Tony Romo versus CHI DEF

[mdm_1971 0]

I'm going to stop you right here...so Rivers isn't as good as Romo because Rivers had a better RB? Uhm, didn't Rivers also have a WR corps of Gates, Vincent Jackson, and Eric Parker?

 

I think a QB might benefit a little from having a better WR corps, and I think it's fairly obvious that Owens/Glenn/Crayton(Hurd) is better than any trio of WRs that SD threw out at any time last year. And Rivers still had a great season.

 

Sorry - we can argue about projections all we want, but when you play the "but he had LT" card, I'd say the "but he had Owens/Glenn" card trumps it.

here are some #s from this year since last time I checked last year doesnt count anymore

Romo --- 531 passing yards 6tds and 1 int.......119.3 rating

Rivers--- 369 passing yards 2 tds 3 ints...... 73.7 rating

T.O ----- 8 rec. 184 yrds 3tds

Gates---16 rec. 184 trds 3 tds

j.j/mbIII--252 rush yrds.

Lt.....68 yrds rushing

so where do the #s support that San Diego is much better offense the Dallas...... please let me know.....last year doesnt count, because the Saints had a great offense last year but look at them and they have not played great defenses........by the way the jets put up the same amount of poins as san diego against new england....rivers and pennington had almost identical #s and the jets had 26 more yards against the same new england team.... so going off #s and same opponents the jets look to be equal to the Chargers.......

really though i do not think the jets are the same as the chargers but these are #s to go off of you can not say that because last year san diego scored 31 points on average a game they will this year it doesnt work like that and remember a new coach this year..........remember the 85 bears they dominated then the next year not so much.......new year new defenses

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

last year doesnt count, because

 

I stopped reading here, because this seems to be where you stopped being logical.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

as a cowboy fan i'm a little apprehensive about this game... everyone is really confident, but that first win vs the giants was unimpressive... the offense has rolled all season, but the D is a major ?

 

plus with ferguson out they will have problems stopping the run... can't defend the run or pass??? smells bad to me.. call me crazy but i'm worried about the bears going up a score or two early... then romo having to inch the cowboys back into the game...

 

if we roll it'd be great... but everyone just seems overconfident here... how about the under though 42... seems like a good bet to me

 

I agree - I look at what Eli was able to do hen the Cowboys had a 17-6 lead headed into the half...2 min drill and the Pokes D got pwnd. The NYG marched straight up the field and put it in Burress' hands in the corner of the end zone.

 

And the NYG O-Line isn't exactly all world - in fact they aren't very good. There was zero pressure. If Grossman has that kind of breathing room, the Cowboys are sunk.

 

Overconfident cowboys fans are running rampant in here, but there are a few reasonable ones. I think they have a chance, but all this talk about blowing away the Bears in Chicago is just silly.

[NAn 39]

I stopped reading here, because this seems to be where you stopped being logical.

 

Classic evasion of arguement: discount arguement as 'silly' and 'ridiculous' with a condensing tone without actually addressing the arguement.

 

I don't care either way, but you've stated nothing but your opinion and one stat of avg pts scored last year by a different coaching staff...very impressive arguements.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I think Romo will put up serviceable stats. 200 yard and a 1-2TD's with 2 picks. If he doesn't put up these numbers, they will be guaranteed worse... not better.

 

However, I think that the Bears will completely destroy the cowboys 41-17.

 

There isn't any team in the NFC on the same level as the Bears. That is a fact. People have some strange hatred for the Bears for some reason and continue to doubt them, despite the fact that every time they answer those doubts.

 

Rex this rex that, it doesnt matter. I guarantee you that the Bears will crush the Cowboys. What elite, or even DECENT, team have the Cowboys played to prove otherwise.

 

FYI I am a Romo owner and I benched him for Jason Campell this week.

