a guy'd make a great 5-6 wr

 

look: this is nothing but a pre-training camp novelty idea that's not going anywhere of any substance in relation to ff. the guy has horrible hands. they might wheel him out there now and again for the novelty effect of it...but *yawn* there's nothing to see here.

 

While I agree that he is the very definition of project and is nowhere near capable of much at this point, but its not a novelty. The guy is one of the most talented open field runners and its the correct move to get him the ball once in awhile. His problem is the fumbles and that he is very undisciplined. He should be used sparingly once or twice a game for a gadget or as a decoy, but he is a gamebreaker and likely will have an impact. Just nothing to consider for FF unless its a last round flyer.

[t.j 35]

There is no way Hester is going to get the ball 5-7 times per game as a WR.

Well you never know? You think they are going to move him to the position to wear him out and work as a decoy? If the coaches are moving him to WR, they want to make him part of the equation. 5 times is only 1.25 touches per quarter - - basically one play a quarter. Or three touches the first half, two the second. That doesn't sound like that much unless the Bears go 3 and out too much. Maybe they are adding Hester to this so three and outs don't happen too much

 

WRs who touched the ball 5 times per game last year:

Andre Johnson

Mike Furrey

Marvin Harrison

Torry Holt

Donald Driver

Laveranues Coles

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Chad Johnson

Reggie Wayne

Terrell Owens

Anquan Boldin

Steve Smith

Lee Evans

Jerricho Cotchery

Roy Williams

Marques Colston

Larry Fitzgerald

 

That's 17 guys on 12 different teams. A pretty select group.

That tells me to get the ball 5 times per game as a WR, you'd better:

A. be on a team that passes a lot (which the Bears aren't)

B. have the skills to excel at a lot more routes than little screen passes and go routes (which he doesn't)

 

And since you mentioned it, yes, I do think that if Hester is on the field on offense, it will often be as a decoy. That's the way the Raiders used to use Charles Woodson... put him at WR for about 5-6 plays per game, throw him the ball on maybe 1-2 short passes and use him as a decoy most of the time. I'm not saying the Bears necessarily have the same plan for Hester, but that's a lot more likely than him being a regular target in the passing game.

[jocstrap 8]

Watch out Jocstrap - - the big boys are all over your case.

 

Berrian is legit and deserves respect - I like his speed

Muhammad - with his 60 catches, 860ish yards and 6 td's doesn't scare me

Bradley can't stay healthy

Rasheid Davis is not a #3 Wr

Desmond Clark is solid

 

 

Why not put a Hester in the slot and see what he can do. This offense could explore the idea as Hester in at WR.

 

5X16 = 80 catches a year and no way in hell I think he will do that. I isn't dat tupid. I do think the opportunity for 5 balls to go his way a game are there. One end around, 2 quick screens, two random plays - - or is that not an option. I dindn't say every pass was going to be completed either. I know I threw the word opportunity(ies) in there in the context somewhere. I also said after the 13th round.

 

Never try to argue with the big boys Jocstrap - - Are the coaches going to make a serious effort at this? Or is it a preseason bluff? Who knows but it's fun to toy with it. It's May boys lighten up and just pretend with me

[t.j 35]

I dindn't say every pass was going to be completed either. I know I threw the word opportunity(ies) in there in the context somewhere.

 

Actually, you you said this: "If he shows he can get the ball 5-7 times on offense"

If the pass is not completed then he didn't get the ball. If you meant 5-7 opportunities per game, then that's more reasonable, but it's not what you said.

 

Even so, I don't see him getting 5 opportunities per game. Lets look at Dante Hall, a guy the Chiefs have tried to use as a legit WR, and also a guy who gets thrown the kind of screen passes that we can expect Hester to start out with... in '05 he had 51 targets (34 receptions) and 7 carries, for a total of 58 "opportunities. In '03 he had 40 receptions (don't know how many targets but let's guess 60) and 16 carries. So that's probably around 76 opportunities, getting close to what you were thinking for Hester. But consider: In '03, Dante Hall was a 4th-year WR, and it was his 2nd year being really involved in the offense. Plus Hall had more offensive touches in one bowl game in college than Hester did in his entire last year of college, I think. There is no way Hester is going to come out of nowhere as a 2nd year player with no offensive experience and see as much action as Hall did that year. Furthermore, the '03 Chiefs were #2 in the NFL that year in yards per game, and #1 in the NFL in first downs per game, there were plenty of opportunities to go around on that team. Chicago's offense isn't that good, they run significantly fewer plays. And furthermore Chicago's isn't the type of offense that lends itself to running a lot of plays of the type that you described. KC's offense was all about misdirection. Chicago is a pound it up the middle and throw downfield team. I would say the upper limit for Hester this year is 2-3 opportunities per game. Maybe once in a blue moon he will touch the ball 5 times on offense in the same game.

