Michigan pimp slaps #9 Florida

[t.j 35]

C'mon, in this day and age freshmen and sophomores are called upon repeatedly to step up. Seniors rarely mean squat.

 

Sure, every great program is going to have a few elite-talent freshmen and/or sophomores who can elevate the team. Florida certainly does in Tebow and Harvin. But it's stupid to say that seniors rarely mean squat. Unless Meyer was just being "arrogant and whiny" when he credited last year's championship as being primarily the result of great senior leadership and play.

 

I would agree with you that juniors are generally as good as seniors because of the NFL drawing away seniors. But 8 starting freshmen and sophomores on the starting defense is way too many, any way you slice it. Especially when the team's most talented sophomores are on the offense. I love the defensive talent in Florida's 2007 recruiting class, but you cannot expect a lot from freshmen on the defensive side of the ball.

 

If you are an outstanding senior there is one of two reasons your still in college you want to win a National Championship

 

Ding ding: Long, Hart, Henne

 

And Moss, Nelson, Siler, Smith, ... oh wait, they already won their national championship so they went pro already.

 

or you weren't good enough to go pro.

 

Ding ding: You just described all of Florida's two defensive senior starters.

[NPNG 4]

Michigan won because their offense came out and did many things it hadn't all year. Empty backfield, spread sets, 1-back sets. It looked as if Florida wasn't prepared for any of that. It looked as if they consulted Rodriguez on what he wanted to run next year. My question is why didn't Michigan do this more throughout the season? I am in Big 10 country so I get to see them play alot and there was a bunch of 2-back sets and basic offense that seemed easy to defend. This offense (against Florida) took andvantage of Manningham and Arrington as well as Hart. I know Henne was hurt much of the year but it seems when you have explosive offensive weapons as those mentioned, you should open it up a bit.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Calling him arrogant sure sounds like haterade to me. I'm not sure where people get the idea that Meyer is any more arrogant than the other top coaches in college football. I guess it's a popular thing to say in Big Ten circles.

 

Funny, I hear it more from fans of other SEC teams on another board I go to.

Nice try though.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You can keep saying that Florida was underprepared and overconfident all day long, but it is just talk with no merit. If you simply don't understand the disadvantage of having young, inexperienced players, then you just don't have a clue.

 

I guess that is why Wisconsin lost.

 

Sophomore RB.

2 freshman WRs...youth at safety...3rd string walk on white kid playing starting corner....

 

[SigEp316 0]

... white kid playing starting corner....

 

 

this is a guaranteed loss....I don't care who the team is.

[VaTerp 0]

Michigan won because their offense came out and did many things it hadn't all year. Empty backfield, spread sets, 1-back sets. It looked as if Florida wasn't prepared for any of that. It looked as if they consulted Rodriguez on what he wanted to run next year. My question is why didn't Michigan do this more throughout the season? I am in Big 10 country so I get to see them play alot and there was a bunch of 2-back sets and basic offense that seemed easy to defend. This offense (against Florida) took andvantage of Manningham and Arrington as well as Hart. I know Henne was hurt much of the year but it seems when you have explosive offensive weapons as those mentioned, you should open it up a bit.

 

I agree with this. Seemed like Michigan opened their offense up A LOT more in this game than they did in any game I saw this year. They played well and it was nice to see Carr go out with a W.

 

The only embarrassing thing about that game is how these so called Michigan fans are coming on here acting. Michigan is a storied program, was pre-season top 5, and they feel so small that they have to come on here and act like this b/c of a 6 pt win over Florida. Talk about embarrassing.

 

I get the whole Sec/Big 10 thing. There's the one clown who comes on here and trashes the Big 10 every chance he gets. But this thread is laughable. The OP even goes as far as to call Florida fans, (fans of the defending national champions), fans of losers. How pathetic and embarrassing.

 

I have no dog in this fight either way. I thought it was a good and entertaining game on an otherwise disappointing New Year's Day for football. But for so called Michigan fans to act like they are in this thread is an embarrassment to all the real fans of the Big Blue.

[t.j 35]

Funny, I hear it more from fans of other SEC teams on another board I go to.

Nice try though.

 

So because fans of Florida's conference rival fans say it too, that makes it not haterade? That makes no sense. What's your point? Other than your obvious obsession with breaking everything down by conference.

 

This topic isn't relevant to the main discussion here, but since it keeps being brought up, I honestly don't understand the complaints that Meyer is arrogant and whiny. Is it still because he lobbied to be in the national championship game? Wasn't he pretty much totally vindicated on that with their performance in the championship game?

