2008 NFL Draft Weekend Team Thread: Kansas City Chiefs

[cmh6476 1,031]

Round 1, Pick 5 (5) - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

Round 1, Pick 15 (15) (From Lions) - Branden Albert, OG, Virginia

Round 2, Pick 4 (35) - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech

Round 3, Pick 10 (73) (From Broncos through Vikings) - Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas

Round 3, Pick 13 (76) (From Lions) - Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee

Round 3, Pick 19 (82) (From Vikings) - DaJuan Morgan, S, NC State

Round 4, Pick 6 (105) - Will Franklin, WR, Missouri

Round 5, Pick 5 (140) - Brandon Carr, CB, Grand Valley St

Round 6, Pick 4 (170) - Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson

Round 6, Pick 16 (182) (From Vikings) - Kevin Robinson, WR, Utah St

Round 7, Pick 3 (210) - Brian Johnston, DE, Gardner-Webb

Round 7, Pick 32 (239) (From Giants) - Mike Merritt, TE, Central Florida

 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker#tab:dt-by-team|team-kc

 

 

Let's hope this draft is as deep as everybody is saying it is, with the Chiefs having 13 freakin picks. And lets hope the Chiefs hit on at least a couple of those

[cmh6476 1,031]

I also didn't realize we had the rights to Mr. Irrelevant this year. God Bless you Lawrence Tynes

[The Next Generation 10]

Round 1, Pick 5 (5)

Round 1, Pick 17 (17) (From Minnesota)

Round 2, Pick 4 (35)

Round 3, Pick 3 (66)

Round 3, Pick 10 (73) (From Minnesota via Broncos)

Round 3, Pick 19 (82) (From Minnesota)

Round 4, Pick 6 (105)

Round 5, Pick 1 (136) (From Dolphins)

Round 5, Pick 5 (140)

Round 6, Pick 16 (182) (From Minnesota)

Round 6, Pick 21 (187) (From Buccaneers)

Round 7, Pick 3 (210)

Round 7, Pick 32 (239) (From Giants)

Mike, I think you are missing a pick from the Chiefs, you have them with 9 but I got 10 from the NFL draft website:

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker#tab:dt-by-team|team-kc

Plus then 3 adjustments now need to be made. They say the Chiefs and Vikes swapped 6ths in the trade, so I am assuming here they traded their original picks, and not the picks they picked up from other teams...

Let's hope this draft is as deep as everybody is saying it is, with the Chiefs having 13 freakin picks. And lets hope the Chiefs hit on at least a couple of those

 

It was the 182 and 187 picks that got swapped.

[cmh6476 1,031]

It was the 182 and 187 picks that got swapped.

 

 

thank you. The nfl draft site has it updated now as well.

 

And I guess we don't have mr. irrelevant, damn you supplemental picks

[Mike FF Today 732]

We have them with 10 (pre-Jared Allen trade) but will update the Vikings/Chiefs draft picks shortly. Fumbleweed will likely alter your thread or may start his own... it's up to him.

[cmh6476 1,031]

We have them with 10 (pre-Jared Allen trade) but will update the Vikings/Chiefs draft picks shortly. Fumbleweed will likely alter your thread or may start his own... it's up to him.

yeah its not a problem. I searched for the threads from last year, and this is how they were setup, but I'm fine with however you want to do it. Hopefully they'll have the cameras covering the Chiefs war room this year, since they have so many early picks.

 

[Fumbleweed 547]

We have them with 10 (pre-Jared Allen trade) but will update the Vikings/Chiefs draft picks shortly. Fumbleweed will likely alter your thread or may start his own... it's up to him.

 

Heck no. Chad starting a thread means one less thread I've got to create. If other people wish to start a thread for their teams using the same format, I'm all for it. If no one has done that by tomorrow, I'll create the rest of the threads then.

 

In other words, chad, thanks for getting the process started!!

[cmh6476 1,031]

Team Needs:

 

O-Line:

 

It's no secret the Chiefs have much to be desired on the O-Line. Basically penciled in at starter are LG Bryan Waters, OT Damien McIntosh, and C Rudy Niswanger. Waters is the only one you really don't have to worry about. The team would like to find a LT in the draft, and then move McIntosh to RT. Niswanger appears to be the leading candidate at Center with the departure of Weigmann. The Chiefs would like two land an OT and OG who could come in and start right away. Competition remains with T Will Svitek and G Herb Taylor. Some no-name additions have been added via free agency as well.

