Andy Reid

[wiffleball 4,797]

I imagine most of y'all have heard the latest about his sons. How the judge called Andy Reid's home a "drug emporium" and such. Got me to thinking:

 

 

Number one, growing up in a family with a troubled young man, I can tell you that the best parenting in the world doesn't guarantee that one or more of your kids will not be a fock-up (to put it bluntly). Even the judge said it was clear that Andy and his wife loved their kids.

 

However. if we jump back to the early days of the Vick debacle, what were most of us saying? "Look, it's his house, he either knew or should have known WTF was going on there". IF the drugs were so voluminous, so out in the open as the judge's language make it seem to be, does that same standard apply to Andy? People jumped on Irvin for being caught with drug paraphanelia in his own car too. Seems to me that players have been suspended not for drugs (per se), but for things even remotelly associated with drugs (wizzinator comes to mind). Players have been warned (at least) to stay away from known drug offenders and other criminals.

 

With all that in mind, how do you think the NFL should handle this? - If at all? And if not, isn't that a double standard?

[Evil number 0]

i don't think anything should or will be done to Andy Reid by the NFL. I doubt they had drugs laying around on the kitchen table. You can be a drug dealer without having drugs littering the house. One of my roommates in college was a pot dealer and I told him if i ever saw that crap laying around i'd throw it out. Not that i did'nt ocasionally smoke pot but i did'nt want this stuff laying around the apartment.

 

What this and Tony Dungy's son killing himself shows is that coaches have very little time for their family. NFL coaches work from sunrise to deep in the night. I heard Jimmy Johnson on the radio this morning telling how hard they had to work and that is why he got out of it. He said he saw his wife one night a week. She was asleep when he left for work and asleep when he got home. He said Steve Spurrier tried to change the way coaches work by just working normal hours but he was a big failure.

[edjr 6,939]

Swap out Andy Reid's name with Bill Belichick. Can you imagine how giant this story would be right now?

 

People hate BB right now, can you imagine what would be said about him if this story were about him?

[surferskin 31]

Swap out Andy Reid's name with Bill Belichick. Can you imagine how giant this story would be right now?

 

People hate BB right now, can you imagine what would be said about him if this story were about him?

who do you think was buying the drugs?

[Evil number 0]

Swap out Andy Reid's name with Bill Belichick. Can you imagine how giant this story would be right now?

 

People hate BB right now, can you imagine what would be said about him if this story were about him?

 

I think one of Belichick's sons was caught with pot last year.

[Eagles Green 34]

I don't see this being an NFL issue. Reid wasn't accused of anything.....other than being a lame parent. This really sucks for Fat Andy, I expect him to finish the season and then step down. He says he won't quit, but I don't see that happening.

 

How embarassing is it for Reid to have it known worldwide that his son got caught shoving pills upp his azz?

 

 

I'm hoping that Reid leaves and Lurie can coax Cower out of retirement.

[wiffleball 4,797]

i don't think anything should or will be done to Andy Reid by the NFL. I doubt they had drugs laying around on the kitchen table. You can be a drug dealer without having drugs littering the house. One of my roommates in college was a pot dealer and I told him if i ever saw that crap laying around i'd throw it out. Not that i did'nt ocasionally smoke pot but i did'nt want this stuff laying around the apartment.

 

 

But think about it;

 

If a player's house gets raided and the cops found this many drugs, and the player - and even his roommate - said - it was all the roomate's. Wouldn't we, the press and the NFL be all over the guy?

 

Past history suggests we would.

[Eagles Green 34]

But think about it;

 

If a player's house gets raided and the cops found this many drugs, and the player - and even his roommate - said - it was all the roomate's. Wouldn't we, the press and the NFL be all over the guy?

 

Past history suggests we would.

Yeah, but Andy Reid is white............Duh!

[edjr 6,939]

I think one of Belichick's sons was caught with pot last year.

 

 

Even if this were true.

 

You think that's the same as selling heroin from daddy's house?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Even if this were true.