[shovelheadt 71]

Since Woodey Hayes first year as coach (1951), the Buckeyes have averaged about 7.3 wins a year. Not much rebuilding there.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I agree with this. Seemed like Michigan opened their offense up A LOT more in this game than they did in any game I saw this year. They played well and it was nice to see Carr go out with a W.

 

The only embarrassing thing about that game is how these so called Michigan fans are coming on here acting. Michigan is a storied program, was pre-season top 5, and they feel so small that they have to come on here and act like this b/c of a 6 pt win over Florida. Talk about embarrassing.

 

I get the whole Sec/Big 10 thing. There's the one clown who comes on here and trashes the Big 10 every chance he gets. But this thread is laughable. The OP even goes as far as to call Florida fans, (fans of the defending national champions), fans of losers. How pathetic and embarrassing.

 

I have no dog in this fight either way. I thought it was a good and entertaining game on an otherwise disappointing New Year's Day for football. But for so called Michigan fans to act like they are in this thread is an embarrassment to all the real fans of the Big Blue.

 

Relax dude. Were you around last year at this time when the Florida fans wouldn't let up on Michigan, OSU, and all Big Ten teams? I was here to read it all. Now the tables are turned and I'm just getting a little sweet revenge.

 

Michigan fans have had very little to enjoy this year and the team obviously didn't deserve their preseason top 5 but I'm not going to just let this game go without a little trash talk. It's a forum board where trash talk is expected. And Florida fans deserve it.

 

Your holier than thou act is a bit much in this post. It's trash talk. Deal with it. I know I have.

 

Oh yeah and Florida fans were fans of losers yesterday. Losing game = Losers

[VaTerp 0]

Relax dude. Were you around last year at this time when the Florida fans wouldn't let up on Michigan, OSU, and all Big Ten teams? I was here to read it all. Now the tables are turned and I'm just getting a little sweet revenge.

 

Michigan fans have had very little to enjoy this year and the team obviously didn't deserve their preseason top 5 but I'm not going to just let this game go without a little trash talk. It's a forum board where trash talk is expected. And Florida fans deserve it.

 

Your holier than thou act is a bit much in this post. It's trash talk. Deal with it. I know I have.

 

Oh yeah and Florida fans were fans of losers yesterday. Losing game = Losers

 

Yeah I was around for all the Sec-Big 10 trash talking which is why I said I get the whole Sec-Big 10 thing. Im also all for trash talking and do it all the time. I just think that the way its been done in this thread is poor and makes Michigan fans look small. A lot of the trash talk from the SEC fans on this bored has been dumb too but I dont remember it being this bad.

 

So there's no "holier than thou act" here. Maybe I just have a higher standard for good trash talkin.

 

And yes, it its a forum board where I can offer my opinion. Deal with it. IMO you're attempt at trash talking makes you look like the LOSER.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I'm having a great time watching the team Rich Rodriquez built destroy Stoops and the Sooners. I'm looking forward to Michigan becoming relevant in the national race once again.....not just in the Big Ten.

 

I'm hoping Rich is watching this game with Terrelle Pryor right now while Pryor is signing his letter of intent to U of M. Damn, that would be sweet.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

So there's no "holier than thou act" here. Maybe I just have a higher standard for good trash talkin.

 

And yes, it its a forum board where I can offer my opinion. Deal with it. IMO you're attempt at trash talking makes you look like the LOSER.

 

Pulease.

 

Maybe you think a lot more of yourself than you should guy.

 

You're on a FF forum board. Check yourself.

[VaTerp 0]

Pulease.

 

Maybe you think a lot more of yourself than you should guy.

 

You're on a FF forum board. Check yourself.

 

Maybe you're just the loser you appear to be.

 

 

Back Atcha.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Maybe you're just the loser you appear to be.

 

 

Back Atcha.

 

Sure I am. I'm married, with kids, and I'm on a FF forum board at 12:00 am on a Thursday morning talking to you. Of course I'm a loser. And guess who's right here trading posts with me?

 

Like I said......check yourself.

 

 

sucks doesn't it?

[VaTerp 0]

Sure I am. I'm married, with kids, and I'm on a FF forum board at 12:00 am on a Thursday morning talking to you. Of course I'm a loser. And guess who's right here trading posts with me?

 

Like I said......check yourself.

sucks doesn't it?

 

Yeah, Im married w/ a kid on the way and Im sitting in my living room watching college football w/ my laptop. There are many different ways to qualify as a loser. And Im sure I qualify in more than one.

 

My reference to you as loser deals strictly with the BS in this thread. Trash talkin or not, makes you look small as a UM fan.

 

So, you can think whatever you want and tell me 10 more times that I need to check myself if it makes you feel better. You started a thread, I posted in it w/ my opinion. Thats how these message boards work right?