 

D-Line:

 

With the departure of Allen, the draft picks look nice but questions open up along the defensive front as well. DE Tamba Hali and DT Alphonso Boone return and will start. We didn't see much out of first day picks from a year ago Tank Tyler and Turk McBride. They will both compete for a starting job. A gaping hole remains at DE with the departure of Allen and primary backup Jimmy Wilkerson both leaving town. The Chiefs will look to add at least one person that can come in and start from day 1 on the DL.

 

CB:

 

Another position with much left to be desired. Pat Surtain returns from last year, but his skills are diminishing. Ty Law is gone, and the only players that remain got nominal time at the position last year and still have a lot left to prove. ideally, the Chiefs again are looking at a position where they hope to land a player that can come in and start right away. It would be nice to find 2 guys, but likely you'll have Surtain or guys like Tyrone Brackenridge or Dmitri Patterson fighting for the other starting gig.

 

WR:

 

Looking for a player that will be able to step-up and start opposite Bowe, giving the Chiefs another threat through the air. Signed Devard Darling in the off-season, and he will likely compete for a starting job. Jeff Webb also returns, but the Chiefs will also look to land a playmaker at wideout.

 

LB:

 

The Chiefs appear set here as far as starters go with Derrick Johnson, Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris and recently signed Demarrio Williams. There appears to be a lot of depth at the position in this draft, and Edwards isn't going to be around much longer and Harris and Williams really haven't established themselves as solid players at the pro level. The Chiefs could look to the future in picking a player here.

 

QB:

 

The Chiefs appear ready to move forward with Croyle, but the reality is the guy still hasn't won a game in the NFL. And with Tyler Thigpen as the backup, the Chiefs will likely try and and land at least a prospect.

 

PK:

 

John Karney, Billy Cundiff, and Nick Novak are all on the roster, but that isn't saying much.

 

S:

 

Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page have both shown flashes, but remain inconsistent. The thing these guys have going for them is at least they're still young.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey, at least we're set at punter and have him locked up long-term

[worm 36]

cmh, could you see them trading up a couple spots from 17 if it looks like they'll miss the run on OL? Or will they sit tight and take BPA (Harvey?) and address the OL later?

 

Edit: This is assuming they don't take OL at 5.

[cmh6476 1,031]

cmh, could you see them trading up a couple spots from 17 if it looks like they'll miss the run on OL? Or will they sit tight and take BPA (Harvey?) and address the OL later?

it appears there's a lot of talent at the position. I suppose its a possibility, but it appears there may even be someone there with their 2nd rd pick that could help them right away. McIntosh did play LT last year, and while he isn't really all that great, a guy with lesser talent could be drafted to start at RT while McIntosh stays on the left side.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

it appears there's a lot of talent at the position. I suppose its a possibility, but it appears there may even be someone there with their 2nd rd pick that could help them right away. McIntosh did play LT last year, and while he isn't really all that great, a guy with lesser talent could be drafted to start at RT while McIntosh stays on the left side.

 

Could you see them going OL - OL with their two first rounders?

[cmh6476 1,031]

Could you see them going OL - OL with their two first rounders?

 

 

possily, but probably not. The Chiefs have signed a few OL FAs off the scrapheap.

 

I mean in theory we could start LT McIntosh, LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Herb Taylor, RT Will Svitek, with those scrapheap guys vying for backup jobs. That would be awful, but they could do it.

 

One OT signing in Rd 1, and then it would be something like LT (Otah/ Cherilus/ Williams), LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Svitek/ Taylor, RT McIntosh

 

More realistically, I could see them landing a Guard like Rachal or Eric Young later in the draft, giving them something that looks like this:

 

LT (Otah/ Cherilus/ Williams), LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Rachal/ Young, RT McIntosh

 

I also don't think they go 2 OL in Rd 1 because McIntosh is a OT, and you don't draft a guy to play Guard in Rd. 1

[cmh6476 1,031]

this is the time for the Chiefs to make up ground on the rest of the West.

 

Out of the top 105 picks:

 

 

Chiefs have 7

 

Oakland has 2 (4 and 104)

 

Denver has 2 (12 and 48)

 

and SD has 1 (27)

 

[cmh6476 1,031]

can we make this one an announcement, since the Chiefs dwarf all other teams in number of picks?

[ed_jones 0]

I just want to give you KC fans all the props in the world. As I look around at all the draft weekend threads here at fftoday, this is the only one with more than 2 responses so far. I know I'm a Cowboy's fan and for some reason around here everyone hates us, but I wanted to stop in and say way to go to you guys and good luck to KC for the draft and their upcoming year.