 

Now back to what you said about the Bears other receiving targets. I'll grant you that they aren't the greatest group ever assembled, but if you think Hester is going to come in and be a better offensive weapon than any of these guys right away (let alone most of them), you are sorely mistaken. It's not as easy as it looks. Keep in mind, Chicago did get to the Super Bowl with that group you are so not enamored with.

 

Also, please stop talking to yourself. I mean, WTF!

[jocstrap 8]

Actually, you you said this: "If he shows he can get the ball 5-7 times on offense"

If the pass is not completed then he didn't get the ball. If you meant 5-7 opportunities per game, then that's more reasonable, but it's not what you said.

 

Even so, I don't see him getting 5 opportunities per game. Lets look at Dante Hall, a guy the Chiefs have tried to use as a legit WR, and also a guy who gets thrown the kind of screen passes that we can expect Hester to start out with... in '05 he had 51 targets (34 receptions) and 7 carries, for a total of 58 "opportunities. In '03 he had 40 receptions (don't know how many targets but let's guess 60) and 16 carries. So that's probably around 76 opportunities, getting close to what you were thinking for Hester. But consider: In '03, Dante Hall was a 4th-year WR, and it was his 2nd year being really involved in the offense. Plus Hall had more offensive touches in one bowl game in college than Hester did in his entire last year of college, I think. There is no way Hester is going to come out of nowhere as a 2nd year player with no offensive experience and see as much action as Hall did that year. Furthermore, the '03 Chiefs were #2 in the NFL that year in yards per game, and #1 in the NFL in first downs per game, there were plenty of opportunities to go around on that team. Chicago's offense isn't that good, they run significantly fewer plays. And furthermore Chicago's isn't the type of offense that lends itself to running a lot of plays of the type that you described. KC's offense was all about misdirection. Chicago is a pound it up the middle and throw downfield team. I would say the upper limit for Hester this year is 2-3 opportunities per game. Maybe once in a blue moon he will touch the ball 5 times on offense in the same game.

 

Now back to what you said about the Bears other receiving targets. I'll grant you that they aren't the greatest group ever assembled, but if you think Hester is going to come in and be a better offensive weapon than any of these guys right away (let alone most of them), you are sorely mistaken. It's not as easy as it looks. Keep in mind, Chicago did get to the Super Bowl with that group you are so not enamored with.

 

Also, please stop talking to yourself. I mean, WTF!

 

 

Didn't the chiefs have Priest Holmes rushing the BAll with his 20+ td's. Then a Tandem of Priest L.J? And the best offensive line in the whole NFL? No need to get Hall the Ball that often. Now are you saying that the Bears rushing attack and offensive line are even in the same league as the chiefs when Priest was running and then when LJ first stepped on the scene?

 

I never said Hester was going to be a BETTER offensive weapon - no. I think he could be an exciting option for 5-7 OPPORTUNITIES a game and see what happens yes.

 

Now here is what I would do to you opposing coach T.J. :

Game 1: put Hester in 6 random times throughout the game

each time he is in - throw or hand the ball to him

6-6 chances in game one.

 

Game 2: Put Hester in the exact same formation 6 times and bluff all six plays to him giving him 0 opportunities, opening up your other targets for a high percentage play

 

Game 3: Put Hester in and then what am I going to do Now you can talk about misdirection and hopefully gaining a few more 1st downs.

 

I guarantee when Hester is on the field, that will make an opposing def coordinator nervous.

[49ER MAN 0]

He may be worth a very late round flier but that's about all and in my auction league, if he's nominated, he'll go for $1.

[t.j 35]

Didn't the chiefs have Priest Holmes rushing the BAll with his 20+ td's. Then a Tandem of Priest L.J? And the best offensive line in the whole NFL? No need to get Hall the Ball that often. Now are you saying that the Bears rushing attack and offensive line are even in the same league as the chiefs when Priest was running and then when LJ first stepped on the scene?

 

Your logic is flawed. Yes, Kansas City had a better running game, no that did not mean fewer opportunities for Hall. Kansas City still threw 339 complete passes that season. Chicago only completed 282 passes last year. Along with having more of a high-percentage passing attack than Chicago does, the Chiefs' success running the ball allowed them to execute more plays which resulted in more opportunities for Hall.

 

I never said Hester was going to be a BETTER offensive weapon - no. I think he could be an exciting option for 5-7 OPPORTUNITIES a game and see what happens yes.

 

Yes, I agree that you did not specifically say that Hall would be a better offensive weapon. But, that certainly seemed to be the direction you were going in by categorizing Chicago's current weapons as bad. My point in response is that as bad as you may think Chicago's skill players may be, they are still more effective on the field on offense than Hester is.

 

Now here is what I would do to you opposing coach T.J. :

Game 1: put Hester in 6 random times throughout the game

each time he is in - throw or hand the ball to him

6-6 chances in game one.

 

Game 2: Put Hester in the exact same formation 6 times and bluff all six plays to him giving him 0 opportunities, opening up your other targets for a high percentage play

 

Game 3: Put Hester in and then what am I going to do Now you can talk about misdirection and hopefully gaining a few more 1st downs.