 

But, the wife is givin me that look and I think Im about to get some pregnant punany. Either that or she just wants me to rub her back before she falls asleep.

 

Peace.

 

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

But, the wife is givin me that look and I think Im about to get some pregnant punany. Either that or she just wants me to rub her back before she falls asleep.

 

Peace.

 

 

A final sad attempt for some small shred of cool-ness. Sorry dude, it's over.....check yourself

 

Soon your wife will try to talk you into a minivan. Deal with it brother. Your cool days are over. At least I talked my wife into a 4Runner instead of a Sienna.

 

You're free to your opinion while I'm free to trash talk Frank Sinatra style......My way b!tch.

[t.j 35]

Trash talk is just that... trash. But Jarvis seems to have forgotten where the trash talking really took off:

 

13 months ago, as soon as USC lost and knocked themselves out of the national championship picture, the debate shifted from Michigan vs USC, to Michigan vs Florida. Prior to that point, the Gators were not even getting serious consideration. Suddenly, Florida fans had to listen to endless amounts of propaganda that Michigan and OSU were clearly the best two teams in the country. Florida had no offense, Florida couldn't run the ball, Florida relied on gimmicks that wouldn't work against the likes of OSU, Florida didn't deserve to hold Ohio State's or Michigan's jocks, etc, etc, etc. What was really pathetic about it was that it wasn't even the Ohio State fans who were talking trash at Florida fans, it was a bunch of Michigan and Wisconsin whiners. What is it... are you guys so used to getting raped by Ohio State that you have to turn your trash-talking attention outside of the conference? Whatever the reason, you went out of your way to put your feet in your mouths.

 

4 months ago, when Michigan got off to a brutal start to the season, the entire college football community was making fun of the Big Ten. What did you expect? If USC or LSU had lost to a I-AA team, then the Pac 10 or SEC would have gotten just as much crap. I'm sure it was frustrating to listen to, but it was coming from media and fans from every conference, not just SEC fans.

 

Yet somehow it's Florida fans specifically that "deserve" to take a lot of shit.

 

Jarvis, if trash talking is just your nature, that's fine. Of course, you are pretty much completely talking out of your ass, but hey, at least you seem to be amusing yourself, good for you. Meanwhile I can only laugh at you for thinking that this year's version of the Wolverines beating this year's version of the Gators is an accomplishment that justifies so much celebration.

[Cuse9 129]

Sure, every great program is going to have a few elite-talent freshmen and/or sophomores who can elevate the team. Florida certainly does in Tebow and Harvin. But it's stupid to say that seniors rarely mean squat. Unless Meyer was just being "arrogant and whiny" when he credited last year's championship as being primarily the result of great senior leadership and play.

 

I would agree with you that juniors are generally as good as seniors because of the NFL drawing away seniors. But 8 starting freshmen and sophomores on the starting defense is way too many, any way you slice it. Especially when the team's most talented sophomores are on the offense. I love the defensive talent in Florida's 2007 recruiting class, but you cannot expect a lot from freshmen on the defensive side of the ball.

Ding ding: Long, Hart, Henne

 

And Moss, Nelson, Siler, Smith, ... oh wait, they already won their national championship so they went pro already.

Ding ding: You just described all of Florida's two defensive senior starters.

 

Of all the people I have got into debates/arguements/disagreements with....TJ, I do beleive you are the most fun. No name calling or throwing out bullchit. Just facts or opinions. I'm going to let this one rest now. Look forward to disagreeing in the future...lol!!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Trash talk is just that... trash. But Jarvis seems to have forgotten where the trash talking really took off:

 

13 months ago, as soon as USC lost and knocked themselves out of the national championship picture, the debate shifted from Michigan vs USC, to Michigan vs Florida. Prior to that point, the Gators were not even getting serious consideration. Suddenly, Florida fans had to listen to endless amounts of propaganda that Michigan and OSU were clearly the best two teams in the country. Florida had no offense, Florida couldn't run the ball, Florida relied on gimmicks that wouldn't work against the likes of OSU, Florida didn't deserve to hold Ohio State's or Michigan's jocks, etc, etc, etc. What was really pathetic about it was that it wasn't even the Ohio State fans who were talking trash at Florida fans, it was a bunch of Michigan and Wisconsin whiners. What is it... are you guys so used to getting raped by Ohio State that you have to turn your trash-talking attention outside of the conference? Whatever the reason, you went out of your way to put your feet in your mouths.

