Why didn't Lovie use that last time out?

[duece2626 0]

Probably because it didn't matter.

[Vikings4ever 568]

Probably because it didn't matter.

He uses the time out, he has about 10 seconds left, with the most dangerous return man in the game.

 

Your back is against the wall, a loss means you're out of the playoffs, and you don't call a time out because it probably won't matter? (smilie at Lovie, not you)

[Mad Brad 0]

Cause they suck and their season ended about 6 weeks ago... HTH MB

[TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0]

Why does he go play-action on 4th down and a foot at the 33 ?

 

QB sneak and they get the first down. Instead, they fool no one and go with lame floating pass to the fullback that goes incomplete.

 

That offense looked pathetic.

 

How about the 4 offensive precedure penalties and the personal foul penalty on Fred Dopey Miller for throwing a punch.

 

Last year everyone in the media was saying how Lovie deserved a hefty pay raise and new contract.

 

Now look at him and the Bears.

 

The dude doesnt use a final timeout when they could have gotten the ball back and had 1-2 plays left and down just 1 score ?????????????????

 

Ya, he's a real solid coach. NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kyle Orton 0]

Dont blame Mr. Lovie, by that time I had sucker out his will to live with my play.

[Riddlen 1]

Why does he go play-action on 4th down and a foot at the 33 ?

 

QB sneak and they get the first down. Instead, they fool no one and go with lame floating pass to the fullback that goes incomplete.

 

That offense looked pathetic.

 

How about the 4 offensive precedure penalties and the personal foul penalty on Fred Dopey Miller for throwing a punch.

 

Last year everyone in the media was saying how Lovie deserved a hefty pay raise and new contract.

 

Now look at him and the Bears.

 

The dude doesnt use a final timeout when they could have gotten the ball back and had 1-2 plays left and down just 1 score ?????????????????

 

Ya, he's a real solid coach. NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is NOOOTTTT a good coach. He is a good coach, pause, not.

[Old School 360]

He thinks he's saving it for the playoffs.

[DankNuggs 305]

the playaction on 4th down was one of the worst calls i've ever seen....

 

take an inept offense, place them in a must-convert situation, and then call a HIGH RISK play.

 

 

Just absurd

[DankNuggs 305]

Why does he go play-action on 4th down and a foot at the 33 ?

 

QB sneak and they get the first down. Instead, they fool no one and go with lame floating pass to the fullback that goes incomplete.

 

That offense looked pathetic.

 

How about the 4 offensive precedure penalties and the personal foul penalty on Fred Dopey Miller for throwing a punch.

 

Last year everyone in the media was saying how Lovie deserved a hefty pay raise and new contract.

 

Now look at him and the Bears.

 

The dude doesnt use a final timeout when they could have gotten the ball back and had 1-2 plays left and down just 1 score ?????????????????

 

Ya, he's a real solid coach. NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

When you trade away your franchise offensive player for absolutely nothing, you deserve to get smacked by the b1tch stick

[mozzy84 0]

what an idiot, I was calling him an idiot as time ran out and also thanking him. Seriously thats so lame, if I was a chicago fan I would be pissed, he just gave up on his team.

[BMoney 0]

last year, he helped paved the way for black coaches everywhere....

 

this year....he set it back 5 years.....

[Groundhog 24]

It would have taken a miracle, but they *did* have a shot at the end if Lovie uses the timeout.

 

The Vikes took over with 1:38 remaining, and the Bears had 1 timeout left. Let's say they call it immediately after the 1st kneeldown and it's now a 2nd-down play with 1:37 left.

 

Vikes do another kneeldown on 2nd down - let's say that takes one second - and with no timeouts to stop the clock, the Vikes run out the full 45 seconds of play clock and take a five yard penalty.

 

Now it's 3rd down with 51 seconds to go. They do another kneeldown. Now it's 50 seconds to go, with a 45-second play clock ticking away. They use it all up and take another five-yard penalty.

 

So the Vikes are at 4th down, 5 seconds to go in the game, on their own 30-yard line (or thereabouts).