 

You think that's the same as selling heroin from daddy's house?

 

Andy Reid didn't cheat

[surferskin 31]

Mr. & Mrs. Andy Reid make Britney and K-fed look like Ward & June Clever. Seriously, having one focked up kid is understandable but when it's more than that you know that it's the parent's fault. Reid should step down and get his focking life together.

[TurdFergeson 0]

Swap out Andy Reid's name with Bill Belichick. Can you imagine how giant this story would be right now?

 

People hate BB right now, can you imagine what would be said about him if this story were about him?

 

John Clayton would be writing that Belichick was on the level of OJ Simpson as far as criminals in coaching. There is no doubt in my mind. Belichick might as well be petting his shaved cat Mr. Bigglesworth right now because that's the extent he has been vilified by the media.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

John Clayton would be writing that Belichick was on the level of OJ Simpson as far as criminals in coaching. There is no doubt in my mind. Belichick might as well be petting his shaved cat Mr. Bigglesworth right now because that's the extent he has been vilified by the media.

 

Give me a break!

He was declared a freaking genius before everyone found out that he cheats.

Any bad press he gets he brought upon himself.

[wiffleball 4,797]

1. I DO think there's a bit of a double-standard going on here. Just MHO. But, I think most sportswriters are also parents and they're giving him leeway an the BOD.

 

 

2. The kids are in jail. They're grown young men now. I'm not so sure that Reid leaving the Iggles right now makes any sense for the purposes of helping his family.

 

 

3. Reading a better story on the case, none of the ILLEGAL drugs were found in the Reid house. Just the kid's car. Dunno about you, but when I was over 18, Dad's never searched my car. The judges' comment was apparently about the kids being overmedicated for a long time on legal drugs found in the house.

[wiffleball 4,797]

John Clayton would be writing that Belichick was on the level of OJ Simpson as far as criminals in coaching. There is no doubt in my mind. Belichick might as well be petting his shaved cat Mr. Bigglesworth right now because that's the extent he has been vilified by the media.

 

COULD WE MAYBE have one GD Focking thread that doesn't involve the motherfucking Patriots?? Has nothing to do with it.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

Maybe Reid was/is a good parent. Maybe not. What does the NFL have to do with it? It is none of their business.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Maybe Reid was/is a good parent. Maybe not. What does the NFL have to do with it? It is none of their business.

 

We covered this early on. Has nothing to do with his parenting.

[Evil number 0]

Even if this were true.

 

You think that's the same as selling heroin from daddy's house?

 

No I don't think its the same. Just saying that no coaches are perfect parents. and don't doubt the validity of my story.

[BMoney 0]

Give me a break!

He was declared a freaking genius before everyone found out that he cheats.

Any bad press he gets he brought upon himself.

 

 

even though he was a flop in cleveland..go figure.....

 

 

 

as for andy....super nice guy.....but that doesnt mean they are the best parents...when u are never home..and have no nanny and mrs reid is over here blowing me...you are asking a lot of the kids...

 

1 of my fave stories..i go to my parents and neighbors are over watching a brewers game...and eugene robinsons kids are there also...

 

something bad happens and my dad and neighbor swear..and eugenes kids are SHOCKED!!! we dont do that in our house..we dont do this or that...

 

oh boy.... well, this isnt church....relax, kids..

 

youd think that whole family was on the straight and narrow....nfl man of the year....kids at the house stunned at the sound of 1 swear word....

 

yeah....while the kids are there.....there was probably a hooker going down on eugene as if she was bobbing for apples while on speed....

[Mephisto 15]

A couple of my favorite quotes:

 

- Andy Reid is a lame parent.

 

- The "kids."

 

Here are a couple of things that you narrow-minded fucks fail to consider. MOST parents spend less waking time with their children (once they reach school age) during the week. My parents did an outstanding job having had nearly a half-dozen boys in house. My parents taught me right from wrong. My parents taught me what it meant to make smart and good decisions. They truly did.