[cavern 70]

possily, but probably not. The Chiefs have signed a few OL FAs off the scrapheap.

 

I mean in theory we could start LT McIntosh, LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Herb Taylor, RT Will Svitek, with those scrapheap guys vying for backup jobs. That would be awful, but they could do it.

 

One OT signing in Rd 1, and then it would be something like LT (Otah/ Cherilus/ Williams), LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Svitek/ Taylor, RT McIntosh

 

More realistically, I could see them landing a Guard like Rachal or Eric Young later in the draft, giving them something that looks like this:

 

LT (Otah/ Cherilus/ Williams), LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Rachal/ Young, RT McIntosh

 

I also don't think they go 2 OL in Rd 1 because McIntosh is a OT, and you don't draft a guy to play Guard in Rd. 1

 

uva fan and larry johnson (dynasty) owner here. just curious why branden albert, OL, uva isn't on your radar? i feel the chiefs could pick him at 5....

[cmh6476 1,031]

uva fan and larry johnson (dynasty) owner here. just curious why branden albert, OL, uva isn't on your radar? i feel the chiefs could pick him at 5....

because i think there are better players available at other positions at 5

[cavern 70]

because i think there are better players available at other positions at 5

 

could be. but i do think they have him very highly rated on their board - i think they might go de now, but i think albert should at least be on your radar, jmho

[ETSDAD 0]

I think the Chiefs list for the #5 pick is Dorsey, Chris Long, maybe Ellis --- trade down 2 or 3 spots --- Ghoulston, Albert, Clady. I suppose they could roll the dice with Ryan at 5, but that just isn't Carl's style. He wants to get back to respectability quick, and building the lines is the way to do that.

 

I think it's very realistic they trade up a few spots from 17 to secure one of the OT's expected to go early/mid teens if they went defense at 5.

 

My best case scenario is Chris Long and Chris Williams without trading any picks. If they got Chris Long and Albert while trading a 3rd, I'd be ok with that too.

[9-Route 0]

because i think there are better players available at other positions at 5

 

i disagree here. albert is in my top4 players overall in this draft.

 

he is very athletic, tall, strong, and agile. his has long legs, quick feet, and impeccable hand placement. his film is excellent, showing all the skills to block both inline, on the edge, and especially downfield. he is very walter jones-esque in his footwork, and i think with more strength, could approach willie roaf as far as strength/quickness combination traits.

 

again, to me, this is the best left tackle in this draft, not jake long. yes, they have other needs, but getting this guy next to waters make an all-pro left side again and gives your main weapon, LJ, something to get his job done. with the multiple 3s, they can move up into the 2nd rd and target a guard/o-lineman they like that has slipped (rachal/schuenning/baker/zuttah/cherilus).

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

You wanna trade up to 11?

 

[GobbleDog 997]

Can't help but feel sorry for Chief fans. Hey, at least Kansas won the NCAA! There's a feather in yer cap.

[cmh6476 1,031]

Can't help but feel sorry for Chief fans. Hey, at least Kansas won the NCAA! There's a feather in yer cap.

yeah but half the Chiefs fans (including Mike) are Mizzou fans

 

We're optimistic though. What other team has 13 picks in this draft? We get to make 6 selections this weekend before the Raiders even pick their 2nd player. Herm said he hopes to draft at least 5 starters from this draft. We're going to look a lot different then last year, and the prospects are very encouraging for what lies ahead.

[GobbleDog 997]

Herm said he hopes to draft at least 5 starters from this draft.

 

How's your confidence in Herm Edwards making those draft decisions? What's his reputation for evaluating talent?

[cmh6476 1,031]

How's your confidence in Herm Edwards making those draft decisions? What's his reputation for evaluating talent?

 

 

They've been doing better than they had in the past. It's really going to be make or break for the Chiefs with their entire future pretty much riding on this draft. They miss on these guys and it spells disaster, they hit on 3 or so of these players and they could immediately have the franchise moving forward in the right direction.

[GobbleDog 997]

They've been doing better than they had in the past. It's really going to be make or break for the Chiefs with their entire future pretty much riding on this draft. They miss on these guys and it spells disaster, they hit on 3 or so of these players and they could immediately have the franchise moving forward in the right direction.

 

Translation - "Not good."

[cmh6476 1,031]

Translation - "Not good."