 

4 months ago, when Michigan got off to a brutal start to the season, the entire college football community was making fun of the Big Ten. What did you expect? If USC or LSU had lost to a I-AA team, then the Pac 10 or SEC would have gotten just as much crap. I'm sure it was frustrating to listen to, but it was coming from media and fans from every conference, not just SEC fans.

 

Yet somehow it's Florida fans specifically that "deserve" to take a lot of shit.

 

Jarvis, if trash talking is just your nature, that's fine. Of course, you are pretty much completely talking out of your ass, but hey, at least you seem to be amusing yourself, good for you. Meanwhile I can only laugh at you for thinking that this year's version of the Wolverines beating this year's version of the Gators is an accomplishment that justifies so much celebration.

 

 

I remember last year differently than you TJ. All I heard was SEC honks telling me over and over again how bad the Big Ten was and how supreme the SEC was. I didn't talk too much b/c Michigan was not playing Florida and they were not in the National Championship. I remember plenty of OSU fans chiming in and Florida fans but I don't remember you specifically. I do know Flahawker was a very busy dude and didn't hesitate to trash the Big Ten and Michigan.

 

I didn't try to justify Michigan this year and readily admit that the App St game was a total embarrassment.

 

If I talk out of my rear you are not too far behind. You've attempted to paint a picture for us of how Florida is rebuilding just b/c they lost seniors from last year's team. If Florida were in the national game and if they had won it this year we would be hearing the word "reload" instead of "rebuild" from you but they didn't so spin is needed. You are a Gator apologist so I guess I should expect it, but I don't believe it.

 

Expectations were high this year for Michigan with a #5 preseason AP ranking but they were equally as high for Florida with a #6 ranking in the AP. Both teams lost a lot of good starters from their 2006 teams, especially on defense, but expectations with recruiting are to be back in the top 10 the next year. Teams like Florida and Michigan are supposed to just reload. They both have better recruiting power than probably 95% of all other schools in the nation....maybe higher. And, as it's been stated in this thread, the difference between a preseason "inexperienced" underclassman and an "inexperienced" underclassman playing in a bowl game is massive. In other words, I don't buy into the inexperience argument.

 

I did shoot my mouth off too much in this thread but I don't really care. I'm having fun.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So because fans of Florida's conference rival fans say it too, that makes it not haterade? That makes no sense. What's your point? Other than your obvious obsession with breaking everything down by conference.

 

This topic isn't relevant to the main discussion here, but since it keeps being brought up, I honestly don't understand the complaints that Meyer is arrogant and whiny. Is it still because he lobbied to be in the national championship game? Wasn't he pretty much totally vindicated on that with their performance in the championship game?

 

When people accross the nation agree...it usually not just haterade.

 

Funny how people think someone is a hater if they don't like something or notice something about that team.

Criticize Belichick at all...Pats fans call you a hater.

Post what the perception of Urban is...call you a hater.

 

Yeah...Im the one just ripping a conference...

 

My point was simple...you claimed that the criticism of Meyer was as follows..."I guess it's a popular thing to say in Big Ten circles."

I simply posted that I don't find that to be the case.

 

That is part of it.

Was he vindicated? A bit...does that make his action any less whiny? Nope.

[VaTerp 0]

A final sad attempt for some small shred of cool-ness. Sorry dude, it's over.....check yourself

 

Soon your wife will try to talk you into a minivan. Deal with it brother. Your cool days are over. At least I talked my wife into a 4Runner instead of a Sienna.

 

You're free to your opinion while I'm free to trash talk Frank Sinatra style......My way b!tch.

 

Yeah, Im really trying to look cool by saying that Im going to have sex w/ my pregnant wife or give her a back rub.

 

Unlike you, I dont need to try and look cool on a message board. I just call things like I see em. Your trash talk is weak and I commented on it. For some reason you cant handle that.

 

So, you're the one that needs to check yourself cool guy.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Yeah, Im really trying to look cool by saying that Im going to have sex w/ my pregnant wife or give her a back rub.

 

Unlike you, I dont need to try and look cool on a message board. I just call things like I see em. Your trash talk is weak and I commented on it. For some reason you cant handle that.

 

So, you're the one that needs to check yourself cool guy.

 

Relax. I wasn't serious about any of it. I definitely don't take myself too seriously on this board or in real life.

 

I was just giving you a hard time since I've been where you are before.

[donhaas 18]

Badgers just pimp slapped Michigan in Ann Arbor last night...

 

70-54

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Badgers just pimp slapped Michigan in Ann Arbor last night...

 

70-54

 

Speaking of rebuilding, the Wolverines are always rebuilding in hoops. Just wait though. Wait until Beilein gets his Pittsnoggle part 2 and U of M will start to become significant nationally again. They need to spend some of the football money on the basketball team though if they want to bring in recruits. They've been very reluctant to spend on that sport.