 

How did that Campbell for Romo work for you?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I think you're thinking too much. Manny Lawson is out for the season with a torn ACL, and he represented a significant part of the Niners pass rush. Granted the Niners secondary is stout right now, but the Bears will be pressuring Romo all day. Romo's strength (per Phillips) is the roll-out, buy time, find the open receiver. With the Bears those will become sacks, throwing the ball away and possibly worse (ints & FLs)

 

I wouldn't start Romo this week. Defense wins football games. The Bears aren't an offensive juggernaught, but against the porous Cowbows secondary they won't have to be. They'll run and pass enough to get it going this week. I think Moose is a sneaky sleepy play in this game.

 

 

Glad I didn't listen to you nobs.

 

Romo = stud......never to be benched. never.

[devius 4]

Romo looks very impressive against a great Chi D. Romo is the real thing. my_2_cents is going to have to eat some crow on this one.

[FrankRizzo 0]

thank gawd i talked myself in keeping romo on his pedestal ... and being right!!

 

Big Ben had the typical almost 200 and 1 TD as predicted .... AND Romo was looking like his minimum of Ben #s at the half, hence the UPSIDE of one more half of potential scoring on one TIRED and BEATIN DOWN chicago D.

 

Romo, you will forever be in the QB starting role, no freaking doubt about it!

[HenryChinaski 1]

I think the Cowboys handle these guys. Dallas is going to want to show that they are now the team to beat in the NFC.

 

I'm guessing that Chicago would be able to hang if Rexy wasn't their QB..

 

But since he is - He'll turn the ball over a few times - leading to a few Dallas scores - that will prove to be a few too many.

 

Dallas is for real. They really are. But just to make this clear: By no means am I a Dallas homer, or a fan, I just think they're a well built team. Romo, MB3, TO, and Witten will be too much for them.

 

Dallas will come out swinging, put some points on the board - then all the pressure will be on Grossman. Demarcus Ware will then be in his face, play after play, until he makes a mistake. Then that sequence will repeat itself until the game is out of reach.

 

Dallas 31 Chicago 14

 

I know that seems like alot of points for anyone to score on Chicago - but with Rexy being forced to try and win the game - he will hand a couple scores to Dallas.

 

Tony Romo - 290 yards - 3 TDs 1 int.

Marion Barber - 90 yards rushing - 45 yards receiving - 1TD

Terrell Owens - 110 yards - 2 TDs

Jason Witten - 80 yards - 1 TD

 

I think I was pretty close

[FlaHawker 24]

 

Romo about to face his stiffest test of year

 

Bears' defense likely the best he has seen

You definitely know an overhyped team when you see one. Unfortuantely for you, its the Bears

[itsbigmoni 1]

You guys are all wrong. Romo's best asset is the fact he can avoid the rush with his legs but that won't work against the Bears.

 

Umm....

 

Isn't that exactly what worked best?

[rallo 136]

beating a dead horse here, but i am a cowboys fan, and i was pretty scared about this game...

 

one obvious observation from this game... the bears D can keep them in ANY game... problem is with erratic QB play they will NOT come from behind... bears are probably one of the scariest teams if they are beating you by 7... but if they are down by 7 or more and you aren't the arizona cardinals they won't be able to come back...

 

looking forward to see how they do with griese...

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Please do, because I have yet to be wrong in the realm of fantasy advice. Obviously there is always a first time, given my track record I trust myself despite what the percentages would tell me.

 

Look, any team outside the Bears (and a fading Seattle) in the NFC is garbage. Every year I hear bullshit about the saints, cowboys, or Carolina panthers. These teams are not good.

 

The Cowboys will be blown out. That is a fact. Romo MAY put up serivicable numbers in this process, and I hope he does since my season relies on it, but why take the risk? The Cowboys are not even close to the same level of the Bears. Anyone who denies is just listens to too many pundits and can't think for themselves.

 

Chargers Bears was one game where predicting a winner was hard.

 

Cowboys Bears is a completely different animal. Bears by at least a touch and a field goal. Probably 2 TD's or more.

 

You look so bad, you should not post your fantasy advice ever again. I'm assuming you're looking for a hole to go stick your head in right now. You have no clue.

 

You been listening to the pundits telling you the Bears are the class of the NFC?

 

I trusted my own thoughts and damn........I'm gooooood!