 

 

I'm not saying that at all:

 

Dwayne Bowe

Jared Allen

Tamba Hali

Derrick Johnson

Dustin Colquitt

Larry Johnson

Kawika Mitchell

Kolby Smith

Bernard Pollard

Jarrad Page

 

 

and guys like Allen, Smith, Page and Pollard were guys that they took later on that have probably exceeded expectations, at least with playing time if not performance.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Chiefs are screwed at #5. Unless they really like Gholston. I haven't heard much about him going there though.

 

Who would they trade down with?

 

iF it goes.

 

Miami- Jake Long

St. Louis- Chris Long

Atlanta- Dorsey

Oakland- McFadden

Chiefs- ??? I doubt the Ravens would trade up to get Ryan because I doubt the Jets would take Ryan. If Gholston is there, which he should be, the Jets will take him.

[cmh6476 1,031]

Chiefs are screwed at #5. Unless they really like Gholston. I haven't heard much about him going there though.

 

Who would they trade down with?

 

iF it goes.

 

Miami- Jake Long

St. Louis- Chris Long

Atlanta- Dorsey

Oakland- McFadden

Chiefs- ??? I doubt the Ravens would trade up to get Ryan because I doubt the Jets would take Ryan. If Gholston is there, which he should be, the Jets will take him.

 

they could go DT as well, Turk McBride also played DE in college and could make the transition to the outside.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

they could go DT as well, Turk McBride also played DE in college and could make the transition to the outside.

 

Yea they could take Ellis.

 

In that situation what do you think they do?

 

Are they definatly not taking Ryan?

[cmh6476 1,031]

Yea they could take Ellis.

 

In that situation what do you think they do?

 

Are they definatly not taking Ryan?

they might, I don't know. It's really all up in the air. You can;t really get a feel of what direction they may lean, because no one wants to tip their hand. I think it's safe to say it will either be OL, DL or Ryan

[Freakcat 0]

they might, I don't know. It's really all up in the air. You can;t really get a feel of what direction they may lean, because no one wants to tip their hand. I think it's safe to say it will either be OL, DL or Ryan

 

It's Carl Peterson man, we're getting a TE at #5!!!!! Maybe a hybrid TE like Kris Wilson since that panned out so well. I'd like to see them get a tackle at #5, I think it may be high for any of them but they don't have the luxury of drafting wants, they have too many needs. Then I'd like to see them get Mike Jenkins at #17. Pull a QB in the 2nd and get Jordy Nelson in the 3rd for our #2 WR.

 

However, if by some chance Long falls to #5 you grab him, but don't think that will happen.

[cblue 0]

Team Needs:

 

O-Line:

 

It's no secret the Chiefs have much to be desired on the O-Line. Basically penciled in at starter are LG Bryan Waters, OT Damien McIntosh, and C Rudy Niswanger. Waters is the only one you really don't have to worry about. The team would like to find a LT in the draft, and then move McIntosh to RT. Niswanger appears to be the leading candidate at Center with the departure of Weigmann. The Chiefs would like two land an OT and OG who could come in and start right away. Competition remains with T Will Svitek and G Herb Taylor. Some no-name additions have been added via free agency as well.

 

D-Line:

 

With the departure of Allen, the draft picks look nice but questions open up along the defensive front as well. DE Tamba Hali and DT Alphonso Boone return and will start. We didn't see much out of first day picks from a year ago Tank Tyler and Turk McBride. They will both compete for a starting job. A gaping hole remains at DE with the departure of Allen and primary backup Jimmy Wilkerson both leaving town. The Chiefs will look to add at least one person that can come in and start from day 1 on the DL.

 

CB:

 

Another position with much left to be desired. Pat Surtain returns from last year, but his skills are diminishing. Ty Law is gone, and the only players that remain got nominal time at the position last year and still have a lot left to prove. ideally, the Chiefs again are looking at a position where they hope to land a player that can come in and start right away. It would be nice to find 2 guys, but likely you'll have Surtain or guys like Tyrone Brackenridge or Dmitri Patterson fighting for the other starting gig.

 

WR:

 

Looking for a player that will be able to step-up and start opposite Bowe, giving the Chiefs another threat through the air. Signed Devard Darling in the off-season, and he will likely compete for a starting job. Jeff Webb also returns, but the Chiefs will also look to land a playmaker at wideout.

 

LB:

 

The Chiefs appear set here as far as starters go with Derrick Johnson, Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris and recently signed Demarrio Williams. There appears to be a lot of depth at the position in this draft, and Edwards isn't going to be around much longer and Harris and Williams really haven't established themselves as solid players at the pro level. The Chiefs could look to the future in picking a player here.