 

The fact remains, that many other people are in everyone's sphere of influence - mostly "friends." When you get hooked up with the wrong bunch of "friends" - you will make mistakes. Perhaps you will learn from them, perhaps you won't.

 

I've made many mistakes in my life and there isn't a one of them that is "my lame parents" fault. These focking knuckleheads are in their mid-20s and far beyond the influence of the parents.

 

No one knows what the hell has gone on in that family and no one can presume to know - not even me. However, only a knucklehead would instantly blame "poor parenting" on why these "children" ...decided to pursue a life of drug abuse, guns, and stupid decisions. They're in their mid-20s, not their mid-teens and to lay this at the feet of the parents is ridiculous except to those that are narrow-minded.

 

My parents taught me everything that they were supposed to and did so to the best of their ability. Once you reach 17, 18, 19... you start taking responsibility for your own decisions and hopefully, use their guidance when you fock the fock up. In your mid-20s, you better have figured most things the fock out and be able to correct mistakes on your own. At 25, fock you, dumbass - you made you decisions, you live with them and I'll do what I can, within reason, to be there for you.

 

My same schpiel goes for Michael Vick. Until someone shows me that the parents taught him that dog-torturing was acceptable and risking a 120-million dollar fortune was smart... I don't lay the blame at their feet, either. He's a focking grown man... and a dope, just the same.

[Mephisto 15]

Mr. & Mrs. Andy Reid make Britney and K-fed look like Ward & June Clever. Seriously, having one focked up kid is understandable but when it's more than that you know that it's the parent's fault. Reid should step down and get his focking life together.

 

 

This is the #1 moronic quote in the thread so far... I'm still checking the rest beyond this. For now, congratulations you focking clueless asswipe.

[Mephisto 15]

They're grown young men now.

 

You don't overtake surferskin, but this is the type of sh!t I'm talking about.

 

A "young man" is 16-19. A "grown man" is 20+.

 

Wake the fock up. These guys are MEN and are NOT Mr. & Mrs. Andy Reid's responsibility. Anything that the continue to do for those two knuckleheads is out of love, care, and compassion in the hopes that they don't have a lifetime of guilt wishing maybe there was something more or different that they could have done.

[kutulu 1,713]

I went to a Giants game a few years ago in Philly and Andy Reid sold me a killer dime bag.

[mighty_thor 115]

A couple of my favorite quotes:

 

- Andy Reid is a lame parent.

 

- The "kids."

 

Here are a couple of things that you narrow-minded fucks fail to consider. MOST parents spend less waking time with their children (once they reach school age) during the week. My parents did an outstanding job having had nearly a half-dozen boys in house. My parents taught me right from wrong. My parents taught me what it meant to make smart and good decisions. They truly did.

 

The fact remains, that many other people are in everyone's sphere of influence - mostly "friends." When you get hooked up with the wrong bunch of "friends" - you will make mistakes. Perhaps you will learn from them, perhaps you won't.

 

I've made many mistakes in my life and there isn't a one of them that is "my lame parents" fault. These focking knuckleheads are in their mid-20s and far beyond the influence of the parents.

 

No one knows what the hell has gone on in that family and no one can presume to know - not even me. However, only a knucklehead would instantly blame "poor parenting" on why these "children" ...decided to pursue a life of drug abuse, guns, and stupid decisions. They're in their mid-20s, not their mid-teens and to lay this at the feet of the parents is ridiculous except to those that are narrow-minded.

 

My parents taught me everything that they were supposed to and did so to the best of their ability. Once you reach 17, 18, 19... you start taking responsibility for your own decisions and hopefully, use their guidance when you fock the fock up. In your mid-20s, you better have figured most things the fock out and be able to correct mistakes on your own. At 25, fock you, dumbass - you made you decisions, you live with them and I'll do what I can, within reason, to be there for you.