[BigD226 0]

Chicago wold have shut out a much better san diego offense in san diego if not for some turnovers. For an idea of this game look to last October's seattle game in chicago...an ass beating...exposing that romo is no better then rex grossman. He will be lucky to come out of the game intact!

 

 

How ya doin' there baum? Have a nice night?

 

"romo is no better then rex grossman."

 

Incredible.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

There is a large plate of Crow in front of me right now, and since I have MBIII I am happily eating every bite of it. I never would have imagined MBIII having 100+ and 2 TDs in this game. Wow.

 

Between MBIII and Ronnie Brown today, Tomlinson's 18.x points weren't really important.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But back to crow eating: I was wrong about this game, even though for a half it looked like I was right....but the Pokeys adjusted and Da Bears failed to take advantage of the opportunities the defense created.

 

I tip my cap to the Cowbows - the class of the NFC. (and as a niner fan it's painful to say that.)

[BigD226 0]

I agree - I look at what Eli was able to do hen the Cowboys had a 17-6 lead headed into the half...2 min drill and the Pokes D got pwnd. The NYG marched straight up the field and put it in Burress' hands in the corner of the end zone.

 

And the NYG O-Line isn't exactly all world - in fact they aren't very good. There was zero pressure. If Grossman has that kind of breathing room, the Cowboys are sunk.

 

Overconfident cowboys fans are running rampant in here, but there are a few reasonable ones. I think they have a chance, but all this talk about blowing away the Bears in Chicago is just silly.

 

Is it?

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

Isn't that exactly what worked best?

 

A couple of those plays were unreal. the play where Romo was getting tackled and on his way down somehow completed a pass to Owens? That was ridiculous.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

Is it?

 

1. I just came in & posted my eating of crow - does it make you feel tough to kick sand in my face afterwards?

2. Do ya think you could possibly have a longer signature? It makes it so much more challenging to surf the topics, and I do love a challenge. Thanks.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

1. I just came in & posted my eating of crow - does it make you feel tough to kick sand in my face afterwards?

 

No. I'm not into piling on excessively. However, you were talking so matter of factly in this thread that you deserve every bite.....and then some.

 

no offense, of course

[itsbigmoni 1]

A couple of those plays were unreal. the play where Romo was getting tackled and on his way down somehow completed a pass to Owens? That was ridiculous.

 

He had a TD pass just like that last week. I think he was even closer to hitting the ground though.

 

Thats the thing about Romo vs other mobile QB's. He doesn't start moving side to side a lot, doesn't focus ALL of his attention on evading the rush, and doesn't look to run.

 

He takes a step this way, step that way, steps up in the pocket. He doesn't roll out or scramble towards the sideline too much. Plus, the way he keeps his head lookin down field while he's side stepping, pump faking and rolling, is amazing.

[devius 4]

He had a TD pass just like that last week. I think he was even closer to hitting the ground though.

 

Thats the thing about Romo vs other mobile QB's. He doesn't start moving side to side a lot, doesn't focus ALL of his attention on evading the rush, and doesn't look to run.

 

He takes a step this way, step that way, steps up in the pocket. He doesn't roll out or scramble towards the sideline too much. Plus, the way he keeps his head lookin down field while he's side stepping, pump faking and rolling, is amazing.

 

 

im not a cowboys fan so this isnt a homer observation but...

 

the way he moves around in the pocket while still scanning the field is amazing. in doing so, he avoided at least 3-4 for sure sacks. i thought he was pretty good last year but hes even better now.

[rallo 136]

in all fairness... it wasn't officially a 'blow out' until the 4th quarter... after rex tossed that INT for a TD you could tell the bears sorta gave up... even THEY know that they cannot come from behind with him at the helm... the MBIII run showed this... da bears D was demoralized after that INT...

 

in reality it was a very close game, and i have to admit i was a little nervous with the way romo recklessly manuevers the pocket with one hand on the ball and the other arm flailing around... but it works!!

 

my cowboys are looking good this year

[cowboyz 2]

in all fairness... it wasn't officially a 'blow out' until the 4th quarter... after rex tossed that INT for a TD you could tell the bears sorta gave up... even THEY know that they cannot come from behind with him at the helm... the MBIII run showed this... da bears D was demoralized after that INT...