[t.j 35]

That is part of it.

Was he vindicated? A bit...does that make his action any less whiny? Nope.

 

That's ridiculous. A. He was completely vindicated, and B. It was never whiny to begin with.

Also that doesn't explain where all the "arrogant" stuff comes from.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's ridiculous. A. He was completely vindicated, and B. It was never whiny to begin with.

Also that doesn't explain where all the "arrogant" stuff comes from.

 

You are like every other Florida fan I have met. Completely oblivious to any criticism of their team and almost take it personally.

 

Its pointless to argue with some of you.

 

[t.j 35]

I remember last year differently than you TJ. All I heard was SEC honks telling me over and over again how bad the Big Ten was and how supreme the SEC was. I didn't talk too much b/c Michigan was not playing Florida and they were not in the National Championship. I remember plenty of OSU fans chiming in and Florida fans but I don't remember you specifically. I do know Flahawker was a very busy dude and didn't hesitate to trash the Big Ten and Michigan.

 

FlaHawker? Come on dude, you're a fool if you take that guy as representative of anything. Have you followed his posts regarding the Seahawks and anyone the Seahawks play against?

 

Anyway I heard the same stuff except it was supposed to be Big Ten superiority. The Big Ten fans would sometimes admit that the SEC was the deeper conference, but their claim was always that the Big Ten was much stronger at the very top with OSU and Michigan. And then after the bowl games, instead of admitting they were wrong about the power at the top, they just shifted the argument to say the Big Ten was just as deep as the SEC.

 

If I talk out of my rear you are not too far behind. You've attempted to paint a picture for us of how Florida is rebuilding just b/c they lost seniors from last year's team. If Florida were in the national game and if they had won it this year we would be hearing the word "reload" instead of "rebuild" from you but they didn't so spin is needed. You are a Gator apologist so I guess I should expect it, but I don't believe it.

 

I'm not talking out of my rear. I am giving you damn good reasons for what I am saying.

"If" Florida had won it this year? Dude, if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. That's what I think of your "if". Florida did not have the players to contend for the national championship game this year, I said it back in the summer, the players proved it throughout the season, and then all of a sudden they get to a meager bowl game with a 9-3 record, not having played a lick of defense all year, and you go and act like your team scored 41 points against the '85 Bears. There's no revisionist history on my part, just a delusion on your part.

 

You seem completely fixated on the theory that all big programs have no reason to get better or worse based on their roster from one year to the next. That is a ridiculous argument. You are hiding behind a popular term ("reload") and refusing to think for yourself as to what is to be expected in the rare case when a team loses 9 starters on one side of the ball instead of the usual 5 or 6. What is to be expected in the rare case when a team starts 8 underclassmen on one side of the ballinstead of the usual 3 or 4.

 

Expectations were high this year for Michigan with a #5 preseason AP ranking but they were equally as high for Florida with a #6 ranking in the AP.

 

As I already explained to you, Florida was only up there because they were defending national champs. People gave them the token vote of respect but they weren't up there because they actually had the players to be a top 6 team. Michigan on the other hand, was the story of the offseason, bringing their three key seniors back for a national championship, having a home game against Ohio State on the schedule. They had way more junior and senior starters than most top teams. Think about it, as bad as Michigan finished last year and as strong as Florida finished last year, for Michigan to be ahead of Florida in the preseason polls tells you all you need to know. In terms of talent and experience, 2007 was supposed to be a down year for Florida in between stronger 2006 and 2008. In terms of talent and experience, 2007 was supposed to be an up year for Michigan. If you want to make such a big deal about the AP polls, ask yourself why Michigan was ranked so much higher in the preseason this year as opposed to last year? Ask yourself why Florida wasn't #1 in the preseason even though they finished the previous season #1?

 

And, as it's been stated in this thread, the difference between a preseason "inexperienced" underclassman and an "inexperienced" underclassman playing in a bowl game is massive.

 

That was an irrelevant statemente before, and it still is now. You're completely missing the point! Preseason underclassmen don't play against bowl-time underclassmen! Bowl-time underclassmen play against bowl-time upperclassmen! If you don't understand the difference between having upperclassmen instead of underclassmen, even at the end of the season, then you are just being obtuse. Don't pretend that upperclassmen aren't getting any better during the season, don't pretend that underclassmen suddenly catch up to them as the season goes on.

 

In other words, I don't buy into the inexperience argument.

 

Hell, you don't even understand it. Why would you bother to use your head? It would just disrupt your trash talking.

[t.j 35]

You are like every other Florida fan I have met. Completely oblivious to any criticism of their team and almost take it personally.

