Rocky IV

[heavy-set 39]

the plot confsed me

[Yer mom 2]

Who won?

[Juggernauts 0]

the plot confsed me

 

 

The plot for Rocky IV is easy...Rocky fights the Russian, wins and brings down Communism. What's so hard about that?

[TheNewGirl 1,094]

You JUST saw this for the first time?

 

[wiffleball 4,696]

the plot confsed me

 

 

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

 

 

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

[Yer mom 2]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

 

 

All I saw was a couple guys boxing

[NorthernVike 2,081]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

 

This finally explains the rather dark skinned Italian baby in Rocky V

[patweisers44 712]

[russian accent]Whatever he hits.....he destroys!!![/russian accent]

[broussard 0]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

 

Man, that's beautiful.

[wiffleball 4,696]

Man, that's beautiful.

[GettnHuge 1]

IV

[jerryskids 5,461]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

Did you google this shiot or make it up on your own. Because if the latter, that is quite impressive.

[yostevo 0]

Did you google this shiot or make it up on your own. Because if the latter, that is quite impressive.

 

This was just off the top of his head. You should hear the long version.

[Big_Pete 0]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

he says "I must BREAK you"

Rocky 4 is my alltime favorite movie, I know every line of it. and they didn't both fall at the end, only Drago did. They both fell in Rocky II

[Rattlesnake 0]

You JUST saw this for the first time?

 

 

Exactly.

 

Hey, in case you haven't heard, Reagan won re-election.

[redtodd 7]

Muerte!!

[GettnHuge 1]

DDRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[donhaas 18]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

 

This is very good, wiffle....

 

Can you dissect "Roadhouse" while you're at it, too??

[Baby Jesus 0]

That's understandable. There's a lot of interestesting sub-text there that most people couldn't even discern. For example:

Rocky's failure to throw in the towel: Many saw this as Rocky simply complying with his friend's wishes. But that facile assumption misses the point. If you watch the 1st and 3rd movies, the Director points the viewer toward an underlying relationship between Apollo and Adrian. Paulie knows this - and that's why he had such disdain for Apollo. Rocky, deep down, came to this realization too, but faced with living a lie or losing both his wife and his best friend, he took the easy path. In Greek Tragedies, this is often the precursor to heart-rending pain and grief. Rocky didn't throw the towel not out of obedience, but out of seething rage and jealousy. That jealousy resulted in the death of his friend, the ongoing resentment of his Wife, and fueled his futile quest for redemption.

 

The "Soviet Guards"? Did you notice that not another character made reference to these ever-present watchers? Why was that? Because they did not exist anywhere but in the guilt-ridden heart of our hero. They were symbolic of the grief and shame that, no matter how many montages he ran through - Rocky could not evade.

 

Drago's wife: Did notice she only wore white? Powerful gesture on the part of the Director. While white is a symbol of purity in Western cultures, in Eastern Cultures, it is the color of death and mourning. Her stark features and ever-present white sillouette represent the ominpresence of death in everyday life.

 

The casting of James Brown was nothing less than genius. Who better to introduce the themes infidelity and spousal abuse running rampant throughout this tome? The fact that he did so while nubile young women in red white and blue danced around him was nothing short of an indictment of the hypocrisy found in American culture - and more importantly, within a conflicted Rocky Balboa.

 

Drago himself - Did you notice that while supposedly "married", not once did the Drago couple share one scintilla of affection? This was a sham marriage. Drago found no arousal in women. His completely shaven body - a practice common among homosexuals - was the Director's acknowledgement of this important character point. When Drago utters the now iconic "I must crush you", this was not a statement directed at Rocky. No, this is a statement that runs through Drago's mind day after day since he was a pubescent child in Minsk. "I must crush you" is his realization that in the stark Soviet Union, he must repress, nay - kill the passionate, dangerous urges he feels towards other heaving, sweating men. This is why Mrs. Drago dressed and acted so masculinely; She yearned for affection, yet knew he would never feel for her as she did toward him.

 

When both men fell in the end, it was classic Greek Theatre; Both men, spending montage after montage running from their baser instincts, their shame, their true selves. Both men were killers, both must suffer, both must fall.

 

Rocky IV will long be remembered with the classics. Kurosowa, Welles, Stallone.

 

A timeless Film Noir replete with despair,complexity, conflict and desire. A classic to be sure.

Early front-runner for best post of 2008.

[heavy-set 39]

Early front-runner for best post of 2008.

who started the thread?