 

They're not going to kneeldown, since clock stops on change of possession, and you don't want to give Orton a hail mary from roughly 25 yards out. They're not going to punt to Hester for obvious reasons. They're not going to risk a bad snap on a punt either. No, what they would probably do is keep Jackson in the game in shotgun formation, have him dance around 2-3 seconds in the backfield, and then heave the ball downfield but out of bounds. By the time the ball lands, the game's over. But who knows. Maybe there's an errant snap. Maybe Jackson gets nailed behind the line by a blitzing LB who leads to a defensive TD. Almost no chance of anything happening, but a chance is better than no chance.

[zaurg 0]

It would have taken a miracle, but they *did* have a shot at the end if Lovie uses the timeout.

 

The Vikes took over with 1:38 remaining, and the Bears had 1 timeout left. Let's say they call it immediately after the 1st kneeldown and it's now a 2nd-down play with 1:37 left.

 

Vikes do another kneeldown on 2nd down - let's say that takes one second - and with no timeouts to stop the clock, the Vikes run out the full 45 seconds of play clock and take a five yard penalty.

 

Now it's 3rd down with 51 seconds to go. They do another kneeldown. Now it's 50 seconds to go, with a 45-second play clock ticking away. They use it all up and take another five-yard penalty.

 

So the Vikes are at 4th down, 5 seconds to go in the game, on their own 30-yard line (or thereabouts).

 

They're not going to kneeldown, since clock stops on change of possession, and you don't want to give Orton a hail mary from roughly 25 yards out. They're not going to punt to Hester for obvious reasons. They're not going to risk a bad snap on a punt either. No, what they would probably do is keep Jackson in the game in shotgun formation, have him dance around 2-3 seconds in the backfield, and then heave the ball downfield but out of bounds. By the time the ball lands, the game's over. But who knows. Maybe there's an errant snap. Maybe Jackson gets nailed behind the line by a blitzing LB who leads to a defensive TD. Almost no chance of anything happening, but a chance is better than no chance.

 

 

Good breakdown of what would probably happen but I disagree with the last part. No way do they go shotgun and risk Jackson fumbling. Definitely seems more risky than a punt.

[duece2626 0]

How much time was left when the Vikes had the ball? I seem to remember in the Dalls/Eagles game when Westy kneeled down at the 1, there was like 2:13 left, and Dallas had zero timeouts left. The 2 min warning was the only way the clock could of stopped. Eagles ran out the clock with a couple kneel downs after the 2 min warning. How could of the Bears gotten the ball back again?

[duece2626 0]

It would have taken a miracle, but they *did* have a shot at the end if Lovie uses the timeout.

 

The Vikes took over with 1:38 remaining, and the Bears had 1 timeout left. Let's say they call it immediately after the 1st kneeldown and it's now a 2nd-down play with 1:37 left.

 

Vikes do another kneeldown on 2nd down - let's say that takes one second - and with no timeouts to stop the clock, the Vikes run out the full 45 seconds of play clock and take a five yard penalty.

 

Now it's 3rd down with 51 seconds to go. They do another kneeldown. Now it's 50 seconds to go, with a 45-second play clock ticking away. They use it all up and take another five-yard penalty.

 

So the Vikes are at 4th down, 5 seconds to go in the game, on their own 30-yard line (or thereabouts).

 

They're not going to kneeldown, since clock stops on change of possession, and you don't want to give Orton a hail mary from roughly 25 yards out. They're not going to punt to Hester for obvious reasons. They're not going to risk a bad snap on a punt either. No, what they would probably do is keep Jackson in the game in shotgun formation, have him dance around 2-3 seconds in the backfield, and then heave the ball downfield but out of bounds. By the time the ball lands, the game's over. But who knows. Maybe there's an errant snap. Maybe Jackson gets nailed behind the line by a blitzing LB who leads to a defensive TD. Almost no chance of anything happening, but a chance is better than no chance.