 

I guarantee when Hester is on the field, that will make an opposing def coordinator nervous.

 

First of all, what good does he do fantasy owners if he makes 6 plays in the first game when no one started him, then everyone starts him and he makes 0 plays? Wonderful.

 

Second of all, it just doesn't work that way. Gadget plays and decoys have their place in the game, but a guy has to bring more to the table than that or he is not going to stay on the field.

 

Thirdly, even for your scenario to play out, you're basically assuming that the 6 plays in the first game where he does get the ball are going to be effective. (Not a safe assumption.) Then you're assuming that down the road, teams are going to be simultaneously scared that they are going to get toasted if they don't focus their attention on Hester, and scared that they will get burned if they do. That's what every offensive coordinator wants to accomplish with every great offensive player!! But it's not that easy!! A guy has to bring a lot to the table to cause a defense that kind of anguish, and Hester does not have enough to bring to the table! I don't care how much speed he has. He is not going to make defensive coordinators lose sleep like you think he is.

[jocstrap 8]

 

 

He is not going to make defensive coordinators lose sleep like you think he is.

 

Didn't I see opposing kickers kick the ball out of bounds to prevent him from touching the ball? 7 td's and some of them incredible. Oh I think he gets noticed when he's on the field. How the heck do you know what he's going to do as a receiver or what the coaches have in store for him? You know if he's going to be an actual target followed up by a decoy. Oh please almighty poster, tell me how you know this information. Tell me in detail what the Chicago's offensive coordinator has in store for Hester? What plays do you think he is drawing up in his mind daily? None b/c Hester is not going to touch the ball .

 

You can GUARANTEE me he won't be targeted 5 times in a game? So the origanal title says Hester moving to WR. Why then? Cause he brings no options to the table.

 

I'm not the one that said he's moving to the WR position b/c that's what's best for our team.

[t.j 35]

Didn't I see opposing kickers kick the ball out of bounds to prevent him from touching the ball?

 

Was that him playing offense? No, it wasn't. I know you know that, but you don't seem to understand it.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Hester is the FASTEST player EVER in Madden. I think that alone is worthy of a high round pick in ffb.

 

I know this should probably go on the "Help" bored, but what do you guys think of this drafting strategy:

Rd1: Tom Brady (should have the awesomest QB season of all time in all probability)

Rd2: Neil Rackers (this will prompt an early run on kickers and leave me some sweet RBs)

Rd3: Devin Hester (although, maybe the Bears will let him kick too, so then I can pick up a TE in Rd2)

 

It's a 12 team re-draft. Thanks.

[xenophobe 1]

He's a long shot to have any value as FFB WR. Route running, hands, these are all questions and we're not talking about a position that guys learn to play at a productive NFL level over night. It takes time even with polished college receivers.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Hester is the FASTEST player EVER in Madden. I think that alone is worthy of a high round pick in ffb.

 

I know this should probably go on the "Help" bored, but what do you guys think of this drafting strategy:

Rd1: Tom Brady (should have the awesomest QB season of all time in all probability)

Rd2: Neil Rackers (this will prompt an early run on kickers and leave me some sweet RBs)

Rd3: Devin Hester (although, maybe the Bears will let him kick too, so then I can pick up a TE in Rd2)

 

It's a 12 team re-draft. Thanks.

 

Rounds two and three, you're gold. I'd wait on Brady until word comes down that the Pats have signed Keyshawn & Antonio Bryant. Until then, you might consider Jay Cutler, who is poised to challenge for the awesomest season title.

[jocstrap 8]

Was that him playing offense? No, it wasn't. I know you know that, but you don't seem to understand it.

 

 

What is wrong with a flier after the 13TH ROUND? I'm not saying I will, but I'll wait to see how the camps and preseason games are going. It's only one of many options out there on the table

[jocstrap 8]

We have confirmation baby - - 4th series of the game

 

Hester 12 yard gain

[RicemanX 20]

he might get some decent numbers this year. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

but i wouldn't pick him before the 12th round.

[jocstrap 8]

he might get some decent numbers this year. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

but i wouldn't pick him before the 12th round.

 

 

Nor did I. But he's fun to have on my team way way deep - - JUST IN CASE

[jocstrap 8]

Two receptiona this evening

 

I hope everyone is drafting him if they are in a 20 man redraft league:) - - Take this guy after the 13th round

[Pigskin Porkers 0]

Two receptiona this evening

 

I hope everyone is drafting him if they are in a 20 man redraft league:) - - Take this guy after the 13th round

 

 

I think he will only have value if you're in a 14+ team league that counts return yards.....as a flex...aka #4 or # 5 WR.

[jocstrap 8]

I think he will only have value if you're in a 14+ team league that counts return yards.....as a flex...aka #4 or # 5 WR.

 

Yes you are probably right - but it's still fun to talk about him!