 

in reality it was a very close game, and i have to admit i was a little nervous with the way romo recklessly manuevers the pocket with one hand on the ball and the other arm flailing around... but it works!!

 

my cowboys are looking good this year

yup, they were this "" close

 

berrian catches that td pass, and it's an entirely new ball game.

[rdrs4life 0]

I don't feel like reading 100 posts....cliffs notes please? Is 2cents trying to say Rivers>Romo? Cause that really wouldn't surprise me.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

Is 2cents trying to say Rivers>Romo? Cause that really wouldn't surprise me.

 

No, I wasn't nor would I. But over the course of the last 17 games, the Chargers offense was better than the Cowboys, averaging 31 points per game. Thus when discussing something in week 2 of this very young NFL season I was saying that the Bears D was able to shut down Tomlinson and the Chargers, so I thought they would have more success against Romo and the Cowboys.

 

Clearly I was wrong (although for the 1st half it looked like I was right) and I have eaten my crow and admitted to being wrong in every Cowboys/bears topic.

 

As a MBIII owner I am thrilled that I was wrong, and crow never tasted so good. I do think Romo was 1/2 inch from 2 other interceptions though, both of which would have had dramatic implications on the outcome of this game. One of them was in the hands of Tillman and he couldn't hold on.

 

But no - I think Rivers will be a solid QB in this league, but Romo is a future superstar. I watch him play and just see something that can't be taught - he does things that "purists" will say you should never do - the way he swings the ball around like a loaf of bread, the way he makes lightning quick decisions that result in high risk throws that mystically find the hands of his receivers (like the one I mentioned above) - reminds me of a younger Brett Fav-rah. I do have my concerns that he'll end up like Favre with interceptions, but they haven't been too much of an issue so far.

 

Perhaps instead of making some baseless insinuation and looking like an idiot for it, you could actually take the time to read my post. You know, seeing as you're here calling me out for something I never said. That'd be swell, thanks.

[rdrs4life 0]

No, I wasn't nor would I. But over the course of the last 17 games, the Chargers offense was better than the Cowboys, averaging 31 points per game. Thus when discussing something in week 2 of this very young NFL season I was saying that the Bears D was able to shut down Tomlinson and the Chargers, so I thought they would have more success against Romo and the Cowboys.

 

Clearly I was wrong (although for the 1st half it looked like I was right) and I have eaten my crow and admitted to being wrong in every Cowboys/bears topic.

 

As a MBIII owner I am thrilled that I was wrong, and crow never tasted so good. I do think Romo was 1/2 inch from 2 other interceptions though, both of which would have had dramatic implications on the outcome of this game. One of them was in the hands of Tillman and he couldn't hold on.

 

But no - I think Rivers will be a solid QB in this league, but Romo is a future superstar. I watch him play and just see something that can't be taught - he does things that "purists" will say you should never do - the way he swings the ball around like a loaf of bread, the way he makes lightning quick decisions that result in high risk throws that mystically find the hands of his receivers (like the one I mentioned above) - reminds me of a younger Brett Fav-rah. I do have my concerns that he'll end up like Favre with interceptions, but they haven't been too much of an issue so far.

 

Perhaps instead of making some baseless insinuation and looking like an idiot for it, you could actually take the time to read my post. You know, seeing as you're here calling me out for something I never said. That'd be swell, thanks.

 

 

This was a pretty decent post until the last paragraph, until you had to add your token pompous remark. No i'm not going to take the time to read a 100 post thread. I just ###### asked what was being argued you stuck up shmuck. Oh and big surprise, you were wrong to boot. Nicely played.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

This was a pretty decent post until the last paragraph,

Unlike anything you've ever contributed to this site.

 

until you had to add your token pompous remark. No i'm not going to take the time to read a 100 post thread. I just ###### asked what was being argued you stuck up shmuck. Oh and big surprise, you were wrong to boot. Nicely played.

Oh yeah - you were innocently asking something. Riiiight.

 

You were trolling and I called you out on it - fact.