 

My same schpiel goes for Michael Vick. Until someone shows me that the parents taught him that dog-torturing was acceptable and risking a 120-million dollar fortune was smart... I don't lay the blame at their feet, either. He's a focking grown man... and a dope, just the same.

 

The judge was openly critical of Reid. Saying he could not understand how anyone could'nt see what was going on.

 

They were living at home so to say they are far beyond the sphere of inluence of their parents is probably the dumbest post in this thread. They live in the same house! Did you see what they found in the house! Reid would have to be an idiot to not see what was going on. And the fact that he has three younger children living at home with these drug addicts make you question his parenting judgement as well.

[kutulu 1,713]

The judge was openly critical of Reid. Saying he could not understand how anyone could'nt see what was going on.

 

They were living at home so to say they are far beyond the sphere of inluence of their parents is probably the dumbest post in this thread. They live in the same house! Did you see what they found in the house! Reid would have to be an idiot to not see what was going on. And the fact that he has three younger children living at home with these drug addicts make you question his parenting judgement as well.

 

Did you even read my post?

[mighty_thor 115]

Did you even read my post?

 

About the dime bag?

[kutulu 1,713]

About the dime bag?

[surferskin 31]

This is the #1 moronic quote in the thread so far... I'm still checking the rest beyond this. For now, congratulations you focking clueless asswipe.

yeah, the parents are responsible when their kids are dealing drugs out of THEIR HOUSE. and as thor said, the judge basically said as much so wake the fock up.

[Mephisto 15]

The judge was grandstanding.

 

The were ABSOLUTELY NOT SELLING DRUGS OUT OF THE REID'S RESIDENCE. THEY... WERE... NOT.

 

The only thing found IN the house were prescription pain killers.

 

The Reid's knew what their kids' problems were and have known for years. They've been in rehabs.

 

You wake the fock up. The judge doesn't know sh!t.

 

I'm not defending the drug-dealing freaks and I don't absolve the Reid parents of some measure of responsbility for how their actions/inactions MAY have affected their sons' ability to turn things around.

 

But laughing at you jackasses and your horseshit armchair parenting on behalf of the Reids is pretty darn entertaining.

[Mephisto 15]

The judge was openly critical of Reid. Saying he could not understand how anyone could'nt see what was going on.

 

They were living at home so to say they are far beyond the sphere of inluence of their parents is probably the dumbest post in this thread. They live in the same house! Did you see what they found in the house! Reid would have to be an idiot to not see what was going on. And the fact that he has three younger children living at home with these drug addicts make you question his parenting judgement as well.

 

My point being, once you're a grownup - and that's what these "children" are - they are responsible for themselves. Their parents aren't - and I don't care if they allowed them to live there or not. It's not like they can be grounded for their misbehavior.

 

And for the knuckleheaded among us...

 

A search of the Reids' home Thursday night - an effort to trace the drugs found in Garrett Reid's cell - found nothing that had not been prescribed, Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr. said.

 

"I don't see any evidence that there's anything illegal at the home," Castor said. "The illegality is at the prison and the bringing of the contraband in."

 

OMG!!! LOOK AT WHAT THEY FOUND IN THE HOUSE!!! NOTHING!

 

They've repeatedly put those two through drug rehabs and perhaps were set up to be manipulated by being TOO "loving and coddling" - as one of the reports stated.

 

Finally, the bottom line is this... if they didn't happen to be at home, in part, because their parents were trying to intervene in some capacity and they did this is say... Florida or California while living on their own... most of you jackasses wouldn't think twice about laying the blame at the feet of those who ARE responsible - the two Reid "children."

[surferskin 31]

i'm glad shitty parents everywhere finally have a voice. thank you, mephisto

[Mephisto 15]

i'm glad shitty parents everywhere finally have a voice. thank you, mephisto

 

Yeah, nevermind that you don't what the fock you're talking about on the subject. Nice dodge there, genius.

[mighty_thor 115]

These focking knuckleheads are in their mid-20s and far beyond the influence of the parents.