 

Its pointless to argue with some of you.

 

 

How am I taking it personally? I asked you a simple question and you gave me half an answer. I wasn't offended that you think Meyer is whiny based on having lobbied for the national championship, I just think it's a ridiculous reason to call him whiny, considering that A. it's his job to get his team into the national championship game, and B. he was right.

 

The other half of my question was simple, why all the Meyer is arrogant criticism? You've responded several times yet you still have not given an answer other than to say that other people agree. And I'm the one who is behaving as though pointless to argue with? You are constantly complaining about what the SEC fans have to say yet you act like you don't care about conference loyalty. You paint all Florida fans with a broad brush. You are constantly bringing up shit like the "SEC speed" argument in threads where the SEC side didn't even mention it! You even brought up Belichick as if that has anything to do with Meyer! You're a real piece of work. Go ahead, roll your eyes again... oh credible judge of who is pointless to argue with!

[patweisers44 846]

Speaking of rebuilding, the Wolverines are always rebuilding in hoops. Just wait though. Wait until Beilein gets his Pittsnoggle part 2 and U of M will start to become significant nationally again. They need to spend some of the football money on the basketball team though if they want to bring in recruits. They've been very reluctant to spend on that sport.

Yeah the boosters blew the basketball budget out on the Fab 5 and havent recovered since.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

FlaHawker? Come on dude, you're a fool if you take that guy as representative of anything. Have you followed his posts regarding the Seahawks and anyone the Seahawks play against?

 

Anyway I heard the same stuff except it was supposed to be Big Ten superiority. The Big Ten fans might admit from time to time that the SEC was the deeper conference, but their claim was always that the Big Ten was much stronger at the very top with OSU and Michigan. And then after the bowl games, instead of admitting they were wrong about the power at the top, they just shifted the argument to say the Big Ten was just as deep as the SEC.

I'm not talking out of my rear. I am giving you damn good reasons for what I am saying.

"If" Florida had won it this year? Dude, if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. Florida did not have the players to get back to the national championship game this year, I said it back in the summer, the players proved it throughout the season, and then all of a sudden they get to a meager bowl game with a 9-3 record and you Michigan fans act like you were playing against a 13-1 caliber team. There's no revisionist history on my part, just a delusion on your part.

 

You seem completely fixated on the theory that all big programs always "reload" and have no reason to get better or worse based on their roster from one year to the next. That is a ridiculous argument.

As I already explained to you, Florida was only up there because they were defending national champs. People gave them the token vote of respect but they weren't up there because they actually had the players to be a top 6 team. Michigan on the other hand, was the story of the offseason, bringing their three key seniors back for a national championship, having a home game against Ohio State on the schedule. They had way more junior and senior starters than most top teams. Think about it, as bad as Michigan finished last year and as strong as Florida finished last year, for Michigan to be ahead of Florida in the preseason polls tells you all you need to know. In terms of talent and experience, 2007 was supposed to be a down year for Florida in between stronger 2006 and 2008. In terms of talent and experience, 2007 was supposed to be an up year for Michigan. If you want to make such a big deal about the AP polls, ask yourself why Michigan was ranked so much higher in the preseason this year as opposed to last year? Ask yourself why Florida wasn't #1 in the preseason even though they finished the previous season #1?

That was an irrelevant statemente before, and it still is now. You're completely missing the point! Preseason underclassmen don't play against bowl-time underclassmen! Bowl-time underclassmen play against bowl-time upperclassmen! If you don't understand the difference between having upperclassmen instead of underclassmen, even at the end of the season, then you are just being obtuse. Don't pretend that upperclassmen aren't getting any better during the season, don't pretend that underclassmen suddenly catch up to them as the season goes on.

Hell, you don't even understand it. Why would you bother to use your head? It would just disrupt your trash talking.

 

 

Your put downs are not strengthening your opinions.

 

Florida lost so much that they never had a chance for the National Championship, meanwhile that's exactly what Ohio State has positioned themselves to do and they lost a lot as well from the previous year. It's all just excuses guy. At least I'm not making excuses for Michigan's let down of a year. When you are a nationally relevant program, you are expected to do it every year. Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma do it every year.

 

Ask Urban Meyer if Florida average season was due to it being a "rebuilding" year.

[pigskin21 0]

It's pointless to argue with me because I've heard Meyer called arrogant half a dozen times yet no one has explained why they call him arrogant?

It's pointless to argue with me because you guys called Meyer whiny for arguing something that he was proven right about?