 

Is 2cents trying to say Rivers>Romo? Cause that really wouldn't surprise me.

Oh yeah - that was super nice of you. Not calling me out or putting me down at all - just an innocent question. Poor misunderstood you.

pwnd

 

here's a tip: don't be a jerkoff and people will respect you more.

[rdrs4life 0]

wow...so not worth my time. Go eat din-din i hear mommy calling you.

[itsbigmoni 1]

I think .02 biggest problem was relying on last years stats too much. They lost their head coach and their o-coordinator. If they had lost one or the other, maybe last years stats wouldn't be as useless, but since its a whole new staff, you can't put much weight into last years stats.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

I think .02 biggest problem was relying on last years stats too much. They lost their head coach and their o-coordinator. If they had lost one or the other, maybe last years stats wouldn't be as useless, but since its a whole new staff, you can't put much weight into last years stats.

 

And I maintain that it's a wee bit early to give up on LT or the chargers after 3 weeks of this young season. They've not been decimated by injury, they are off to a slow start against very good defenses.

 

Rivers got it going in week 3, and the D let them down. I think the Chargers break out of this in a big way against the Chiefs at home. LT scored 28 TDs in 12 weeks last year.

 

The Chargers are 1-2, so they're hardly sunk for the season.

 

I am not willing to take 3 2007 games from the most prolific offense last year and project that across the season. Unless you want me to bump this every week when the Chargers win and score 3 TDs +?

 

TIme, as they say, will tell.

[Cruzer 1,995]

well, gatta give the bears prognosticators some props here. they did predict that one team was going to get manhandled and abused. they did predict one team was in for a rude awakening. they did predict one team was not going to have a running game and they did predict this was going to be the stiffest competition one of the teams has faced to date.

 

and did they find tommie harris yet? i heard he was missing.....

[doctorlw 0]

It appears Tony Romo is the real deal.

 

It also appears that the Chicago Bears DEF was all that we expected, but they can't compensate for a terrible offense (and QB) that wears them down by keeping them on the field the entire game. Worse, they've now lost nearly half their starters because the offense can't keep them off the field.

 

I must admit I was impressed with Romo and his ability to escape tackles, and though I predicted worse for him, it bodes well for him as my fantasy QB this season so I am pleased.

 

I'm still not convinced the Cowboys are elite, but they are definitely a good team. The Bears defense was definitely able to shut them down until injuries and wear from an awful offense took its toll. As for the Bears, even if their offense improves, at this point their defense is simply to banged up to be the stellar unit it has been and the season outlook is bleak at this point barring a major offensive breakthrough until their starters can begin getting back.

 

The NFC looks to be mired in mediocrity more than ever before.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

It appears Tony Romo is the real deal.

 

It also appears that the Chicago Bears DEF was all that we expected, but they can't compensate for a terrible offense (and QB) that wears them down by keeping them on the field the entire game. Worse, they've now lost nearly half their starters because the offense can't keep them off the field.

 

I must admit I was impressed with Romo and his ability to escape tackles, and though I predicted worse for him, it bodes well for him as my fantasy QB this season so I am pleased.

 

I'm still not convinced the Cowboys are elite, but they are definitely a good team. The Bears defense was definitely able to shut them down until injuries and wear from an awful offense took its toll. As for the Bears, even if their offense improves, at this point their defense is simply to banged up to be the stellar unit it has been and the season outlook is bleak at this point barring a major offensive breakthrough until their starters can begin getting back.

 

The NFC looks to be mired in mediocrity more than ever before.

 

wow. i can't believe you actually posted again in this thread.

 

how did that jason campbell over romo start treat your team?

 

remember this one? "The Cowboys will be blown out. That is a fact."

 

you are so

[Cruzer 1,995]

It also appears that the Chicago Bears DEF was all that we expected, but they can't compensate for a terrible offense (and QB) that wears them down by keeping them on the field the entire game. Worse, they've now lost nearly half their starters because the offense can't keep them off the field.

i think dallas had something to do with that too. can't remember who it was, but one of your secondary guys said that game was the most physical game they'd played all year and that he was hurting.