 

I'm in my mid forties. My dad has been dead for 15 years and my mom passed away 5 years ago. I still feel their influence.

[wiffleball 4,797]

Shame this became some inane 'parenting' thread. I was watching some of the players interviewed and they basically said the same thing that I asserted above; "Yeah, if it would have been MY car that they found all those drugs in, I'd be gone in an instant, but you know, they treat coaches differently".

[Mephisto 15]

I'm in my mid forties. My dad has been dead for 15 years and my mom passed away 5 years ago. I still feel their influence.

 

As do I. How many focking times do I need to explain my point for you to get it?

 

When we all grow up, it is not only our parents who influence our choices, attitudes, and decision-making process. Yes, they are a part of that process, but we are each individuals who, as we grow older, establish our independence and starting thinking/acting/feeling for ourselves.

 

If you get mixed up with the wrong people and make the wrong choices, things get focked up. Depending upon how poorly you make those choices, things get as crazy for you as it currently is for the Reid boys.

 

There are any number of us on this board who probably know a lot of great, wonderful parents who ended up with a grown adult who made some focked up decisions. It doesn't mean that they were shitty parents. It ALSO doesn't mean that they weren't.

 

Further to my point - we need to stop talking as if these are the Reid "children." They are not. They are the Reid "adults" and are responsible for themselves at this age.

 

I have made poor decisions in my life, some potentially dangerous. They didn't gravitate to the level of the Reid offspring, but certainly they could have. My parents were good parents who taught us all of the right things. As we get older, the rest is up to us... whether or not their opinions are still considered (actively, that is) or not.

 

For many discussing this issue - the uninformed, knee-jerk cop-out reply is The Reids are focked up parents and are responsible for this. My OPINION is that I think that's wrong, but I don't know for sure either way.

 

Get it?

[surferskin 31]

mephisto, you do realize that the reid boys still live under fat andy's roof, don't you? are you saying that he's helpless to do anything to prevent this type of criminal behavior in his own house? do you also realize that he's still got 3 younger children that were there to witness their older brothers drug dealing life style? if ANYTHING he should have kicked those fockers out for the sake of his young children but it's not like he's ever around so maybe he had no idea...he was too busy eating and making shitty game plans.

[Eagles Green 34]

he was too busy eating and making shitty game plans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Skins/Eagles sig bet?

[surferskin 31]

Skins/Eagles sig bet?

[Mephisto 15]

mephisto, you do realize that the reid boys still live under fat andy's roof, don't you? are you saying that he's helpless to do anything to prevent this type of criminal behavior in his own house? do you also realize that he's still got 3 younger children that were there to witness their older brothers drug dealing life style? if ANYTHING he should have kicked those fockers out for the sake of his young children but it's not like he's ever around so maybe he had no idea...he was too busy eating and making shitty game plans.

 

 

When I become convinced that you have more than just a few peripheral facts understood accurately, I will continue to banter back-and-forth. In the meantime, I've had enough.

 

Do some research, find out WHY they were under Andy's roof. Find out how and for how long they've been working to get their "children" straight. Find out that they never did any drug sales "out of their house." Find out how they police have never found anything illegal in the home. Find out how they were out of the house and only allowed back into the house in an effort to get them to rehab and try to keep "an eye on things" - in as much as you can actually "keep your eye" on grown men in their mid-20s.

 

Their 3 young children, if they witnesses anything (cuz I don't know) - they probably witnesses their parents trying to help their two older siblings with their problems.

 

Let me ask you this:

 

Had Andy given them the boot, how would that have prevented them from going down the path as far as they did, if not further?

 

YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THE SITUATION, yet seem to have qualified yourself an expert on his personal life and what attempts that they've been making for years to get things fixed.

 

I don't even know all there is to know, but I know that the reality is far different than a lot of the crap that has been posted in this thread as facts, when they're flat-out false.

[surferskin 31]

sorry meph, but most the drugs that the reid boys were on/selling were not "illegal" drugs but prescription drugs that were found all over the house.