 

Vikes wouldn't take any delay of game penalties to begin with so this situation would of never happened. A kneel down takes alot more time than 1 second since the refs have to spot the ball after each play.

[Vikings4ever 568]

It would have taken a miracle, but they *did* have a shot at the end if Lovie uses the timeout.

 

The Vikes took over with 1:38 remaining, and the Bears had 1 timeout left. Let's say they call it immediately after the 1st kneeldown and it's now a 2nd-down play with 1:37 left.

 

Vikes do another kneeldown on 2nd down - let's say that takes one second - and with no timeouts to stop the clock, the Vikes run out the full 45 seconds of play clock and take a five yard penalty.

 

Now it's 3rd down with 51 seconds to go. They do another kneeldown. Now it's 50 seconds to go, with a 45-second play clock ticking away. They use it all up and take another five-yard penalty.

 

So the Vikes are at 4th down, 5 seconds to go in the game, on their own 30-yard line (or thereabouts).

 

They're not going to kneeldown, since clock stops on change of possession, and you don't want to give Orton a hail mary from roughly 25 yards out. They're not going to punt to Hester for obvious reasons. They're not going to risk a bad snap on a punt either. No, what they would probably do is keep Jackson in the game in shotgun formation, have him dance around 2-3 seconds in the backfield, and then heave the ball downfield but out of bounds. By the time the ball lands, the game's over. But who knows. Maybe there's an errant snap. Maybe Jackson gets nailed behind the line by a blitzing LB who leads to a defensive TD. Almost no chance of anything happening, but a chance is better than no chance.

There was about 10-15 seconds left when Jackson kneeled down for the 3rd time. If the Bears called a TO there, they get a shot with Hester, and (if he doesn't dance around too much), 1 play on offense.

[remote controller 143]

It was evident Orton sucked, and was not up to this challenge. I feel they could have won this game had they put in Griese. Orton looked worse than any Qb I have ever seen in this one!!

[Johnny Ringo 0]

There was about 10-15 seconds left when Jackson kneeled down for the 3rd time. If the Bears called a TO there, they get a shot with Hester, and (if he doesn't dance around too much), 1 play on offense.

 

 

You're 100% correct, sir. I looked at the clock and there were about 13 sec left when they kneeled down for the third time and made it 4th down. You HAVE to call the timeout and at least give it a shot. Put on a huge rush and go for the block..OR set up the return with Hester and probably still have time for one offensive play. It's desperation time, sure, but you can't just throw in the towel like that. That was pathetic.

[donhaas 19]

There was about 10-15 seconds left when Jackson kneeled down for the 3rd time. If the Bears called a TO there, they get a shot with Hester, and (if he doesn't dance around too much), 1 play on offense.

 

The Vikings were not kicking the ball to Hester at that point....

[mozzy84 0]

The Vikings were not kicking the ball to Hester at that point....

they would have at least had to try and not too kick to him, kinda like they were all night and it wasnt working.

[dreadlocks34 0]

He uses the time out, he has about 10 seconds left, with the most dangerous return man in the game.

 

Your back is against the wall, a loss means you're out of the playoffs, and you don't call a time out because it probably won't matter? (smilie at Lovie, not you)

This was probably mentioned, but I am pretty sure that Kluwe would have kicked that ball into the stands at that point.

 

-I did not read the rest of the thread until after I posted and was correct that pretty much that is the concensus.

[Vikings4ever 568]

This was probably mentioned, but I am pretty sure that Kluwe would have kicked that ball into the stands at that point.

Probably, yes. But Hester had 7 returns, so it's not like they were uber-avoiding him. And if they kicked it to make sure he didn't get the ball, that'd give the Bears pretty good field position, and maybe a chance for 2 plays (a quick one to the sidelines and then a bomb). Or if the Bears brought pressure (like they did for the previous punt), Kluwe may have just punted to Hester to make sure he got it off.

 

I'm not saying the Bears had a good chance, but for Lovie to have left the timeout on the board, when a loss eliminated them from any chance at a playoff berth, is just embarassing.