 

 

Take it from someone who follows college ball pretty closely and doesnt care about UM or the Gators... Meyer IS arrogant. I remember his comments about how he only recruits the "top 1% of the 1% recruits with the best character"...Yet I've never seen a guy go after so many shady recruits and allow players back onto the team who have no business being there. He has this better than thou attitude... He made some classless comments after this same game you guys might have missed about his players, saying the ones that arent going to play hard will be done away with and that he didnt care who it was. Hes a sore loser, never gives credit when its due, and is constantly blaming losses on the players which great coaches never do. Take some responsibility, the playcalling tuesday was less than stellar.

 

I could really find myself cheering for the gators but there is that air of prentinousness. They werent classy winners and mocked OSU last year and were even beating their chests before this game. These same fans on here would've told you it would be a blowout before the game... But, now its nothing but excuses.

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Take it from someone who follows college ball pretty closely and doesnt care about UM or the Gators... Meyer IS arrogant. I remember his comments about how he only recruits the "top 1% of the 1% recruits with the best character"...Yet I've never seen a guy go after so many shady recruits and allow players back onto the team who have no business being there. He has this better than thou attitude... He made some classless comments after this same game you guys might have missed about his players, saying the ones that arent going to play hard will be done away with and that he didnt care who it was. Hes a sore loser, never gives credit when its due, and is constantly blaming losses on the players which great coaches never do. Take some responsibility, the playcalling tuesday was less than stellar.

 

Ok, thanks for answering.

I can see what you are saying about his comments on recruiting and making it sound like they have high standards that they don't actually practice.

 

As for his comments toward his players, I don't have a problem with it. Someone posted his comments about the players on another board. If you were right when you say he never gives credit where credit is due, then I might agree, but you're wrong about that. Over and over and over he gave the credit for last year's championship to the players. He holds his players accountable and praises them when they succeed. If there are players who aren't playing hard, then they should be done away with.

 

I think some people out there are only reading the quotes that get circulated around by those looking for something to criticize. I listen to his pre-game and post-game press-conferences all the time, and he strikes me as very thoughtful, very demanding of himself and others, and he is respectful of his opponents. Here is the very beginning of his postgame press conference:

 

"I want to congratulate Coach Carr and Michigan on a great win and that was a great college football game. We came up on the short end."

 

And here is Meyer summarizing the blame for the loss, including the coaching:

 

"I am very disappointed at some of our performance. We have some glaring errors that need to be corrected real fast, personnel-wise and coaching-wise."

 

Oh yeah, and Jarvis:

 

Ask Urban Meyer if Florida average season was due to it being a "rebuilding" year.

 

Here are Meyer's own words after the Michigan game:

 

"[We need] maturity. Last year we graduated a lot of players and sent a lot of players to the NFL. We thought we had some answers early in the season, and some of those young guys didn't live up to the standards we set. Our goal is to be the New England Patriots of college football."

 

Just like I told you before, he gave credit to leadership from the upperclassmen for the national championship last year, and he felt it was a significant flaw in this year's team.

 

Now pigskin21, back to the arrogance thing, I can see how comments like the New England Patriots comment come across as arrogant, same as you were saying about claiming to only recruit the top %1. I'll grant you that, I can see why you find him arrogant. I don't agree though about Meyer being a sore loser and never giving credit where credit is due, I think you're way off base there.

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I could really find myself cheering for the gators but there is that air of prentinousness. They werent classy winners and mocked OSU last year and were even beating their chests before this game. These same fans on here would've told you it would be a blowout before the game... But, now its nothing but excuses.

 

I think that is the landscape of college football these days. The players had to listen for 50 days about how they shouldn't even be in the national championship game, how they had no chance to win, they watched OSU celebrate that opening kick return TD as if they had already won the game, of course they were going to rub it in at the end. Do you know how many times a season some douchebag from the other team does the Gator chomp after making a play against Florida? Hell, a Michigan defender did it after a hard hit to tackle a Florida receiver who had just gained 20 yards to set up first and goal. The Gators played against Georgia this year and Mark Richt directed his entire team to come onto the field to celebrate a first-quarter touchdown even though it's a guaranteed penalty. Anyway I would like to see Florida players do less trash talking on the field, but I don't think that's realistic at the top college or pro levels these days.

You can say whatever you want about what was expected to happen in the Capital One Bowl, but my take on the '07 Gators now is the same as it was in the preseason. You want to talk about blowout predictions and excuses afterward... let's talk about Ohio State last year. It was the layoff, it was the gimmick offense, etc, etc.