 

The Bears defense was definitely able to shut them down until injuries and wear from an awful offense took its toll.

the bears started strong defensively, they even had a crap load of help from the officiating.

 

The NFC looks to be mired in mediocrity more than ever before.

why, cuz the bears are all the sudden crap? you may be correct, but it wasn't just bcoz you guys got spanked on national tv in front of the hometown crowd.

[sirensong 111]

I am not willing to take 3 2007 games from the most prolific offense last year and project that across the season. Unless you want me to bump this every week when the Chargers win and score 3 TDs +?

 

see, this is your disconnect.

 

no one, repeat no one, in the thread has said that the chargers have a bad offense, or that their production over the first 3 games is indicative of the rest of the season. everyone has acknowledged that they've had some difficult matchups. just like no one has suggested that the cowboys will put up the same kinds of numbers for the entire season that they did over the 1st 2 weeks, because we had some very favorable matchups.

 

the heat you took in this thread was based purely upon your statement that the chargers O is better than the dallas O. you based this purely on last year's numbers, and just flat disregarded this season. the issue was the comparison and the lack of current evidence to support your conclusion.

 

and the funny part is this--now that we've played a common opponent, (SD at home, DAL away) you still have yet to acknowledge the vast difference between the two offense's production.

 

look--if you would have started out by saying "i believe the SD offense will be better than the cowboys by year's end, based on these factors...", this discussion would have had an entirely different tone. you'll note that most of the dallas fans posting in this thread were very open about their concerns, and no one was arguing the fact that SD has some very potent weapons. but i think you understand that the tone you took caused the heat you received.

[FrankRizzo 0]

I wonder what Romo's vision will be on Madden 2009 next year???

 

Probably not only see the Wideouts streaking the sidelines, TE in the middle, RB in the flats BUT ALSO a couple of hottie twins in the upperdeck Section 220 Seats 12/13, NinjaCat FatHead camera guy shooting on the sidelines, and Carrie Underwood in the tunnel getting ready for halftime show.

 

Now that's sick vision .....

[bgard72 10]

Wow, and you call yourself a Bears fan. Probably a Cubs fan too.

 

A few things:

 

1) I hope this game is what is being hyped up to be.

2) The Bears' playcalling has been garbage. Rex will beat teams because he takes risks downfield..not on 6 yd slants. Of course he will often miss but when he is on those risky plays turn into Berrian 50 yd td's. Instead the Shoop offense has been installed.

3) I worry about 2 players on Dallas: TO and MB3. MB3 runs as if he will never touch the ball again and is strong and seems to be fast.

4) The Boys' D is crap. The Bears will actually put up points this game

In addition, the Bears safeties have been pivotal in helping stop the run (Archuleta). They are also prone to giving up the big play. This is where I hope Tillman and Vasher do their job. Oh yeah, and the Bears actually blitz now which should help on passing plays.

 

Again, I hope to see a good game this week. I definitely won't be kissing up to Cowboys fans because Rex had 2 bad weeks. He is due to have a couple good ones before he hits the skids again. I think this will be one of his good ones.

 

 

Yes...coach "Ditka311"...I am a Bears fan. I don't let my homerism get in the way of reality though. I thought the Bears would lose and lose big...so I put Romo, TO, and picked up the Dallas D (sitting my Bears D), and won my game.

 

I hope the Bears announce Griese as the starting QB this week...we need to make a change at QB without a doubt in my opinion.

 

And yes...I happen to be a Cubs fan too...but really don't understand your comment of "probably a Cubs fan too.'' remark.

[itsbigmoni 1]

I wonder what Romo's vision will be on Madden 2009 next year???

 

Probably not only see the Wideouts streaking the sidelines, TE in the middle, RB in the flats BUT ALSO a couple of hottie twins in the upperdeck Section 220 Seats 12/13, NinjaCat FatHead camera guy shooting on the sidelines, and Carrie Underwood in the tunnel getting ready for halftime show.

 

Now that's sick vision .....

 

As long as he isn't on the cover..

 

But yea, i didn't really hear what Urlacher said but one of the reporters made it seem like he was saying something negative about Grossman. Anybody see/hear this?