 

QB:

 

The Chiefs appear ready to move forward with Croyle, but the reality is the guy still hasn't won a game in the NFL. And with Tyler Thigpen as the backup, the Chiefs will likely try and and land at least a prospect.

 

PK:

 

John Karney, Billy Cundiff, and Nick Novak are all on the roster, but that isn't saying much.

 

S:

 

Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page have both shown flashes, but remain inconsistent. The thing these guys have going for them is at least they're still young.

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Hey, at least we're set at punter and have him locked up long-term

 

 

Don't forget, they need a good RB too.

[onejayhawk 3]

Here is my KC first day.

 

Obviously there could be a number of sliders that they would grab if available.

 

5. Chris Long

17. Chris Williams

35. Justin King

66. John Carlson

73. Jordan Dizon

82. John David Booty.

 

I tried to stay with the Chiefs value based, conservative approach here. Trading up from #17 for a CB, Clady or Albert remain very possible. Other names I think possible: Andre Woodson, Matt Forté, Early Doucet, Eddie Royal and Andre Caldwell, Oneil Cousins and Duane Brown, Bryan Kehl and Tavaris Gooden, Trevor Laws and Pat Sims, Patrick Lee, Chervis Jackson.

 

The biggest wish would be for Chilo Rachel to slide far enough for them to take him at 66. If they land Williams or Clady, I suspect that they will take the rest of the OL picks on day 2, since both OTs, LG and C will be set. While Tank and Turk did not set the world on fire, they were decent for rookies. I would pencil both as starters, one inside and one out. With a year together, the front 7 will be decent, possibly improved, even without JA's push on the edge.

 

Camp will be crowded.

 

J

[ETSDAD 0]

Here's my best case first three rounds:

 

5: Chris Long

17: Chris Williams

35: James Hardy

66: Chilo Rachal

73: Pat Sims/Dre Moore

82: Tyvon Branch

[cmh6476 1,031]

Here's my best case first three rounds:

 

5: Chris Long

17: Chris Williams

35: James Hardy

66: Chilo Rachal

73: Pat Sims/Dre Moore

82: Tyvon Branch

 

 

:thatsgood:

 

Our corners would likely be the weakest link then going into '09. We would have addressed the O and D Lines, and our WRs would be legitimate threats with Bowe, Darling and Hardy.

[cmh6476 1,031]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8071942...39;s-mock-draft

 

 

Jay Glazer reporting the Chiefs are wanting to trade down, to load up with enough ammo to land 3 first round picks and secure an OL, DL, and CB in the 1st round. Would be very nice to land an Albert/ Harvey/ McElvin type trio...

[ETSDAD 0]

:thatsgood:

 

Our corners would likely be the weakest link then going into '09. We would have addressed the O and D Lines, and our WRs would be legitimate threats with Bowe, Darling and Hardy.

 

No question corner would be weak, but we're not going to be able to cover all the holes with quality this year. Let's get the OLine on the right track, and get best available talent everywhere else.

[ETSDAD 0]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8071942...39;s-mock-draft

Jay Glazer reporting the Chiefs are wanting to trade down, to load up with enough ammo to land 3 first round picks and secure an OL, DL, and CB in the 1st round. Would be very nice to land an Albert/ Harvey/ McElvin type trio...

 

I can't imagine they'd get high enough with the third 1st rounder to get a trio that good. I'd think they'd be hoping a guy like Talib fell far enough to get in the late 20's. Perhaps a Cason or Calais Campbell? I'd prefer they just stay at 35 and get what they're looking for there.

[cmh6476 1,031]

D-Line:

 

With the departure of Allen, the draft picks look nice but questions open up along the defensive front as well. DE Tamba Hali and DT Alphonso Boone return and will start. We didn't see much out of first day picks from a year ago Tank Tyler and Turk McBride. They will both compete for a starting job. A gaping hole remains at DE with the departure of Allen and primary backup Jimmy Wilkerson both leaving town. The Chiefs will look to add at least one person that can come in and start from day 1 on the DL.

 

Addition of Dorsey changes the face of the D-Line instantaneously, probablu now once again the strength of the defense. Dorsey can provide some push up front and fits well with the cover-2 scheme the Chiefs use, which relies on production from your tackles.

 

Projected starters would now be DE Turk McBride, DT Glenn Dorsey, DT Alphonso Boone, and DE Tamba Hali. Rotation guys include DT Tank Tyler, DT Ron Edwards, but still lacking as far as depth at DE. Team needs moving forward IMO would be:

 

1. OT

2. CB

3. WR

4. OG

5. DE

6. QB