[kpbuckeye 3]

I think that is the landscape of college football these days. The players had to listen for 50 days about how they didn't belong on the same field as Ohio State, how they had no chance to win, of course they are going to rub it in. Do you know how many times a season some douchebag from the other does the Gator chomp after making a play against Florida? Hell, a Michigan defender did it after a hard hit to tackle a Florida receiver who had just gained 20 yards to set up first and goal. The Gators played against Georgia this year and Mark Richt had his entire team come onto the field to celebrate a first-quarter touchdown. You can say whatever you want about what was expected to happen in the Capital One Bowl, but my take on the '07 Gators now is the same as it was in the preseason. You want to talk about blowout predictions and excuses afterward... let's talk about Ohio State last year. It was the layoff, it was the gimmick offense, etc, etc. I would like to see Florida players do less trash talking on the field, but I don't think that's realistic at the top college or pro levels these days.

 

uh, i never seen anybody making excuses last year for the Buckeyes. I sure as hell never heard 'gimmick offense' mentioned whcih tell me you are full of shiot. What does the Buckeyes loss last year have to do with Flordias loss this year? What are you a focking Pats fan now? get over it, we got over it. We didn't make piss poor excuses about losing guys when we lost the heisman winner and other top draft picks. Just showed up and played, no crying about anything, no talking shiot, nothing. Just as I said last year when every gator fan on the planet came out and made an arse of themself, 'act like you have been there before'.

[swirvenirvin 25]

Wait until Beilein gets his Pittsnoggle part 2 and U of M will start to become significant nationally again.

 

You mean the one year they had to forfeit all their wins?

[DankNuggs 305]

Cheers to you for keeping this going as long as you have. You have been spinning all day but the reality still is Michigan beat Florida in Florida. Your team are losers. They were overranked, overrated losers. And you are a fan of losers.

 

Enjoy.

Just another example of the SEC sackriding.

 

SEC gets too much credit.

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Just as I said last year when every gator fan on the planet came out and made an arse of themself, 'act like you have been there before'.

 

This is a very good point, the gators to me come off alot as poor winners and make excuses when they do lose (refs, cheating, weather, rebuilding year, etc.). The dont seem comfortable with success in the way other teams handle it. Its like they need to tell everyone else how great they are and pat there own backs. They really expect everyone else to adore them in this way too. This is were I get the pretentious thing from... Its certainly fine to expect to win when you take the field. Just dont make excuses if/when you lose, just say Michigan is a good team that outplayed us. Not the tirade of excuses that usually follow...

 

They are without a doubt the most media-touted 8-4 team I have ever seen... You would think they were in the BCS champ game (and might have been if you let the media pick em) and not a middle of the road SEC east team...

[Nichee 0]

Good job, Michigan! Way to punch an SEC heavyweight in the mouth.

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uh, i never seen anybody making excuses last year for the Buckeyes. I sure as hell never heard 'gimmick offense' mentioned whcih tell me you are full of shiot. What does the Buckeyes loss last year have to do with Flordias loss this year? What are you a focking Pats fan now? get over it, we got over it. We didn't make piss poor excuses about losing guys when we lost the heisman winner and other top draft picks. Just showed up and played, no crying about anything, no talking shiot, nothing. Just as I said last year when every gator fan on the planet came out and made an arse of themself, 'act like you have been there before'.

 

kp, I have respect for the way you conducted yourself after the game and if you'll recall I stood up for you when some other SEC fans were lumping you in with the unreasonable bunch.

 

I didn't hear the gimmick offense thing a lot, but I did hear it a few times. kraziness and Probert just recently were saying that they basically only lost because they aren't used to playing agianst that type of scheme. And you know as well as I do that the 50 day layoff excuse was made over and over and over again... not by yourself necessarily but by tons of OSU fans and by Tressel himself. Other than that, I think the OSU crowd handled it pretty well. I'm just illustrating the point to pigskin that there is some of that from fans of any team.

 

Just dont make excuses if/when you lose, just say Michigan is a good team that outplayed us. Not the tirade of excuses that usually follow...

 

That is what I said at the start of this thread. Michigan is the better team.

 

They are without a doubt the most media-touted 8-4 team I have ever seen... You would think they were in the BCS champ game (and might have been if you let the media pick em) and not a middle of the road SEC east team...

 

Yeah, if you listen to Jarvis and a bunch of these other Michigan fans... you would think they were in the BCS championship game. That's my whole point.

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You can keep saying that Florida was underprepared and overconfident all day long, but it is just talk with no merit. If you simply don't understand the disadvantage of having young, inexperienced players, then you just don't have a clue.

 

you have the ###### heisman on your team, a ton of talent, a good coach, and a home game. And you lost. it wasn't even as close as the score indicates. you lost, and it burns... burns deep... throw in us smacking you around 5 years ago and man that really sucks.

 

lloyd can't beat anyone except the SEC.